Man faces 75 years for recording cops
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You're absolutely right about post-9/11 stuff. The things you mentioned are maddening, especially because so many folks are not only okay with the state's intrusion into the lives of their neighbors, but promote it. One look at the various TSA threads reveals as much.
I was thinking about any action for which there are no direct victims. For example, carrying/smoking/dealing weed, drinking and driving, sodomy, riding a bike without a helmet, carrying a loaded firearm, etc.
In other words, do the folks in this thread believe that our rights are granted by charter? Instead of our being able to do what we please, and conducting voluntary transactions with others, we do as we're told.
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If folks believe this, their outrage strikes me as odd since any action made illegal would, in essence, be revoked by charter. If not, I hope they are equally outraged by every other law that restricts our rights.
And that's what I had hoped to uncover.
The problem I have with the above is that, if it is illegal, then it is illegal.
To say drinking and driving has no direct victims, well you are right, but .... use your common sense.
Same for carrying a loaded firearm.
If you do not like a law, change it. You have that right. But do not cry when the majority votes you down. We do have the power to change laws. The system is not broken, its the people in the system, you and I, that are broken.
You're absolutely right about post-9/11 stuff. The things you mentioned are maddening, especially because so many folks are not only okay with the state's intrusion into the lives of their neighbors, but promote it. One look at the various TSA threads reveals as much.
I was thinking about any action for which there are no direct victims. For example, carrying/smoking/dealing weed, drinking and driving, sodomy, riding a bike without a helmet, carrying a loaded firearm, etc.
In other words, do the folks in this thread believe that our rights are granted by charter? Instead of our being able to do what we please, and conducting voluntary transactions with others, we do as we're told.
Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If folks believe this, their outrage strikes me as odd since any action made illegal would, in essence, be revoked by charter. If not, I hope they are equally outraged by every other law that restricts our rights.
And that's what I had hoped to uncover.
Don't even get me started on all the fucked up crap from the post-911 security theater.
Drinking and driving isn't always a victimless crime. The other things you mentioned I agree with being victimless and it's bullshit they should even be crimes.
I also think driving should be considered a right not a privilege when entire towns are designed around the premise of everyone owning a car and being able to drive, because denying someone access to driving in a lot of cases is a financial death sentence.
Our rights are being slowly eroded away and the population seems to be okay with it. They're using the LEOs and TSA to instill fear into the population and when they encounter someone they can't force to submit they do everything in their power to ruin their lives, because it makes an "example" out of them.
Tell that to my friend who had his car so mangled you couldn't tell what it was. Oh that's right you can't, because he's dead.
Welcome to China.
If you care about freedom at all, the fight for freedom is at home, not in some other country. The only people taking our freedom is our own damn government.
Sad that the sheeple just keep allowing more and more freedoms to be taken away. What is the use of having our men and women fight in other countries for our freedom if we are going to just allow this kind of bs. I am still amazed that the patriot act has stood for as long as it has unchallenged. Apathy is a dangerous thing.
If you care about freedom at all, the fight for freedom is at home, not in some other country. The only people taking our freedom is our own damn government.
Sad that the sheeple just keep allowing more and more freedoms to be taken away. What is the use of having our men and women fight in other countries for our freedom if we are going to just allow this kind of bs. I am still amazed that the patriot act has stood for as long as it has unchallenged. Apathy is a dangerous thing.
100% spot on...except someone other than the police force would have to be the ones to review these videos. either way there is bound to be some break down in the system and some form of corruption.
They have dash cam videos. Sometimes they manage to lose them, but it never seems to be when it would help anyone, but the police.
no shit.
that was my point, common sense tells you that drinking and driving is a problem.
you missed my sarcasm apparently.
and that is why your position will never garner majority support.
It is not reasonable to allow people to drive drunk. If I know a person is drunk am I supposed to wait until they swerve into oncoming traffic before I stop them? That is ludicrous.
This is the same as saying we should not have safety rules in the workplace, after all if the guy doesn't fall or die then it is ok - right?
It is this laissez faire attitude that allowed child labor to exist.
There are limits that must be placed on society. Proactive limits.
This is also why the passionate that are against government intrusion never make any progress - they push things too far. Take lessons from your liberal counterparts, take things one "right" at a time. That is how we lost our rights, now get them back, but do it correctly, not with extreme positions that will never see the light of day.
As I said before, the system is not broken, the people are. There is no law or right or anything else for that matter that we cannot take back if we are properly organized and if the we can win majority support in the court of public opinion.
As I'm sure you suspect, I disagree with nearly every statement in your post. Let's agree to disagree. There is no way I can justify spending the time to debate these points on an online forum. The ROI doesn't back out for me.
This is the reason I drop links - to give folks resources that offer ideas that may be new to them (for example, the ideas in Rockwell's piece linked above). Even if they wholeheartedly disagree with those ideas, they have at least been exposed to them.
And that's a start.
There is a camera recording everyone of us every 15 feet. ATMs, security cameras, red light cameras, etc etc etc. Somewhere on here there was a security camera that caught a cop banging some chick on the hood of his car. So is the person who owns the camera a felon for recording that cop w/o his permission?
You're absolutely right about post-9/11 stuff. The things you mentioned are maddening, especially because so many folks are not only okay with the state's intrusion into the lives of their neighbors, but promote it. One look at the various TSA threads reveals as much.
I was thinking about any action for which there are no direct victims. For example, carrying/smoking/dealing weed, drinking and driving, sodomy, riding a bike without a helmet, carrying a loaded firearm, etc.
In other words, do the folks in this thread believe that our rights are granted by charter? Instead of our being able to do what we please, and conducting voluntary transactions with others, we do as we're told.
Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If folks believe this, their outrage strikes me as odd since any action made illegal would, in essence, be revoked by charter. If not, I hope they are equally outraged by every other law that restricts our rights.
And that's what I had hoped to uncover.
I think that most people actually believe this at their core, but they've been told so frequently that there should be limitation on their freedom that they have a tough time rationalizing what that actually means. Propaganda is extremely powerful and even the most intelligent people are susceptible to it.
What's funny is my dads generation grew up hearing how bad Russia was, because they made them show ids to travel and numerous other things. Now look what's going on here in the US.
