Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy

eh, I could less what you thought before to be honest, its no sweat off my balls. If your judging off one post of mine then that makes you no different bro.
No I'm not judging you off one post. You're probably an intelligent guy but I just find it interesting how intelligence sometimes manifests itself. I find it hard to believe people can be intelligent in most areas while holding viewpoints like these in others even though I see it all the time.
 


No I'm not judging you off one post. You're probably an intelligent guy but I just find it interesting how intelligence sometimes manifests itself. I find it hard to believe people can be intelligent in most areas while holding viewpoints like these in others even though I see it all the time.

How patronising. Perhaps it's your point of view thats wrong, ever thought of that?
 
4.3 million subway rides a day in just NYC.

Let us know when riding on the subway becomes more dangerous than going the same distance in a car or going for a walk around the block. :pimp:

Will do as this is done daily by people all over the world bro, look at china.
 
Dude, do you even know any Muslims? You realize that there are millions of WHITE MUSLIMS in the world? And they don't wear towels around their heads or carry machine guns either.

Not all rapist look like pee wee herman, not all serial killers look like jeff. daumer, and not all suicide bombers are older muslim males ( children and women too ), so whats your point?

If a white muslim was sitting next to me on the train with my kid, there would be no way I would know it. It would be risk I could not control, since I didnt see it or know about it. If I sat next to Belle Sorenson Gunness in the same train, I wouldnt know she was a serial killer either. This is risk I cant control since I dont sense it or see it upfront. Just like riding on that train and not know it was about to derail.

However, if I saw someone looking like fucking Charles Manson on the same bus, or someone middle eastern with a beard and the head dress and clothes, or if someone was wearing their Mongols or Hell's Angels jacket with a bald head, tats, and beard.. Damn straight I am not sitting next to them with my kid as I see that as a threat and risk I can avoid, weither or not that person actually does something.

^^ AND I KNOW HALF YOU HATERS WOULD NOT EITHER. Your just too pussy to admit it.

All you guys slamming me, do you fuckers have investments in mutual funds or 401k? Do you buy gold or silver? If so, Im willing to bet 99% of are all diversified in your investment allocation. Fuck just being in a mutual fund itself shows how prejudice you are to risk and try to avoid it. So if your so pussy to get into real investments and get real world experience in investing, I guess I should slam you for living like a pussy and trying to mitigate risk.

Its no different then what I am trying to do.
 
I traveled Europe for 2 years and lived in Germany and Italy myself. So, does that still make me a child or just the fact that you don't agree with me?
What makes you appear to be a child is your utopian view of the world. It's just not practical, and is likely to fuck you over hard eventually.

You know the saying, "If you're young and aren't a liberal you have no heart; and if you're Old and aren't a conservative you have no brain?" -It perfectly applies here. -Not that I strictly vote conservative or anything like that. But it's a very hippy-dippy, naive worldview indeed to stand up for muslim equality like you're doing here. In fact you're making things WORSE, and I'm sure one day you'll learn.


Thanks Pops! The problem is you think that raising kids in fear is the answer.
Wouldn't you raise a kid in fear of big dog breeds that are known to randomly attack children?

I had no such fear as a kid, my parents thought every dog alive was a blessing... Until my neighbor's chow halfway ripped her arm off when I was 13. That should have been an eye-openening lesson for her, but it wasn't. She defended the dog and it lived a ripe old age.

Fast forward 10 years and I'm still not scared of big dogs, because she was so forgiving and kind to dumb animals. My neighbor's Rottweiller seemed really nice and wagged it's little stub tail quickly as I reached across the fence to pet it calmly... I bet you can guess what happened next. I still have the scar. Thanks mom; you dog-loving bitch.

If you can't recognize they (muslims) are a RISKY group that you should be afraid of, that's one thing. It could kill you but I could personally forgiving you for thinking that way.


That is part of the problem not the solution. Fear only contributes to more hatred, violence, war...etc.
OK, yoda... Oh, excepting if you think that so-called "Fear" might save their life, of course.


Raising kids with an objective awareness would be more helpful than just telling them that every Muslim is a bad person.
Never said that, & I don't think it either. I said that Islamics are truly bad, and muslims are confused, because the koran tells them to kill and they try to mold those worlds into something that makes sense.

