Internment Camps here we come!

Moxie said:
The dynamics of the US were much different back around WWII times. Even before Pearl Harbor, average American views toward the Japanese weren't very comparable to anything today.

Just look at how controversial Guantanomo Bay is, and then consider that those are a few hundred foreign born prisoners said to be suspected of being terrorists. Imagine how much more controversial it would be if instead the prisoners were US citizens from the Tea Party, Occupy Wall Street, or whatever.

Homosexuals, Muslims, and atheists are three groups that are currently somewhat looked down upon in the US, according to polls, but overall they are still more integrated and accepted than the Japanese and others used to be.

Some people believe Dick Cheney to be a member of the Illuminati or whatever. Well, his daughter is lesbian, he has Muslim "friends" from the oil industry (some who might live and work in the US), and I'm sure he has had a few atheist acquaintances.

If we looked closely at Obama and congress, we would find many similar and closer connections such as these to a diverse range of groups. It wasn't like this with FDR and congress in relation to Japanese Americans.
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So you've somewhat affirmed how realistic this is by referencing Guatanomo Bay. Controversial, sure. Reality, yes.

And yeah, I'm amiable to Flaw3d in public and on Skype, but I still hate his messican ass, just because he wears these:

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You ultimately have said nothing but dismiss the present by using the very real internment of US Citizens in the past as a way of saying it won't happen again. And then alluded to people's public masks as if they truly give any insight into their internal worldviews and conditions.

While you make solid points about people's feelings towards groups like Muslims (which I'm not sure you are accurate on there), homosexuals, coners, and atheists, we know that they aren't the targets of this. You were a lot closer when you started talking about Tea Parties and Occupy movements. We talmbout political dissidents, not faggots and heathens.
 


I'm just gonna leave this here for all you pre-criminals...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfkZ1yri26s]Leaked Document: Military Internment Camps in U.S to be Used for Political Dissidents - YouTube[/ame]
 
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thehobbster said:
You ultimately have said nothing but dismiss the present by using the very real internment of US Citizens in the past as a way of saying it won't happen again.
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Comparing and contrasting the present with the past isn't necessarily an outright dismissal of the possibility of something or other happening.

While you make solid points about people's feelings towards groups like Muslims (which I'm not sure you are accurate on there),
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I'm sure many Americans wouldn't mind if all Muslims were sent to camps, but in 1942 there wasn't a Japanese American Congressman or Miss USA. There wasn't a Japanese American Dr. Oz, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Casey Kasem, Ice Cube, Dave Chapelle, etc.

You were a lot closer when you started talking about Tea Parties and Occupy movements. We talmbout political dissidents, not faggots and heathens.
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The current prison system is already capable of holding the amount of political dissidents that they deem to have crossed a certain line.

110,000 USA Japanese were in the camps. Interning that many political dissidents would mean that the Democrats and Republicans would be taking away people from what they consider to be support bases of some sort. Romney counted on getting some of the "Ron Paul people" vote or at least wanted them around to bash Obama, while Obama counted on the same from the Dennis Kucinich and Green Party types.

The majority of Democrats in the House voted against renewing the Patriot Act. This would make them "political dissidents" of some sort in the eyes of someone wanting operational internment camps. And the majority of Republicans are against increased gun controls, another supposed "New World Order" goal.

Congress can't agree on things like health care and budgets, and when they do it still ends up being controversial. It would take quite the scenario for the same people to agree on the details of rounding up a group of 110,000, and to deal with the millions of Americans and their guns who might not want to allow it.







lukep said:
I'm just gonna leave this here for all you pre-criminals...

Leaked Document: Military Internment Camps in U.S to be Used for Political Dissidents - YouTube
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Did You Hear the One about U.S. Internment Camps? - By J.M. Berger | Foreign Policy

The manual has been around in one form or another since 1978, when it was first written to assimilate lessons learned from the resettlement of tens of thousands of Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees to the United States after the Vietnam War. It has been substantially rewritten since then, most recently to include scenarios encountered in Iraq and Afghanistan...

An Army spokesman, speaking on background, said the current spate of online postings had taken passages from the manual significantly out of context, conflating wartime operational guidance (such as psychological operations) with peacetime operations in which a limited number of the manual's principals would be applied on U.S. soil, in exceptional cases such as during relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina.
 
Moxie said:
I'm sure many Americans wouldn't mind if all Muslims were sent to camps, but in 1942 there wasn't a Japanese American Congressman or Miss USA. There wasn't a Japanese American Dr. Oz, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Casey Kasem, Ice Cube, Dave Chapelle, etc.
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Not sure if you're saying it can't happen or it provably won't.

