well, i highly doubt who is the anemy here...the civilians in Gaza throwing stones to soldiers or the heavily armorred army of Israel donated with modern weapons killing the Gaza's civilians. Not everyone in Gaza is Hamas.
Lol, another "flotilla love boat" headed for Gaza. Gonna try and break the blockade..
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well, i highly doubt who is the anemy here...the civilians in Gaza throwing stones to soldiers or the heavily armorred army of Israel donated with modern weapons killing the Gaza's civilians. Not everyone in Gaza is Hamas.
Yes, they took it. And then gave it to the palestinians after inspection. Completely legal according to international law. The blockade is there for a reason. You know.. to keep weapons from being smuggled in. Which will happen if they don't inspect every ship.
Who do you think send thousands of tonnes of food, medicin and other supplies into gaza every week? That's right.. Israel. They only refuse to take it as yet another PR-stunt.
Hamas is israels enemy. They control Gaza. Everything that is sent into gaza is really sent to Hamas, who then decides who gets what..
I would inject some common sense in this thread but it looks like PatJ is doing fine without me.
Parting note:
Life in Iraq
Life in India
Life in Turkey:
Life in Afghanistan:
Life in Gaza:
The poor, oppressed Palestinians look to be par for the course in that part of the world (if not in better shape). There are "humanitarian needs" in that entire area ... the point of these flotillas are simply to break Israel's blockaid and turn the rest of the world on them. Good luck with that, we've dealt with 9/11 and have no love for anyone who follows sharia law.
Parting note:
Life in Iraq
Life in India
Life in Turkey:
Life in Afghanistan:
Life in Gaza:
The poor, oppressed Palestinians look to be par for the course in that part of the world (if not in better shape). There are "humanitarian needs" in that entire area ... the point of these flotillas are simply to break Israel's blockaid and turn the rest of the world on them. Good luck with that, we've dealt with 9/11 and have no love for anyone who follows sharia law.
whatever it is...Israel government hit the wall this time and they are going to get their ass sued "by International Laws" for killing civilians in the middle of the mediterranean...there cant be any excuse for what they did, thats how i see it.
*scratches head* Kinda wondering if you know what you're talking about right bout now.
not that i really know...i just watch to much news and thats what i have impression of, it looks like the turkish governement is not going to let this go...time will show i think.
Life in Turkey:
First thing i want to clear is...i am not here to messup with you man...so take your fingers off the bann button LOL
just some thoughts
ummm, not sure where you got that picture above but i think is from some village. If you take a look at the picture below and tell me is true, i will believe also to your picture above:
life in USA:
If you knew a little about turkey and the exact location on the map, you would have noticed "Anatolia". Anatolia is one of the places on this planet where to many cultures pass and leave their signs. In turkey you can find almost everything in one place. Old and historical building next to modern skyline building. An christian, muslim, jewish and ateists seating together and drinking tea, having their homes next to eachother and living in peace. A poor man walking to his work place 5-10 miles every day, and a rich guy driving Maserati to his work place that is just 50 meters faar from his home. Rich people's kids playing with expensive toys, and poor people's kids playing in mud. If you visit turkey one day, you would better understand what i mean.
this are some pics i find:
current life in turkey:
i agree, but you need to know Turkey doesnt follows sharia law...it is a Republic.
Not sure what you mean by "if they will let this go". What choice do they have? Israel, provided they fight seriously like people do in real wars, would completely shit all over Turkey and everyone else in the ME. So in reality, short of sending nasty letters and making bold public statements, what can Turkey really do about it? Answer: not shit.
from the TV:
There are many things actually Turkey can do...and this on International Platforms. A good start is the UN International Law, put together an Independed Commission to investigate the issue, find out who is guilty and sue them. Thats i think what they would do for the begining.
They've also banned the importing of things like peanuts, chickens and chocolate. The World Health Organization claims to have been trying for over a year to donate $20 million in medical equipment.
...Israel's goal for Gaza was "no development, no prosperity, no humanitarian crisis." The U.N. official interpreted that to mean that Israel would provide Gaza with an intravenous drip of relief to keep its 1.5 million inhabitants alive but just barely, in hopes that the people would overthrow the Hamas government...
A Year After Israel's Offensive, Gaza Still Suffers - TIME
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If I had a banhammer, you'd have nothing to fear. The only people to live in terror are the SBT buyers with no rep/post count/itraders extorting free shit from sellers looking to make their name.