So I would tell a child to be wary. Some muslims may be ok; but since it takes so damn much effort to get to know one well enough to safely make that call, it's far more practical just to not put them in a position to hurt you.

I worked on a helpdesk at a fortune 500 company once with a black muslim from Somalia. At the time I knew nothing about Islam and had no fear nor wariness about him or his religion. Like with the dog, I just wasn't warned.

He tried breifly to convert all of us at the helpdesk within 3 months of starting... When you looked at his eyes while he was talking about religion he honestly looked batshit insane... But never at other times... He was pretty pleasant at those times, not someone you'd suspect as religious fanatic.

He was arrested & fired within 6 months; he never came back into work. -My boss wouldn't tell us what for, could have been drugs, terrorism, etc, I have no way of knowing. Cops picked him up in the parking lot right outside our building... So I suspect he tried to convert my boss or someone else who took it the wrong way and when they responded negatively, he threatened them... Possibly with a bomb.


I think you have me pinned all wrong. You think i'm some clueless flower twirling hippie. I understand that terrorism is a problem and it needs to be rectified as much as anyone else. The thing is, I don't blame millions upon millions of people for the actions of a minuscule fraction of that population.
Your problem is thinking it's a minuscule fraction. Read moar.

2 billion muslims, all thinking the koran (the worst hate speech on earth!) is a good book. That's some fucked up shit.
 
Dr Oz is a total quack.

'Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.'

Steven Weinberg

You obviously didn't take the time to watch the video. Too bad, you would have learned a lot.

What he basically says is that religion is really not that important. What matters is the SPIRITUALITY behind it and your own personal connection with the -1% of reality that you do not see. While he is of Muslim background, he practices transcendental meditation & reads books from a Swedish Christian mystic.

Answer this: why do you think so many people today who "seem" to have it all are unhappy? Countless amounts of people are rich, have great families, giant houses and everything someone can dream of, yet they feel an emptiness inside them, that leads them to do stupid shit sometimes like resort to drugs, alcohol abuse, gambling, cheating on their wives, etc.... Well that's a Spiritual Emptiness my friend.

What Dr Mehmet OZ (Top 50 most influential Americans, mind you!) is saying is that religion does not matter as long as you feel your personal connection with god (or call it a higher energy if you want).

Back to the topic, criticize religion all you want from your narrow-minded uncultured view, but the majority of religious people I've met through my travels in Asia were very welcoming and treated me like I was one of theirs (including Muslims!). That's one of the commandments of every religion actually.

What the media shows you is what's sensational, the 1% of fuckups that you don't want to see. If you're going to judge over a billion people based on what a few thousands are doing, you're dumb and I feel sorry for you. End of story.
 
I know this one wasn't directed at me but I'd like to take a stab at it...

Answer this: why do you think so many people today who "seem" to have it all are unhappy? Countless amounts of people are rich, have great families, giant houses and everything someone can dream of, yet they feel an emptiness inside them, that leads them to do stupid shit sometimes like resort to drugs, alcohol abuse, gambling, cheating on their wives, etc.... Well that's a Spiritual Emptiness my friend.
We Athiests know this is complete and utter BULLSHIT.

First of all there no such thing as a "spirit" but I don't expect you to believe that so I'll give you a pass on that answer.

Secondly, there are countless reasons that could cause such unhappiness... usually psychological baggage that your parents or society place upon you unknowingly. For instance, our TVs tell us that we should all look like models, but we don't, right? It's a shitty realization for most and more often than not they can't cope with it and live with a fantasy image of themselves. I bet many here do that too. -And this is just one of many such mindfucks that can make you feel like you're "spiritually" searching for something.


What Dr Mehmet OZ (Top 50 most influential Americans, mind you!) is saying is that religion does not matter as long as you feel your personal connection with god (or call it a higher energy if you want).
I would be willing to wager that the people he has influence over are among the bottom of the IQ barrel of america. -Which is in the vast majority these days. You're not going to impress anyone on WF by telling us he's influential in the US. So are our landers!

