If you had cancer...
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Doh! We have another one.
Vaccinations have saved more lives than you could even imagine, in fact probably yours too in a very direct way.
Chemo is not a cure, but its definitely not ineffective.
Science rocks!!!
Yes!!!
That's the case. Lifetime customer value...
You really are an idiot.
Even following this stupid logic:
Lifetime customer value would be MUCH higher for any 0, 10, 20, 30, 50,60,. 70 year old we can save from cancer instead of him dying a horrible, miserable death.
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Chemo usually kills people faster than the cancer. Which makes sense, it's horribly toxic and can cause cancer itself.
No need to get your feels involved.
whatever does not take care about the root of the problem is just a remedy for the symptom not the desease itself.
what is the root reason why cancer happens?
#sciencerocks
what is the root reason why cancer happens?
#sciencerocks
It would really depend on the type and aggressiveness of the cancer. If all of a sudden they said I had stage 4 pancreatic cancer, I probably would opt for B. Try to get as many things done with the time I had left. No reason to spend your last couple months hooked up to shit in the hospital when you're 99.9% not going to survive it. Enjoy the time you have. Get your affairs in order and then die at home with your family & friends.
If it was colon cancer or prostate cancer etc. that they caught early enough, then hell yes I'm going to do chemo & radiation. Sure you're going to be down for a while, but you can come back from that shit.
Examples: Wife's brother. Diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at age 46. Didn't even have time to start chemo & radiation because it had spread so fast and he had complications that prevented him from starting treatment. Died 5 months later.
Wife's sister. Diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma (rare blood cancer). It can't be cured but you can get a few more years if treatment works. She did multiple rounds of chemo, radiation. They couldn't stop it from spreading, she died 10 months after being diagnosed. Age 45. My wife's sister & brother died within a year of each other in 2009. Now that's a shitty year.
My aunt diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer. Non-smoker. Said she had a year to live. She lived 5 years after doing chemo, radiation several times, and had a good 5 years. She was 68 when she died.
If it was colon cancer or prostate cancer etc. that they caught early enough, then hell yes I'm going to do chemo & radiation. Sure you're going to be down for a while, but you can come back from that shit.
Examples: Wife's brother. Diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at age 46. Didn't even have time to start chemo & radiation because it had spread so fast and he had complications that prevented him from starting treatment. Died 5 months later.
Wife's sister. Diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma (rare blood cancer). It can't be cured but you can get a few more years if treatment works. She did multiple rounds of chemo, radiation. They couldn't stop it from spreading, she died 10 months after being diagnosed. Age 45. My wife's sister & brother died within a year of each other in 2009. Now that's a shitty year.
My aunt diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer. Non-smoker. Said she had a year to live. She lived 5 years after doing chemo, radiation several times, and had a good 5 years. She was 68 when she died.
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You'd do well to follow your own advice here. Unless, that is, you can share some actual evidence supporting your claim that "chemo kills people faster than the cancer".
That is bullshit in the way you mean it. Chemo is often the last chance but also for some kind of cancers the best choice because other therapy's will fail with a higher chance and the lost time will decrease the chances of heal by chemo dramatical. Or, like often happens by different kind of leukemia the ways to heal need a fitting bone marrow donor. You are often at a point where more waiting and searching will decrease the chance to heal and you have to make a decision like "2 weeks to go until no point of return. Should we believe in our luck or start chemo?". You never want that happen to you or someone you love. Never. Ever.
It IS horrible and toxic. But for alot cancers its the only way and without it you are without any noticable chance. Alot of the nastier cancers have a near 100% kill rate. And they don't kill in a nice way.
Perhaps you guys should spend a weekend and go to the next child hospital focused on child cancer. There you can watch alot children under chemo because that is for many cancers childs become (mostly bone cancer & leukemia) the only working therapy. And there you can count how much will survive with chemo, without or with some special vitamin C.
The disgusting point about this thread is that is makes the impression its about "opinions". Thats fucking wrong. Its a simple body count. Go in that hospital and make a list. Enough people and parents will decide against chemo and try other things.
You do not need an opinion about chemo. You need a Pen and a piece of paper. Count the dead and the one alive, it is that simple.
You guys simply underestimate that often the question is not chemo or an alternative. In most cases it is die or chemo. Sure, for many cancers you can try your luck first with something different but normally, if the doctor and the cancer puts the chemo on the table it is there not without a reason.
Alot cancers are today possible to heal without chemo. Its not like 20 years ago, where chemo WAS nearly a death sentence and only a few cancers was possible to heal.
