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juiceman22 said:
How hard is it to understand that they don't have the ability to replay and scrutinize a scene as it is happening, that they only have seconds to react to what they see? It's easy for everyone to say now that "oh he wasn't threatening, he put his arms up look if we reverse and play it in slow motion you can see his hands going up in the air. Police brutality I say!"
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Stop being so hard headed. If they were too pussy to restrain him without tasering him they shouldn't be cops to begin with. For the sake of the argument let's now say they needed to use force because he was being aggressive towards them. Is this what they are trained to do? NO. They are supposed to either use pepper spray or their sticks before they even get to the taser. Did that happen? No. So did they carry out their duties as they were trained to do? No. They might as well have shot the guy.

I wonder if you would be reacting the same way had this been YOUR family member. Would you let it go?

Would you say oh my son or daughter or mother or father were being aggressive it's ok they tasered them and they died?
 


juiceman22 said:
How hard is it to understand that they don't have the ability to replay and scrutinize a scene as it is happening, that they only have seconds to react to what they see? It's easy for everyone to say now that "oh he wasn't threatening, he put his arms up look if we reverse and play it in slow motion you can see his hands going up in the air. Police brutality I say!"
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Just to clarify, I didn't slow the video down, I didn't rewind, and I have only watched it 1 time.

Still, I found myself saying in my head "What the fuck are they tasing him for? He just lifted his hands and showed he had no weapons, he didnt fucking fight them"

No slow motion needed to see what's really going on here...
 
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Hi all,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, please note that this tread is not meant to Bash the man and woman of the police force. Nor for anyone to do anything stupid, when I wrote this was very upset and still am however things of this nature should not go by without consequences and i truly hope that Justice is served in this case of true curtly and brutality to humanity as a hole. As a Canadian living in Vancouver feel deep shame. True sadness for family and people of Poland. I also think for starters our Prime minster should make a public apology, and demand the chief of the RCMP
resign, and all involved brought to criminal justice
And that the Goverment and people of Canada not allow the Goverment
to cover this up by allowing former head RCMP do the Autopsy would
truly be a outrage and cover up.


I found a link for condolences,

Please use the link below to share your memories or express condolences if you so choose

to the family

http://www.legacy.com/CAN-Vancouver/GB/GuestbookEntry.aspx?&PersonID=98084671


Godbless.
 
It's not a million miles away from the Brazilian electrician 'terrorist' that got shot on the London underground... no-one accountable for that either...

The Police Officers are as guilty as the soldiers killing innocent Iraqis and Afghanis (Whichever way you see it... but remember, most Nazi soldiers where just following orders too.)

Give it a few years and we won't even be able to talk about this shit.

Peace and love to the family of the victims.
 
m0rtal said:
Stop being so hard headed. If they were too pussy to restrain him without tasering him they shouldn't be cops to begin with. For the sake of the argument let's now say they needed to use force because he was being aggressive towards them. Is this what they are trained to do? NO. They are supposed to either use pepper spray or their sticks before they even get to the taser. Did that happen? No. So did they carry out their duties as they were trained to do? No. They might as well have shot the guy.

I wonder if you would be reacting the same way had this been YOUR family member. Would you let it go?

Would you say oh my son or daughter or mother or father were being aggressive it's ok they tasered them and they died?
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None of my family is stupid enough to fight with federal officers at an airport. If they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they got a beat down or tasered/sprayed. The death was an accident, their intention was not to kill the man but to control him, but of course the liberal lefties want to blow it up into some huge scandal about how the police are evil brutes.
 
Good point.

When I go out tonight all trashed out of my mind, my goal will be to go to a club. Completely harmless.

The children I run down on the way shouldn't have been playing near a street at night.

I like how you look at things.