Back to the topic, criticize religion all you want from your narrow-minded uncultured view, but the majority of religious people I've met through my travels in Asia were very welcoming and treated me like I was one of theirs (including Muslims!). That's one of the commandments of every religion actually.
"Treated me like I was one of theirs" is extremely relative and if you don't see their daily lives when you are not present how the hell could you know that?

Anyway, read the their version of the Koran and get back to us with what they were really thinking before you make such claims. Odds are, if they were the kind of Muslims who read the Koran often, you'd find out that you just barely made it out of their presence alive.

What the media shows you is what's sensational, the 1% of fuckups that you don't want to see. If you're going to judge over a billion people based on what a few thousands are doing, you're dumb and I feel sorry for you.
While one cannot accurately judge over a billion people based on what a few thousands are doing, it is perfect science to compare the damage done by koran readers versus Bible or Torah readers.

Are there thousands of Christian or Jewish fundamentalists blowing the hell out of the rest of the world on a daily basis? No. Not by a long fucking shot.

ALL MUSLIMS ARE GUILTY of not stopping their religion's problem from being so damn extreme. They don't try to stop the worst among themselves like we do.

If the tables were turned and Christians were doing this same thing to them, do you think the muslim world would stand by and say; Well, I guess it's only your most extreme people killing us by the boatload daily... I have no ill will against you normal Christians who read the same bible that they do.

Fuck no; they'd rise up against christianity and kill every last christian they see, like Muslims used to back in Benjamin Franklin's day.

Shouldn't we at least demand that Muslims take matters into their own hands and stop their conflict internally? Like sanction their entire religion or something?

Shouldn't "Good" muslims WANT to stop the evil in their ranks so they themselves don't look so bad for the association?

Bottom line here is that "Good muslims" are enabling the bad ones, and never do good muslims try and stop them.

Every time a christian extremist ever murdered an abortionist, the extremist was arrested and imprisoned; meanwhile the airwaves were jammed with other Christians distancing themselves from that "lunatic," praising the fast police work to catch him. I've seen them set up christian charity funds for the family of the abortion doctor...

Not so with Muslims. Their responses, if any, are just to say, "I do not condone this attack." -Never anything stronger, never any "let's rally the mob and root out this bad dude," never any attempt to stop more attacks from happening.

The Muslim world needs an MLK.

Until they have one & he's successful and changing their hearts away from accepting the evil amongst them, it is only SMART to keep yourself and your loved ones as far away from every muslim worldwide, period. (And I bet some muslims would agree, too.)
 
Shouldn't "Good" muslims WANT to stop the evil in their ranks so they themselves don't look so bad for the association?

Bottom line here is that "Good muslims" are enabling the bad ones, and never do good muslims try and stop them.
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Let me answer this part and I'll get back to the rest later when I finish making monies online for the day...

What you're saying here simply DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to the point where it's scary that you can think like that. ALL modern Muslims (at least the ones I've met in Can/US) agree that those extremeists are fuckups and do not want anything to do with them. What else can they do? Go to war against them? Did you forget that they had their own lives, jobs & families to take care of?

Let's assume you were Christian... should Muslims accuse YOU for not doing anythings about Priests sexually abusing kids at the Vatican and in thousands of churches across the world? Huh? Tell me, why aren't YOU doing something about it instead of making monies online and drinking beer? See how your statement doesn't make sense.
 
It's like you seem to forget that Al Qaeda (and all terrorist/islamist groups) are enemies of the arab world as well, not just of the west.

I just googled this up a bit and found out that actually most Arab countries have counter-terrorism efforts in place to neutralize all these crazy Islamists, just like we do in the west.

10 terrorists killed, three arrested in Algeria - People's Daily Online

But that's not enough for you, right? You want all the modern Muslims all over the world to leave their comfortable lives, their families and jobs and go to war against the extremists so that you can sleep easy at night? Come on man, be real. If you tell me that you want to avoid traveling to countries like Pakistan or Iran that are known to have large numbers of extremists, I can understand that, but telling me that you want to avoid getting near any Muslim worldwide, that's just plain stupid and narrow-minded. It's an insult to all Muslims that have helped build America.
 
