Looks like America WILL have National Health Care after tonight

It's more like 50% of likely voters.
Pollster.com: Health Care Plan: Favor / Oppose

If we're talking about the will of the people, then we need to mention that polls have over 50% wanting a public option.

Depends where you take your poll numbers from. Of course liberals are going to take numbers from whatever poll favors their position and conservatives will do the same as well. One of the most reliable of polls states 41% for 54% against (as of the 21st). Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports

Rasmussen has historically been dead on with alot of their polling, so I go with them. Even if someone were to believe in the 50/50 split, ramming this shit through when half the nation is against it is pure fucked. This bloated beast of a bill is going to bankrupt us.
 


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Fuck this shit. I'm going back to Luxembourg.

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Ah HAH, today is ripe for the trolling.. HAHAHA
In celebration of this awesomeness I'm going to be eating PIZZA EVERY DAY FOR 4 YEARS.
Obama's got my back :)
 
How is public health care any different than public education? If you believe there to be a difference please make sure to explain the right to education but not to health.


Guessing your kid(s?) hasn't hit public education age yet from this statement. Once they do, imagine those morons in charge of our nations physical well being.
 
HAHAHA LOL. Let me guess, you have never left the US for a period longer then 5 days, speak no second language and have not the slightest clue how other countries health care system works.

US health care is so fucked up, I still pay for my Swiss insurance although my School requires me to carry US insurance as well. And I have lived in the US for over 3 years now.

Do you truly believe a system in which the insurance company decides if you need that Meniscus surgery on the knee that has been hurting for 3 Months, the doctor said it was necessary also 3 Months ago but the insurance was "processing" your claim for this long? Happened exactly like that to a close friend of mine. Talk about conflict of interest.

Here's how the system works in Switzerland. Health Insurance is more like car insurance. You are required to have it. You can freely choose if you want to just be insured at the bare minimum (this means no private room, and a deductible over 5k but EVERYTHING is covered and not just what pleases the insurance) which costs about $80 a month for a healthy 25 year old OR if you want to get the best coverage out there that gives you fancy private rooms in hospitals etc. for a lot more.

The Insurance NEVER decided if you need a treatment. The doctor does, as it should be. The Doc says you need to get that done asap. You get it done. The insurance pays (unless obviously you get a boob job or something alike).

There are no waiting lists for doctors, old people don't get killed like Hannity preaches, and everyone is covered at least to a point that getting sick will not ruin you.

And to all those of you that believe that under the current system the rich aren't paying for the poor: My friend lost his Job a few months ago, and then got hit by a car (not his fault). His hospital bill was over 15k and since he had no job he had no health insurance (by the way, it's retarded to tie health insurance to a job). When he got the bill he called up the hospital and told them exactly that. They said: Okay, you'll just have to pay 5k. He said look, I can't pay at all. The hospital then simply dropped the bill because it would have accrued more cost to actually try to get money from him then they would have gotten.

Now who do you think pays for his bill? The hospital simply passes along the cost to those with insurance. Ever looked at at hospital bill? They are INCREDIBLY inflated so that the hospital can make up for their losses.

So the real reason why people can't afford insurance at the moment is that the price is inflated because of people that don't have insurance. See the irony in that?

I am very opposed to systems like the one in Canada and the UK. State run health care is a bad idea. The dead loss from not having competition is much too great. Thanks to the US media though which instead of talking about the facts is pulling shit out of their ass to get viewer numbers up. Ever watched Hannity? Do you truly believe he got into his current position being as stupid as he pretends to be on his show?

The two option system is a good way to solve the conflict of interest and will bring at least some government control to the system but instead of regulation by competition. If you had taken the time you'd realize that the current system is in no way sustainable. It's not just about insuring the 30 Million uninsured, it's about fixing a system that got corrupted by law makers in order to make the biggest profit possible for insurance companies.


I agree with you on a single point, the system NEEDED to be reformed. But I want you to tell me with a straight face you would roll out one of the biggest reforms in U.S. history all at once, without testing it in certain areas first?

In case you don't understand that, let me give you a metaphor. It is similar to a campaign, you set up several creatives/ads and then you test to see which one performs the best. You don't pick out one creative, and then drop a few trillion on it, "hoping" that this "change" will work.

By the way that was a rhetorical question, you cannot honestly say the way this change went about was done in the most logical fashion, and if you say you would have done it the same way, i.e. dropping a few trillion on one ad and hoping it isn't a flop, you sir are an idiot.
 
I don't remember where I read this, but recently a read an article that said it will still take about 4 years to completely roll out.

I think it's 6 years. They will raise taxes in the next year or two though. So they basically tax us for 6 years before they start putting it into place (how do you think the CBO said it would cut costs over 10 years? Easy, tax us for 6 w/o using it, then implement it for 4 and over 10 years it's a surplus, but once you get to 15-20 years shit hits the fan)

But in reality it's just a ponzi scheme, they tax us now to pay for healthcare in 6 years, but we all know that money isn;t being put away and saved for 6 years, it's being spent now and then they will just tax us more when they need it.

Sorta works like medicare...
 
How is public health care any different than public education? If you believe there to be a difference please make sure to explain the right to education but not to health.

Is that a joke? The public school systems are a fucking joke. You can't fire teachers, they're constantly molesting students, and of course who is the biggest contributor to the Democrat Party? The teachers unions. We've already seen what happens when we let people like you run anything. But go nuts. Let's institute every single fucking program Obama wants. Might as well destroy this country immediately instead of dragging it out.