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juiceman22 said:
None of my family is stupid enough to fight with federal officers at an airport. If they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they got a beat down or tasered/sprayed. The death was an accident, their intention was not to kill the man but to control him, but of course the liberal lefties want to blow it up into some huge scandal about how the police are evil brutes.
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juiceman22 said:
None of my family is stupid enough to fight with federal officers at an airport. If they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they got a beat down or tasered/sprayed. The death was an accident, their intention was not to kill the man but to control him, but of course the liberal lefties want to blow it up into some huge scandal about how the police are evil brutes.
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You're one of those annoying right wingers who blames everything on this magical monolithic bloc of people known as 'the liberal lefties'. Give up the bullshit and try and think before you adopt a conservative or liberal stance, otherwise you're a fucking ignorant fuck like the rest of them.

The man had never set foot in Canada before and had no prior knowledge of what the fuck was going to happen or who the fuck these people were. He was, and quite rightly so, frustrated out of his mind. When you've spent 10 hours in some small shitty Canadian airport with no one making an effort to get your voice heard, it is no damn suprise you're going to be throwing shit around. Fuck, instead of tazing the guy like a bunch of dickheads they should have just got a fucking translator, he wasn't threatening anyone. And how can you expect anyone, especially a complete foreigner, to be knowledgable about these type of things which you should or should not do? If you were to arrive in Poland with no one who could understand you, you would also have a chance fucking things up when an average Polish bystander who knows how shit goes in Poland would go 'why doesn't he get it?'

Juiceman, change your fucking attitude.
 
Eliminate tasers and go back to beating the shit out of them with batons! How many deaths by night sticks have been recorded per year before tasers? :angrysoapbox_sml:
 
Demon said:
You're one of those annoying right wingers who blames everything on this magical monolithic bloc of people known as 'the liberal lefties'. Give up the bullshit and try and think before you adopt a conservative or liberal stance, otherwise you're a fucking ignorant fuck like the rest of them.

The man had never set foot in Canada before and had no prior knowledge of what the fuck was going to happen or who the fuck these people were. He was, and quite rightly so, frustrated out of his mind. When you've spent 10 hours in some small shitty Canadian airport with no one making an effort to get your voice heard, it is no damn suprise you're going to be throwing shit around. Fuck, instead of tazing the guy like a bunch of dickheads they should have just got a fucking translator, he wasn't threatening anyone. And how can you expect anyone, especially a complete foreigner, to be knowledgable about these type of things which you should or should not do? If you were to arrive in Poland with no one who could understand you, you would also have a chance fucking things up when an average Polish bystander who knows how shit goes in Poland would go 'why doesn't he get it?'

Juiceman, change your fucking attitude.
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I see more ignorance in judging cops or anyone else by the information YOU have now after the fact, which is much different than they had at the time with very little time to react and an airport full of people to protect. Policing is not perfect, unfortunately they do not have ESP - if they see a screaming crazed man throwing things, it is a threat, plain and fucking simple. It doesn't matter if he's tired or frustrated or whatever, they are not fucking Dr. Phil they are RCMP and job is to neutralize the situation and prevent any damage.

And it doesn't matter if he's a foreigner and can't speak the language - first of all how the fuck did he expect to travel alone in Canada if he can't speak a lick of English? Mistake number 1. Big whopping mistake number 2 is deciding to go on a little tantrum at federal officers at the airport. If I am in a foreign country I do not do that, hopefully now people will realize that having a one-man riot at the airport might not be the best of ideas. Try pulling that shit in say Vietnam and let's see how nice they treat you.
 
juiceman22 said:
I see more ignorance in judging cops or anyone else by the information YOU have now after the fact, which is much different than they had at the time with very little time to react and an airport full of people to protect. Policing is not perfect, unfortunately they do not have ESP - if they see a screaming crazed man throwing things, it is a threat, plain and fucking simple. It doesn't matter if he's tired or frustrated or whatever, they are not fucking Dr. Phil they are RCMP and job is to neutralize the situation and prevent any damage.

