Is it true there is a plan to build a mosque complex next to ground zero?



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emp said:
But Muslim does not equal terrorist, the same as Christian does not eqal pedophile.
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So...does Muslim equal pedophile? I mean, Mohammed was banging a 9 year old girl according to the Qur'an. Plus, they actually have provisions for how to handle sex with children (and animals btw) expounded upon earlier in this thread.

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The image is a little misleading. He married her when she was 6, but had the decency not to start fucking her until she was 9 years old. Sorry, but as fucked in the head as a lot of Priests are, at least they're not actually supposed to be fucking little children...
 
bcc423 said:
Assuming it's not a hoax, every person with a half of brain should understand that it's just a money making venture. Kinda like selling berries to fat morons. People organizing it know that the Mosque will never be built there. But that doesn't stop them from raising money for the cause of building it. Just imagine the donations raised from all the (poor and gullible or rich) Muslims around the world. Especially those who dislike the US. That's their target market.

And it's a win-win situation for the organizers. When they fail, they'll be able to talk about how the US restricts freedoms of Muslims on its own soil, and how the US really isn't all about freedom. My guess is that would be the secondary selling point when soliciting for donations.

The more noise they can make, the better.

So discussing it as if it were "serious business" is even more ridiculous than the usual shit-shooting passed around here.

Ahh, if only they opened up a CPA program... think of all the payouts.

And then, if someone else opened a CPA program for donations to help lobby the prevention of the construction. Now, that shit would raise some serious coin.
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Liking the way you think. :rasta:
 
emp said:
Why .. the fuck?

I am trying to keep from the ad hominem attacks, but some people are making this difficult.

You keep citing "Islamic law" as if it was unchangeable. Guess what? A lot of Muslim countries do NOT follow the Sharia law as it is in the Q'uran, but have a worldly authority, as in "laws the government passes".
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Islamic Law is unchangeable, ask any Muslim - there's just some minor variations between sects and a certain minute level of interpretation to account for 'the times' and circumstances. . You're talking about apostate regimes - again, ask any Muslim.

The countries you speak about are mostly military dictatorships, were a relatively secular minority rules over the majority. Actually surveys of Muslim countries always that between 70-90% of the population want to live under Sharia (even though about 60-70% claim they also want to live under democracy).

In all those countries the political opposition if it exists, is Islamist, kept at bay by opression.

You'll find the "extremists" and most ordinary Muslims consider those governments apostate - part of the reason they want to leave in droves.

You'll find that all those countries (Central Asia and several other excluded due to decades of Communism etc) have in their laws various aspects of Koranic law in their actual laws.

You'll find that Koranic Law does not even need to be political law in those countries because it long ago became part of the culture. Then they leave those countries and are surprised to find other cultures are different (and are thus heathen, apostate, offensive etc). You could say the threat is more cultural than political.


Christian countries also do not follow "Christian law" as it is in the bible (stoning of adulterers, etc..).
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Firstly stoning is Old Testament, and irrevant. There's reason Jesus (supposedly) brought the new one, yeah.

Secondly, if Islam goes through an Reformation and Enlightenment like the Christian world did, I'd be happy to invite them to the adults table. I'd just prefer they accomplish that (and the accompanied slaughter) away from me.

Finally, Christianity is a religion. Islam is as much a political system as it is a religion, we've already been through this.

Muhamed led an army, ruled over cities and states, raided caravans to fund his army, slaughtered enemies and declared how a state should function (under a Caliph), how one should marry (to 4 women, plus the slavegirls on the side) and how you should wipe your ass.

Jesus went around healing the sick and telling people to love their neighbour and their enemy and turn the other cheek.



And please, do not call people things such as "terrorist appeasers" .. what a bunch of shit.
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Like I said in another thread. Not terrorist appeasers, Islamo-Fascist appeasers (maybe not even you, cant remember what you said earlier now). If I was concerned about people dying I'd campaign against smoking, dangerous driving and the Mexican cartels. I am concerned about Western civilization dying. From socialist fucktards on one side and Islamo-Fascist scum on the other. You'll see what I mean in the coming decades as parts of Europe descend into civil war, while in other parts "Western" culture simply fades away to be soon forgotten.


