I refuse to post my true opinion about this issue because I would offend my Jewish and Arab friends. So this is one issue I will pass on
Life in Occupied Palestine
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OH STFU
Choose a side, motherfucker.
BAN this drippy little fucktard, really. :boid:
I guess Mexicans don't have the need to explode themselves in crowded places bro?
Israel never had a border between Gaza and Israel until the Arabs started exploding everywhere making suicide bombs 2 times a week. (That's why they're launching rockets now)
ONLY THEN - Israel built the border and set roadblocks. But I guess the border and roadblocks hurt the Arab's right to make suicide bombs in Israel, so ... it's Israel fault. Shame on them for not letting the Arabs explode as they were told by their Quran.
Bro at least go learn some facts (and not facts from 2001 wiki pages) before you reply.
But since you love those wikis so much, look how many suicide bombs were there in those years and how the border drastically decreased them.
List of Palestinian suicide attacks
Well produced video + hot girl + funky music + distorted lies and propaganda = Winning
Perhaps their idea was for you to be distracted enough by her tits to not realise that the drivel coming out of her mouth has very little baring on reality.
Oh and I still fail to see where what I wrote was deceptive. I suppose it could be considered deceptive if you had only read your original post and then skipped everything else and jumped to my post. However most of us tend to read the bits in between.
Watch this video.
This car is full with explosives. The solider on the roadblock stopped it and prevented a mass suicide explosion (watch how he stopped it, almost got run over)
But Israel are fucktards for setting up roadblocks..right?
This car is full with explosives. The solider on the roadblock stopped it and prevented a mass suicide explosion (watch how he stopped it, almost got run over)
But Israel are fucktards for setting up roadblocks..right?
I think the narrative gets distracted when Israel keeps saying - "We have the right to defend ourselves! What would you do if your cities were receiving enemy rocket fire? These terror tunnels must be destroyed" to shut up any criticism of Israel. They are defending a position that no one's attacking...aka a strawman argument.
We all agree that Hamas is bad, needs to be eliminated, but the way Israel is doing it shows a callous disregard for Palestinian citizens (which Israel considers second class citizens and dehumanizes in its narrative).
They seem to have taken a page out of American's military playbook, i.e. blatant disregard for Iraqi/Afghan civilians in its quest to root out Taliban militants.
To better formulate the furor over Israel's disproportionate use of force, let's pose a simple question:
If Hamas militants had infiltrated and started shooting rockets from an Israel school (full of Israeli children) or an Israeli hospital (full of Israeli patients) - would Israel simply shell the building to a rubble? I don't think so. I think Israel would do a special operation in which it would send ground troops to apprehend the militants rather than shell it to a rubble...
But if the same school/hospital has Palestinian students/patients, then shelling it is no problem - who cares if 80% are civilians? Who cares if it violates international law...it's all Hamas' fault anyway for using them as shields and hiding in Hospitals and schools...right?
We all agree that Hamas is bad, needs to be eliminated, but the way Israel is doing it shows a callous disregard for Palestinian citizens (which Israel considers second class citizens and dehumanizes in its narrative).
They seem to have taken a page out of American's military playbook, i.e. blatant disregard for Iraqi/Afghan civilians in its quest to root out Taliban militants.
To better formulate the furor over Israel's disproportionate use of force, let's pose a simple question:
If Hamas militants had infiltrated and started shooting rockets from an Israel school (full of Israeli children) or an Israeli hospital (full of Israeli patients) - would Israel simply shell the building to a rubble? I don't think so. I think Israel would do a special operation in which it would send ground troops to apprehend the militants rather than shell it to a rubble...
But if the same school/hospital has Palestinian students/patients, then shelling it is no problem - who cares if 80% are civilians? Who cares if it violates international law...it's all Hamas' fault anyway for using them as shields and hiding in Hospitals and schools...right?
Hurr,
i actually think you made a reasonable point. But let me ask you a question. Why hold israel to a standard no other country is held too? war is bad poeple die right? so when americans kill a 100 thousand iraqis.. america as great as it is killed civilians..
we killed bunch of civilians in libya when the EU bombed the shit out of them.. did you know we killed more civilians in libya then israel has in gaza?
syria.. did u know more syrians have died fighting each other then israel has killed palastanians in the history of there existence?
iraq.. how many people have died there fighting each other?
did you know more chicago residents have died in shootings then israel has killed in gaza in this operation?
algeria - tens of thousands died fighting islamists group did you hear penelepe cruz slam agleria?
so then let me ask you.. WHY THE FUCK IS ISRAEL SO SPECAIL?? why is it in 60 conflicts around the world (of which 90 percent involve muslims) is israel single handidly pointed out 10 to 1 compared to others..
i love how you have brilliant arguments to make about hospitals and palastanians.. but havent said one fucken word about syria or lebenon or the fact that more gazans died in the hamas take over in 2007 then in this fight with israel..
Israel warned all the civilians to evacuate with anything available. even tried to make sure it's empty, and it turns out in the end that some civilians were still inside because Hamas wouldn't let them leave.
Is Israel supposed to risk the death of 10's of soliders so there would be an even number of casualties from both sides? That's for another discussion. There is so much you can do for your enemy in times of war, I think Israel is doing the maximum.
"disproportionate use of force" - Maybe Israel should send it soldiers with bows and swords to match Hammas level?
I don't blame you, it's easy to be that guy who lives in utopia, a fucking dream world where bombs can only hit the terrorists and miss the civilians. In the end, the Gazans chose the Hammas to lead them and now they are paying for it. (a very small payment if it was any other country in the world instead of Israel)
Keep on living in your hippy-flower-world you live on HurrDurr.