We have here in germany btw right now an example:
German ex-foreign minister Guido Westerwelle has leukemia | News | DW.DE | 20.06.2014
He has an "akut leukemia" or what its called. That most heavy kind of leukemia develops in weeks and kill you in weeks. In cases like him there
is only chemo or you are dead. They moved him instantly in hospital and started in the same night the chemo. Because that cancer is that aggressive that even days and hours can matter. The healing chances are high but of course will the chemo have an impact. Whatever it is - the alternative was dead in weeks.
Go and READ at last about it and how significant it can increase the chances to survive. Chemotherapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Root --> Cells.
Not sure it was god trying some of his less great ideas or its just evolution.
But the fact is, that cancer is found on every human civilization and at any time where we have enough bones from.
And of course animals can become cancer too. They have cells like us for some strange reason.
Most more complex animals like mamals or birds can become cancer. When i remember right they found dinosaurs bones showing cancer marks.
But i am sure you would be surprised about this poor victim:
Sharks Do Get Cancer: Tumor Found in Great White : Discovery News
The root of the problem is of course an interesting question...
Not sure which special life style problem white sharks suffers which increase his chance to become cancer.
Perhaps its a mental problem, not sure how good he is aligned with nature and the power of life. Karma can be also a problem.
But perhaps its just to much red meat like some more food focused health fanatics say.
Which will make cancer protection for that poor great sharks of course not easier...
I mean can you imagine that massive bloating problem when he complete skips meat and changes to seaweed only?
Beside the massive mental pressure eating next to the sea cows which for sure laughing their ass off watching that.
Well, had to write that 
Of course is the root of increasing cancers in our times known - its the pollution of carcinogenic matter. In food and water but also in the things we use.
Plastic is based on softener and nearly all are carcinogenic in some way.
Cancer is a natural and some kind of "malfunction" of what we know as complex cellular life. But there is not that one trigger as there is not that one cancer. In fact cancer
is the name of a group of diseases invoked by cell malfunctions or uncontrolled cell growth.
Also, have in mind that electromagnetic radiation is a pretty common trigger for cancer and that is somewhat strange when you assume that evolution had to deal with it since the first higher animals appeared.
If i should guess then this all is a sign we have here some kind of a deeper "problem". Where problem is perhaps the wrong word. If we follow the basics of evolution then we had at last never a real pressure on a population by cancer. The other basic thought is, that cancer is somewhat an imperfect side effect of the design "life on earth" using a cell. Humankind simply don't know enough about cells and how they really works in details. No wonder when you remember that the DNA was described just one generation before us. My grandma is 94 and she has some old german school books. There DNA and all was simply not known. It all happened in here lifetime.
Of course is the root of increasing cancers in our times known - its the pollution of carcinogenic matter. In food and water but also in the things we use.
Plastic is based on softener and nearly all are carcinogenic in some way.
Cancer is a natural and some kind of "malfunction" of what we know as complex cellular life. But there is not that one trigger as there is not that one cancer. In fact cancer
is the name of a group of diseases invoked by cell malfunctions or uncontrolled cell growth.
Also, have in mind that electromagnetic radiation is a pretty common trigger for cancer and that is somewhat strange when you assume that evolution had to deal with it since the first higher animals appeared.
If i should guess then this all is a sign we have here some kind of a deeper "problem". Where problem is perhaps the wrong word. If we follow the basics of evolution then we had at last never a real pressure on a population by cancer. The other basic thought is, that cancer is somewhat an imperfect side effect of the design "life on earth" using a cell. Humankind simply don't know enough about cells and how they really works in details. No wonder when you remember that the DNA was described just one generation before us. My grandma is 94 and she has some old german school books. There DNA and all was simply not known. It all happened in here lifetime.
That's not correct at all. Go and talk to a group of Oncologists who will give you some proper insight into it.
Now where I think chemo can be taken off the table is if the cancer is too far along and chemo can just prolong life for a short time, but at what cost to the comfort of the patient? In this case I would agree with a course of some heavy duty happy drugs and allow them to live their last days with some dignity and peace. But its human nature to want to try to live, so is generally not the route taken. Each to his own.
Wow, from a willful misunderstanding of cancer and its treatments to vaccine conspiracy theories in less than a single page.
Bravo, bravo.
He should have checked the packaging to see if that seal was grass-fed and locally sourced.
Silly shark.
Bravo, bravo.
He should have checked the packaging to see if that seal was grass-fed and locally sourced.
Silly shark.
Way to read the thread.
Cancer has been around since the dawn of our civilization (and way before) and can be found in almost every other animal on the planet.
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