It's not right, we've got a the best SBT for webmasters on the net and some great members that can establish the credibility of new sellers.
ummm, not sure where you got that picture above but i think is from some village. If you take a look at the picture below and tell me is true, i will believe also to your picture above:
google "amish" ... they choose to live in teh stone ages
I retract the inclusion of Turkey since they aren't under sharia law.
However, all I did was google "gaza slums" "india slums" "pakistan slums" etc to get common denominators for that side of the globe. Turkey is in the ME so they warranted a picture
Here's the slums in America so you can have an apples for apples argument.
and for you UG
Once houses get in the shape that I posed for above they get condemned and people are not allowed (by law) to live in them. We set up gov't subsidized projects (think of apartments) where the ultra poor live. Crime is bad but living conditions not terrible
I know there are some rich people in the ME but from my understanding there is a massive gap between the haves & the have-nots. It's that way here, but not nearly as bi-polar.
i am new here, and from what i have experienced so far i can say this forum is the best, most relaxed buy-sell-trade place for me. Not to forget to mention, i love to spend time at "shooting the shit" section and read some stuff.
thats absolutely right, but our gov. is working hard to make the necessary changes to change this big gap atleast a little. It is natural people wants a better life, doesnt matter if muslim, christian, jewish, budist or ateist...everyone deserves a better life and standards.
someone above asked "what can turkey really do"...here is something to add: Turkey is Democratic Republic managed by Parliament, has its national assembly with over 600 deputy, which many of them are very good diplomats (not some idiots like some other countries has). As always, turkish government will use the great diplomacy to solve such issues. Turkey is fighting terorizm for much longer than Israel (almost for 35 years now), but turkish army never kills civilians, as the turkish army is build of real soldiers...not pirates.
as to the question exactly...dont forget that the turkish NAVY is the 2nd big one in NATO after US NAVY...this answers your question?
...thats was my last 5 cents.
The amount of Jewish land seized by Arabs are around 4 time the size of Israel.
Just give each refugee a fair market value of their seized land, set the rest of the disputed lands into temporary free trade zones each side can bid on and move the fuck on.
I am tired of people commenting on this stupid war over a small parcel of land where far worst things happen elsewhere. You want some land? Well, win some nobel prizes, build banks or in anyway make money, then buy land. That's the right way.
If it isn't IDF but german u bot guarding their blockade, I wonder what would have happened?
In Iran I would have to inherit all my wealth to a cousin if that cousin converted to Islam. It's kind of tricky to expect western nations to support any regime with that kind of rules.
That being said prohibiting iron and cement to enter a city is excessive.
Just give each refugee a fair market value of their seized land, set the rest of the disputed lands into temporary free trade zones each side can bid on and move the fuck on.
I am tired of people commenting on this stupid war over a small parcel of land where far worst things happen elsewhere. You want some land? Well, win some nobel prizes, build banks or in anyway make money, then buy land. That's the right way.
If it isn't IDF but german u bot guarding their blockade, I wonder what would have happened?
In Iran I would have to inherit all my wealth to a cousin if that cousin converted to Islam. It's kind of tricky to expect western nations to support any regime with that kind of rules.
That being said prohibiting iron and cement to enter a city is excessive.
That is true but there really is no reason to not let in building supplies or simple goods like butter. Unless Hamas has figured out how to build rockets from concrete and butter...
I hope you're not trying to compare the ghetto of Gaza with India and Pakistan. If so you're vastly understating the situation over there.
At least the people in India and Pakistan can hustle to make a buck. With 40-80% unemployment (who knows what the real figure is, we can agree on 'ridiculously high') the only people hustling in Gaza are the ones getting buried alive in tunnels.
watch out...interior ministry of Israel announced: frozen chickens can be a serious weapon!
Concrete, steel, building materials can be used to reinforce bunkers, rocket bases and smuggling tunnels. The more "harmless" items such as butter and so forth is used by the terrorist group Hamas to trade on the black market for more millitary worthy items.
A blockade is designed to not only keep millitary items out but to also make it hard on the citizens that put this terrorist group in power. This is the case with MANY blockades conducted by MANY countries. You make it hard on the citizens and they finally get sick of it and kick the terrorist out of power.
You sympathizers need to read something other than huffpost.
A blockade is designed to not only keep millitary items out but to also make it hard on the citizens that put this terrorist group in power. This is the case with MANY blockades conducted by MANY countries. You make it hard on the citizens and they finally get sick of it and kick the terrorist out of power.
You sympathizers need to read something other than huffpost.