And it doesn't matter if he's a foreigner and can't speak the language - first of all how the fuck did he expect to travel alone in Canada if he can't speak a lick of English? Mistake number 1. Big whopping mistake number 2 is deciding to go on a little tantrum at federal officers at the airport. If I am in a foreign country I do not do that, hopefully now people will realize that having a one-man riot at the airport might not be the best of ideas. Try pulling that shit in say Vietnam and let's see how nice they treat you.
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God you are a dickhead... let me take this apart one by one:
(Emphasis of passages in the quote are mine)

Little Time - Yeah, it took them 24 seconds to begin tasering the guy.

Airport full of people to protect - There is NO ONE in the area they kept him in. He has no weapons of mass destruction on him and he is not even threatening the police officers.

It doesn't matter he is tired and frustrated - Buzzz...Wrong. We are all human it does matter. But yeah, if the cops come out saying they were tired and frustrated because of something happening earlier that day, you'll take that as an excuse.

Neutralize the situation and prevent any damage - aaaahhh, Just to let it sink in, here are your words again with another emphasis by me:
Neutralize the situation and prevent any damage
Pure gold - thank you, sir.

Doesn't matter he does not speak the language - It does matter. I help so many tourists in my country, it is unbelievable. Often, these people are lost on the smallest things, let alone being detained at an airport for reasons they do not understand.


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and on and on...

Sorry, I am getting tired of this bull. I'll just make sure and laugh long and load the second someone American or Canadian is tasered to death at a foreign airport.

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PS: I probably will not. Laugh at someone being tasered, that is. TAsers have to be recognised as the dangerous weapons they are.
 
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God you are a dickhead...

Neutralize the situation and prevent any damage - aaaahhh, Just to let it sink in, here are your words again with another emphasis by me:
Neutralize the situation and prevent any damage
Pure gold - thank you, sir.
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Dickhead? Thanks.

About the cops, as far as I'm concerned they did neutralize and protect. The instigator, the aggressor, was contained and did not harm any innocent people around him. How can you say he would not have done anything further if the cops did not control him? It's called prevention. They don't have time to sit back and contemplate the life story of a person who is threatening the safety of innocent people.

I support the RCMP and their actions. They did what they were supposed to do - the tragedy was the fault of the taser. They need to find a more safe and reliable tool to use in these situations.
 
Maybe an international airport should have some bi-lingual staff on hand to cover the languages that come in?
Then they could understand whats going on a little better. Instead of just assuming they know whats best.

The big issue here, in my eyes anyways, is that the police, the majority of them, jump into a situation, and go 'Ok I have to take care of this asshole. It's my job'

Instead of trying to better understand the situation, and what's going on. For all those cops knew, someone at the airport could have just raped the dude in the ass with a broom. They could have told him they were going to kill his mother.
While this is very unlikely, my point is, a multitude of things could have been upsetting him, and to just assume that anyone irate or angry about something is a threat to all humankind is just pure ignorance.

I don't think it would be alright to assault someone because they were just stabbed or shot, and are now completely irate.
They would be understandably pissed the hell off.

Instead of acting like robots, maybe they should be trained to act more like humans, and try to better understand a situation, instead of treating every single situation like it is world-threatening.

I myself blame the police for this. They carry guns, they carry batons, those could both kill as well.

To say that they did what they were supposed to do, is like saying they should just beat the fuck out of every angry person on earth, and ask questions later.

It is dumb ignorance like this that will continue to destroy people of all walks of life.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent." Isaac Asimov
 
They had ten hours. How hard is it to get him to point to a map or write something down and figure out what country he is from and go get a translator, anyone... A fucking student or professor or something. Vancouver is a big city.

Fucking go to Babel fish and type something. Let him type something... Fucking easy...

I was there in Vancouver a few years ago and the customs guy was hassling me too, I think I was a bit too casual for him.
 
juiceman22 said:
Dickhead? Thanks.