Is Israel supposed to risk the death of 10's of soliders so there would be an even number of casualties from both sides? That's for another discussion. There is so much you can do for your enemy in times of war, I think Israel is doing the maximum.
"disproportionate use of force" - Maybe Israel should send it soldiers with bows and swords to match Hammas level?
I don't blame you, it's easy to be that guy who lives in utopia, a fucking dream world where bombs can only hit the terrorists and miss the civilians. In the end, the Gazans chose the Hammas to lead them and now they are paying for it. (a very small payment if it was any other country in the world instead of Israel)
Keep on living in your hippy-flower-world you live on HurrDurr.
Well for one, my US tax dollar is directly funding the shelling of Gaza. And whether we like it or not, US is very much complicit in each and every action Israel takes. The world's hate for America is not unjustified. The world doesn't hate America because we're "rich and free" - Qatar, Singapore and Norway are even richer than USA (on a per capita basis) - yet no one hates or attacks them... Why? One answer is found if you read OBL's letter to America, he clearly states why he hates America - Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America' | World news | Observer.co.uk
What I fear is more hate, more extremism and more terrorist attacks against the USA. For every person that dies, there is more hate that's generated.
Israel never skips a beat in acting sanctimoniously. Calling itself the "The only democracy in the Middle East" and painting itself as the victim on one hand, while on the other hand collectively oppress a populace that it secretly wishes to displace. They continue usurped land with force from the indigenous population and claim to hold the moral high ground while whitewashing their true motives. They continue to hold double standard against the world.
So yes, I do think they should be held to a higher standard and if they act in the same way as their enemies, then they are really no different than them. Yes Hamas is evil, but Israel is no saint. Neither side deserves praise...or support...
^ As you can see in the video earlier, Israel's bombs are precise. Even the bombing of a house won't hurt the house near it. So to evacuate = just move 50 feet away. Maybe Israel should also call cabs for them? Here's a video to demonstrate it.
Great video, pretty much says it all - Someone firing a gun from the hospital = obliterate the entire hospital to a rubble! And the world is puzzled why 80% of those dying are civilians when Israel is the one who has precision/laser targeted missiles...this is exactly why...
The video is suspect - Israeli military falsifies photograph to justify bombing el-Wafa hospital | International Solidarity Movement
Israel used fabricated images to justify bombing al-Wafa hospital | The Electronic Intifada
As an occupying power, a "democracy," a friend of USA, and the only country with nuclear weapons arsenal in the Middle East, its Israel's duty to follow the International law and the covenants of Geneva conventions..but the truth is, it doesn't give two shits about ANYONE in Gaza in its quest to inflict collective punishment on everyone living in Gaza.
Why else would you bomb power plants and fuel tanks?
Lets try a simple exercise
go to this page List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and count the number of civilians that were murdered by Hamas suicide bombers prior to 2005.
Quite a significant number right?
Well this is the number of civilians Hamas murdered BEFORE the Palestinian people voted for them to represent them, in full knowledge that it is Hamas's strategy to target civilians (and wipe the Jews off the face of the earth).
Not trying to justify Israel's actions, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Actually its not Straw man at all. The vast majority of civilians buildings that have been destroyed are when Israel is trying to destroy rockets being launched at them from and around these buildings.
You shoot at me and I shoot back at where you are shooting from = defence
This is the position being defended and that everyone is attacking.
Actually it would be better to formulate it this way.
If Israel had infiltrated an Israeli school on the border (full of children) and started shooting rockets at the palestinians would the palestinians try to shell it? Would they give two shits that there were children inside?
Well its actually a very silly question as Israel would NEVER use a school full of children to launch an attack from.
hamas soilders wearing israeli uniforms is a war crime
Hamas soilders dressing up as civilians or without uniform but fighting is a war crime.
hamas randomly shooting rockets into israeli cities is a war crime
hamas committing suicide bombings against israeli civilians is a war crime
hamas hiding weapons and missiles and firing from civilian areas including mosques and un schools and fighting in the vicinity of civilians is a war crime.
Israeli is trying the best way to response to everything stated above. it doesnt meet your standards. WELL TO FUCKING BAD.. there fighting for there life.. your safe and sound in your home..
when you havent faced islamic radicals like hamas.. isis.. al aquida on a daily basis.. dont be so ready to judge the poeple who do on a daily basis.. its not a easy fight..
I agree with you - Hamas will kill every single innocent Israeli - man, woman, child in that school at the first opportunity and that's why they are (rightly) called as terrorists. That's expected - everyone knows this and agrees.
What some people (like myself) are disturbed by is that IDF's behavior is resembling Hamas' behavior. This must be stopped. No matter how bad Hamas' behavior is, IDF has a responsibility to act within reason and follow the international law and Geneva conventions. Otherwise it will only incite more rage and hate from the world.
It's also interesting how a tiny country like Israel gets away with bullying and wiretapping on one hand and accepting money/aid/arms on the other hand. Quite a relationship!
"Israel gets away with bullying"
He forced Israel to accept a ceasefire (which 6 ceasefires before had been broken by Hammas) and after Israel listened to him, Hammas killed a few Israeli soldiers and kept firing rocket - just 2 hours later from when the ceasefire took affect. And what's piss you off is the prime minister "bullying" John Kerry?..
Why don't you answer my question? What is Hammas goal? What is FreeGaza? What is it the people in Gaza want?
He forced Israel to accept a ceasefire (which 6 ceasefires before had been broken by Hammas) and after Israel listened to him, Hammas killed a few Israeli soldiers and kept firing rocket - just 2 hours later from when the ceasefire took affect. And what's piss you off is the prime minister "bullying" John Kerry?..
Why don't you answer my question? What is Hammas goal? What is FreeGaza? What is it the people in Gaza want?