But none the less, all the government needs to do it make a distinction between a good Muslim (the famous ones) and those filthy raghead sand niggers that killed 2000 innocent civilians including women and children in a disgusting act of cowardice.

Its all about marketing. How many people could be told exactly what I just said and they would be nodding in a agreement "yer lets lock those horrible people, fuck their rights! They hate us for our freedom!"

Protesting, armed rebellion, not gunna happen. At least not at any level that matters or causes a significant problem to the government.

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We've got our college kids so interested in beer they don't even care if we start manufacturing germ bombs again.

Put a nuclear stockpile in their back yard, they wouldn't even know what it looked like
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Will the government start rounding people up and inprisoining them indefinatly on mass?

I don't know.

But what is clear is the government wants the power and wants to use it.
 
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acidie said:
But none the less, all the government needs to do it make a distinction between a good Muslim (the famous ones) and those filthy raghead sand niggers that killed 2000 innocent civilians including women and children in a disgusting act of cowardice.

Its all about marketing. How many people could be told exactly what I just said and they would be nodding in a agreement "yer lets lock those horrible people, fuck their rights! They hate us for our freedom!"

Protesting, armed rebellion, not gunna happen. At least not at any level that matters or causes a significant problem to the government.
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First off, reps to you for the Dead Kennedys vid.


According to the interwebs there are 15,000 Muslims in the US military, and there's 120,000 K-12 Muslim students in New York City alone. There's X amount of college students, professors, doctors, meat packing plant workers, etc.

They could arrest dozens here and there, but it would be a logistical nightmare to attempt to gather up higher numbers. How would NYC teacher's unions react if suddenly over 10% of their students were to be taken away? Does the meat packing industry want even 1% of its workers to be removed?

Occupy Wall Street drew angry crowds and half the people didn't even know why they were there. Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman were just two people and many who didn't know either were acting like it was the most controversial situation of their lifetime.

Now imagine if 120,000 children (and/or their parents) are targeted for removal from NYC. People like Bruce Springsteen and Tom Morello would be there swinging their guitars around. Anthony Weiner would be screaming while simultaneously hitting on female protesters, People like Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh and their followers would arrive to try fight the tyranny and all that. It would be chaos methinks and I don't think that arresting large groups of Tea Party people or whatever would go any smoother.
 
Moxie said:
An Army spokesman, speaking on background, said the current spate of online postings had taken passages from the manual significantly out of context, conflating wartime operational guidance (such as psychological operations) with peacetime operations in which a limited number of the manual's principals would be applied on U.S. soil, in exceptional cases such as during relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina.
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Forgive me for not taking the word of someone in the army on this matter, Moxie. I'm sure SS soldiers would have told the Jews something similar.

It's not just this Doc & blueprints though; is the 2+ BILLION Hollowpoint bullets that the DHS has purchased, the VIPER squad of the TSA, the militarization of many municiple police forces, the 20+ bearcat tanks that are now used by cops, etc... clearly there is a trend here.

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Just remember... A hollowpoint bullet costs much more than a similar bullet used in target practice. The DHS does not have troops nor does it operate outside our country.

So if they didn't buy 2 billion bullets for anyone outside the country, and they didn't buy 2 billion bullets for targets, what exactly does that leave them to shoot at? :disgust:
 
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Moxie said:
Now imagine if 120,000 children (and/or their parents) are targeted for removal from NYC. People like Bruce Springsteen and Tom Morello would be there swinging their guitars around. Anthony Weiner would be screaming while simultaneously hitting on female protesters, People like Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh and their followers would arrive to try fight the tyranny and all that. It would be chaos methinks and I don't think that arresting large groups of Tea Party people or whatever would go any smoother.
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You know, this exact thing has already happened. Like, over a few dozen times in the history of our world, and twice during our last world war. Just change a few names of angry people.

I'm not sure what you're not understanding. You seem to think just because it's gonna rustle jimmies that it can't happen. Not sure which universe you exist in, let alone which planet or country.

I usually like, +rep, and respect every post you make. But the last ones seem very hazy and not well thought out.
 
lukep said:
Just remember... A hollowpoint bullet costs much more than a similar bullet used in target practice. The DHS does not have troops nor does it operate outside our country.