About the cops, as far as I'm concerned they did neutralize and protect. The instigator, the aggressor, was contained and did not harm any innocent people around him. How can you say he would not have done anything further if the cops did not control him? It's called prevention. They don't have time to sit back and contemplate the life story of a person who is threatening the safety of innocent people.

I support the RCMP and their actions. They did what they were supposed to do - the tragedy was the fault of the taser. They need to find a more safe and reliable tool to use in these situations.
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I still do not agree with you.

Yes, we need to find a safer tool, but still, we also need to hold people responsible for using a taser after 24 seconds.

I think looking at the tool is important, but only secondary here. Taser incidents seem so ...strange... because the tool removes the obvious violence.
If those cops would've whipped out their batons and clubbed him to death, the outcry would be far more pronounced, and probably even you would not applaud them for it.

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Edit: I apologize for the dickhead. I got carried away. Sorry for that.
 
@demon.

I fuxored it up when I entered a witty slogan in my user profile. No clue how to get the badge back, still got the title.

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Unfortunately, it all comes down to a lack of training and experience. I hate to say that but, it's true. Why, in an international airport, aren't ALL the employees aware that a translation service is available and know how to use it? Is there anyone there who does not get it that there will be people entering the airport who do not apeak canadianese?

Shame on the inexperienced young RCMP cops for escalating the situation, as well. It could have and should have been handled a lot differently. The airport security people watched this guy for a while and just stood around, talking on their walkie-talkies, feeling important. Good for them... they need to be promoted to baggage handlers.

I really dislike seeing all these young cops dressed like they are... not just in this video but everywhere... body armor on the outside of their shirts, boots, leather gloves, belts that look like Batmans tool belt, etc. They have testosterone levels that would kill a normal person. All that intimidation crap only increases their feelings of invincibility.

They're given all these "tools" to do their job and, granted, they receive training but, that does NOT equal life experience or common sense. Many of them are fresh out of college when they enter law enforcement and have no clue about human nature and absolutely zero life experience.

I say shame on everyone involved, from the airport people all the way up to whomever commands the RCMP. It's a blight on all of humanity that this happens in an apparently civilized society. I'll be rethinking my next visit to Canada until I learn to speak canadianese.
 
Thinking about this, I have to say it strikes me as sad, when police officers are applauded for using violence so easily.

( and a Taser is violence, make no mistake about that )

Police officers have tons of authority and power imbided by them with their office and status. Yes, it might be fitting to tread lightly sometimes.

I have bounced at a few clubs (helping friends of mine out), been in the middle of fights breaking them up, etc...

Even with drunk, disorderly, yelling, upset people I did never have to use anything more than a few shoves and pushes. And I did not have a few years of police training.

That the guy died might be just a detail of the story. Sad, but a detail.
For me, even if he would not have died, that was excessive use of force.

What is bad about this is that it is policemen who did this. No untrained civilian, but 4 trained police officers who, as was alluded earlier, belong to some kind of "special" task force.

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When cops are faced with a hostile situation, it really comes down to who has to take the risk. They can be careful not to cause any unecessary harm, only using whatever force necessary, possibly risking getting themselves stabbed, punched, poked with a needle or whatever else. Or they can ensure their own safety with greater force to contain the hostile person, with the added risk to the other person that they might be hurt.

So either way, somebody is at risk, and somebody might get hurt. Now why the hell would anyone support that the cops should be at risk in the confrontation, and to protect the aggressor?? Does this make any sense? So the cops, the people out there to protect you, should bear the risk of injury, and the hostile attacker should have their safety ensured? I just can't understand that viewpoint. (I know here the guy would not quite be considered a hostile attacker, but he seemed enough of a threat to need controlling). But the media will only show brutal officers attacking an innocent man, not the other side of the story, because that's more shocking and controversial.
 
The guy would not quite be considered the hostile attacker,..

My point exactly.

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