I am not excusing anything a terrorist does or did, least of all 9/11.
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not saying you did

But Muslim does not equal terrorist, the same as Christian does not eqal pedophile.
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Not saying they are. Its kind of like they carry a virus. Much like Communists mean well. Then millions get slaughtered. Muslims mean well. Then millions get slaughtered. They're mostly lovely individually - until you draw them a picture and they stab you. Or they become a majority in your state... and suddenly its illegal to be gay or have sex before marriage - democracy is a far better vehicle for the authoritarian and tyrannical than terrorism ever was - although they work best in tandem - just look at Russia.
Its the collective political force they represent that is the problem. And the ideas and attitudes and prejudices they carry and propagate and want to dominate.


You know, Medicalhumor reminds of a certain Swedish politician. She said -"We must be nice to the Muslims, so that when they become a majority they'll be nice to us".

Oh, how I LOL'ed. Keep up the nice. Reality will surely bend to your wishes.
 
Demon said:
Anyone who finds this plan to build a mosque an insult to those who lost their lives needs to understand that a mosque doesn't have any connection with what happened there.

Let's put it this way. If ground zero had been the biggest hotspot for rapes and murders by black men, would anyone here object if an 'african american cultural community center' was to be built there?
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Very true...but...NYC isn't big enough to pick a spot where they might now offend anyone? The builders are just asking for media attention. cmon now.
 
Ok so I am biased because -- my wife had a meeting scheduled there that day with her company's insurance consultation group. I was home that morn and when I saw the planes hit the towers I thought she was dead. The meeting had been cancelled but her friend was killed. I live pretty close to the city, so that night I loaded my car with supplies and headed on down to help. I used the westside drive, when I got to around 75th street there was a stench the likes of which I've never encountered and it only got worse the closer I got. The memory of that odor will live with me probably forever. Not to mention i really like being an american -- you know the whole freedom and opportunity thing.

conv3rsion said:
My thought is so what. I don't hold current day Christians responsible for the crusades. I'm not going to hold all muslims responsible for 9/11.
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Well Churches do not recruit people to start another crusade or burn witches. Whereas some mosques are fronts for terrorists. Having said that-- one of my good friends is Muslim and from Pakistan here on a work visa, he is good people.
So do I think it would be "right" to build a Mosque there? "Right" according to who? The victims family's and friends --I'm guessing they are against it-- and I can empathize with that point of view. But really this is a free country like someone said in this thread. Personally I think almost all organized religion is BS -it is a means to control people, Period. I read parts of the koran and my interpetation was they fuckin hate jewish people. My boy Basher (the pakistani muslim) told me that the muslims believe mohamed's body was kidnapped after his death by the jews -- again - control.
Personally i don't give a fuck what they do or where they build their mosques. The way i see it: the road the extremists are on -- will ultimately lead to their demise. Maybe mine too, but I never forget that our flag was bought and paid for with blood, so if that is how it is than that is how it will be.
 
medicalhumor said:
typical conservative mindset, keep repeating the same lies over and over enough hoping people will believe the message and not the truth.



... much easier to challenge and insult your fellow Americans that see things differently than you
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I would really believe and respect what you say about Islam...unfortunately, you only stand up for muslims. In past threads, you have slammed Christians for being ignorant, backward etc. If you slam one religeon for being a fairy tale, you have to slam them all. Therefore you must be a:

1) A muslim terrorist sympathizer
2) A muslim
3) Really dumb liberal
4) Scared you will get your head cut off
 
popeye said:
I would really believe and respect what you say about Islam...unfortunately, you only stand up for muslims. In past threads, you have slammed Christians for being ignorant, backward etc. If you slam one religeon for being a fairy tale, you have to slam them all. Therefore you must be a:

1) A muslim terrorist sympathizer
2) A muslim
3) Really dumb liberal
4) Scared you will get your head cut off
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that's the thing Popeye, you will never respect what other people say. you have a pretty good reputation on this board for slamming anyone and everyone that doesn't think like you. and to be clear, I have not slammed Christians for being ignorant, backward, etc. - I have slammed you for being ignorant, backward, etc. Therefore you must be a:

1) Hypocrite
2) Racist
3) Charlatan
4) Really dumb conservative
 
lol @ Christianity being brought up in this thread. It's pathetic how out of context board members here take Christianity and try to use it to bring harmless people down.

This thread is about the religion that's killing thousands of Americans and innocent people TODAY...that's the real problem.

Some of you guys are pretty sad.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Those aren't Christians (can't believe I'm defending Christianity here...) those are african voodoo type religions that have simply borrowed a handful of Christian ideas from missionaries and incorporated it into their own religions.
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Read the article I linked to on the foxnews site.