So if they didn't buy 2 billion bullets for anyone outside the country, and they didn't buy 2 billion bullets for targets, what exactly does that leave them to shoot at? :disgust:
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According to these sources that you will probably not like, they do use hollow points when training :

Homeland Security’s Ammunition Purchases Should Not Worry You | Military Times GearScout

The Great DHS Ammunition Stockpile Myth - Breitbart


thehobbster said:
You know, this exact thing has already happened. Like, over a few dozen times in the history of our world, and twice during our last world war. Just change a few names of angry people.
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TV networks not allowing kissing on their shows, the KKK having millions of members, interracial marriage bans, and other things have been in place in relatively recent history. That doesn't mean that the current USA is ripe for those things to happen again any time soon.


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I'm not sure what you're not understanding. You seem to think just because it's gonna rustle jimmies that it can't happen. Not sure which universe you exist in, let alone which planet or country.
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FDR also appointed a KKK guy to the Supreme Court. It's technically possible that could happen again, but I'm "not sure which universe you exist in" if you don't see how that is much less likely now because it would "rustle jimmies."

"Rustle jimmies" would be an understatement if tanks ran over people trying to protect 120,000 children, especially if people like Oprah, Bono, and Paul McCartney were among them.

I usually like, +rep, and respect every post you make. But the last ones seem very hazy and not well thought out.
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It would probably mean that we are both insane or something if you liked everything I wrote on here, lol.

You're welcome to give a "well thought out" scenario on why and how the US military would enter NYC and take 100,000 people captive.

I'm not saying that it is impossible, but I believe that things such as the political structure of the US and their international reputation would first have to change dramatically. The US is a business and it's not good for their ROI if they cross a line and become viewed as too wacky by the international community, or become viewed that way by their own troops.
 
Moxie said:
According to these sources that you will probably not like, they do use hollow points when training
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You're right... I don't like these sources much at all.

But let's not let it end there. Let's do some simple arithmetic and see for ourselves what it would be like to buy these two types of bullets...

9mm Brass x1000 rounds: $365 1000 Rounds of Bulk 9mm Ammo by PMC - 124gr FMJ

Same store, same brand:

9mm Hollowpoint x1000 rounds: $495 1000 Rounds of Bulk 9mm Ammo by PMC - 115gr JHP

$130 more by today's prices. ($0.013 per bullet)

There are buttloads of cops online swearing that they've never shot a hollowpoint before while on duty, and certainly not on practice ranges, because of the above price difference.

Multiply $0.013 times 2 Billion bullets: $26 Million unnecessary expenditure.

Something's fishy here. At the very least taxpayers should be questioning why that $26 million was spent, even if they trusted DHS agents more than they should.
 
You don't have to start imprisoning people on mass (although with a good excuse you can get away with it), just start small, like executing a US citizen with a drone strike.
 
Fatbat said:
Don't have lunch with Al Qaeda leaders?
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Do you really want to go down that path? OK...

You do realize that the US Government not only created and trained al-Qaeda, but continues to fund it, and that the US government has quite recently used al-Qaeda to try and overthrow the Assad regime in Syria right? So...if al-Qaeda is so bad that this kid deserved to be executed just by being in the same vicinity as alleged al-Qaeda members then why is the US government using taxpayer money to train and arm them to overthrow governments in the region?

Help me understand, because I'm having trouble following along.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Do you really want to go down that path? OK...

You do realize that the US Government not only created and trained al-Qaeda, but continues to fund it, and that the US government has quite recently used al-Qaeda to try and overthrow the Assad regime in Syria right? So...if al-Qaeda is so bad that this kid deserved to be executed just by being in the same vicinity as alleged al-Qaeda members then why is the US government using taxpayer money to train and arm them to overthrow governments in the region?

Help me understand, because I'm having trouble following along.
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wrong argument
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Do you really want to go down that path? OK...

You do realize that the US Government not only created and trained al-Qaeda, but continues to fund it, and that the US government has quite recently used al-Qaeda to try and overthrow the Assad regime in Syria right? So...if al-Qaeda is so bad that this kid deserved to be executed just by being in the same vicinity as alleged al-Qaeda members then why is the US government using taxpayer money to train and arm them to overthrow governments in the region?

Help me understand, because I'm having trouble following along.
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Not defending any killing by gov or al-qaeda, but isn't Al-Qaeda just a database rather than an organization as people are made to believe.

O . O

So I think, when the media implies that al-qaeda is some global organization, it is similar to saying that WF-bst is some organization when in reality its just a collection of different teams and individual actors that share a common goal (SEO, that too broadly)

So if Google takes down a few WF-bst providers and uses or encourages others, it is understandable why they do so. They just do whatever suits their own business model.
 
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