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Those are two of the groups mentioned and they have millions of members, some of whom abuse and murder people that get labeled as witches.
 
Honestly i feel its a terrible thing for the Muslim community to build close to the area which was devastated by the Attacks. I mean in reality they could build a mosque anywhere they want. I really believe there is interior motives but this is my opinion really
 
It is pretty sad, but I doubt there is anything we can do to change minds of these Islamo-Fascist appeasers who actually think Christianity nowadays is a bigger threat than Islam.

Their mind is made up, the best thing for those of us who still want to save the Western Civilization is to focus on educating and mobilizing those who did not let political correctness poison their mind. There are still a lot of us and we will not be quiet. America is a center-right Nation.

To think about it, they actually believe FOX News and Sarah Palin are worse than Osama Bin Laden. Treasonous scum.
 
Robert Spencer from JihadWatch.com and the cofounder of 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America, Deborah Burlingame on Hannity yesterday, discussing this Muslim guy who paid $4.85 million for that property:


BURLINGAME: Yes. But — but when he published this in 2007 in the Muslim world, he didn't call it "What's Right With Islam" and a later title, "What's Right with America." He called it "A Call to Prayer From the World Trade Center Rubble: Islamic Da'wah From the Heart of America..."

HANNITY: Meaning?

BURLINGAME: "... Post-9/11." Robert, tell him what da'wah means.

SPENCER: Da'wah is Islamic proselytizing. And in the Islamic law, da'wah precedes jihad. You call the nonbelievers to Islam. And if they refuse to accept it, then you initiate the jihad against them. But the whole goal of both da'wah and jihad is to impose Islamic law or Sharia upon the nonbelievers as a political system, not as a religious one.

HANNITY: What about the controversy — controversy involving his father?

SPENCER: The controversy involving his father involves the Muslim Brotherhood and the fact that this guy has ties to this group that is, in its own words, "dedicated to eliminating and destroying western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house."

HANNITY: So you both believe — and as I read this, this is becoming more and more alarming to me. And you have been very nice to give me a copy of the book and tell me about the translation when it was first published, you know, in other countries — that he would want to impose or at least allow for Muslims to have the ability to transcend the American court system.

SPENCER: Oh, yes.

HANNITY: Explain Sharia Law. Why don't we go into in just a little detail in the short time we have?

SPENCER: Well, Sharia Law denies equality of rights...

HANNITY: To women.

SPENCER: ... to non-Muslims, to women.

HANNITY: Right, right.

SPENCER: And it does not allow for them to operate in an equal system.

See, the thing about Sharia is unlike — you mentioned Jewish courts in the beginning, Sean. The thing, the difference is, is that no other religious system makes rules for people who are outside the religion. But Islamic law does. And it mandates, institutionalizes the subjugation of non-Muslims. And so that's what Feisal Abdul Rauf is actually calling for.

BURLINGAME: And let me also add, this man has close ties to the Malaysian government. The Cordova Initiative, his — his operation that's going to build this mosque, is funded by the Malaysian government. He has offices in Malaysia. That's where he published this book.

And in Malaysia, in the Sharia courts, Sharia courts are mandated. No Muslim can go into a civil court. They have to have their things adjudicated in these courts. There are penalties for converting to Christianity there.


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IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, BEHIND GROUND ZERO MOSQUE: We have the right to build this building as a right. We don't need any zoning variations. We can just go ahead and build it without permissions or expressions of support from anybody.


HANNITY: But he may be much more radical than most Americans know.

Now in a book published back in 2004, "What Is Right With Islam," Feisal Abdul Rauf, he wrote of his fondness for Sharia Law and his belief that the U.S. can accommodate it. He argued, quote, that "the American political structure is Sharia compliant," continuing, quote, "For America to score even higher on the 'Islamic' or 'Sharia' compliance scale, America would need to do two things: invite the voices of all religions to join the dialogue in shaping the nation's practical life, and allow religious communities more leeway to judge among themselves according to their own laws."
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Inside the Push for Ground Zero-Area Mosque - Hannity - FOXNews.com

Good luck, bros.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
So...you're saying we should be more worried about Christians burning us alive then Muslims blowing us up? Really? Or are you just arguing to argue?
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LOL. Someone mentioned witch burning being a thing of the past and then I linked to two articles.

I've wasted enough time over the years observing various internet forums, and there seems to be a greater tendency here to read too much into posts. This is better than having an overabundance of fake politeness like at the warriorforum, but it is possible for people to comment or provide info about a topic without having to dichotomize.
 
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