ALL MUSLIMS ARE GUILTY of not stopping their religion's problem from being so damn extreme. They don't try to stop the worst among themselves like we do.....
...Shouldn't we at least demand that Muslims take matters into their own hands and stop their conflict internally? Like sanction their entire religion or something?

Shouldn't "Good" muslims WANT to stop the evil in their ranks so they themselves don't look so bad for the association?

Bottom line here is that "Good muslims" are enabling the bad ones, and never do good muslims try and stop them.

Every time a christian extremist ever murdered an abortionist, the extremist was arrested and imprisoned; meanwhile the airwaves were jammed with other Christians distancing themselves from that "lunatic," praising the fast police work to catch him. I've seen them set up christian charity funds for the family of the abortion doctor...

Not so with Muslims. Their responses, if any, are just to say, "I do not condone this attack." -Never anything stronger, never any "let's rally the mob and root out this bad dude," never any attempt to stop more attacks from happening.

The Muslim world needs an MLK.

Until they have one & he's successful and changing their hearts away from accepting the evil amongst them, it is only SMART to keep yourself and your loved ones as far away from every muslim worldwide, period. (And I bet some muslims would agree, too.)

A muslim MLK would be nice :)

It's like you seem to forget that Al Qaeda (and all terrorist/islamist groups) are enemies of the arab world as well, not just of the west.

I just googled this up a bit and found out that actually most Arab countries have counter-terrorism efforts in place to neutralize all these crazy Islamists, just like we do in the west.

10 terrorists killed, three arrested in Algeria - People's Daily Online

But that's not enough for you, right? You want all the modern Muslims all over the world to leave their comfortable lives, their families and jobs and go to war against the extremists so that you can sleep easy at night? Come on man, be real. If you tell me that you want to avoid traveling to countries like Pakistan or Iran that are known to have large numbers of extremists, I can understand that, but telling me that you want to avoid getting near any Muslim worldwide, that's just plain stupid and narrow-minded. It's an insult to all Muslims that have helped build America.

I hear ya. Blame the US media for this. Part of the problem here (in the US) is that the media fails to report this enough. There's this general impression here in the States that Muslim countries/govts/leaders, etc, aren't doing much in trying to stop the terrorists.
 
You people are idiots. Christian families burn, behead, drown, and bludgeon their -own- children for religious reasons every year. Bad shit happens, get over it.

Christians nuked Japan, Christians are responsible for the holocaust, Christians are responsible for apartheid, Christians were behind the Spanish inquisition, Christians trained Osama Bin Laden, Christian drug lords are responsible for over 20,000 murders every year, etc, etc, etc.

Get some perspective.


You're the one who started the Internet tough guy shit. Shut the fuck up.

This.
 
What you're saying here simply DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to the point where it's scary that you can think like that.
It's scary that I can think that they should impose the same rules upon themselves as we impose upon our society?

Just because their cops/miliatary/people who fight Islam over there are still fighting doesn't mean they should be rewarded yet with equality to the rest of the world that bested their demons long ago.

ALL modern Muslims (at least the ones I've met in Can/US) agree that those extremeists are fuckups and do not want anything to do with them.
I can say the same thing about Christians or Jews. The difference is that their extremists don't kill thousands of people every single month. Every. Month. Without. Fail. Ever... For Centuries now, likely MILLENNIA.

They are pure Evil on this earth, and ALL MUSLIMS hold in high regard the making of that evil: The koran... Which gives them direct and explicit instructions to kill us all throughout 19% of it's pages.

What else can they do? Go to war against them? Did you forget that they had their own lives, jobs & families to take care of?
Fuckin' A they should go to war against their extremists!

The fact that they WON'T do it should tell you what lies in their hearts...

EVIL & SELFISHNESS.

Fuck them all.... Bunch of damn monkeys with pointy sticks...


Let's assume you were Christian...
That would be quite a challenge, but ok, I'll play...


...should Muslims accuse YOU for not doing anythings about Priests sexually abusing kids at the Vatican and in thousands of churches across the world? Huh? Tell me, why aren't YOU doing something about it instead of making monies online and drinking beer?
Probably because our problem here doesn't KILL THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE OUT THERE EVERY MONTH!!!!

There is a world of difference between letting our preists feel up some of _____OUR_______ little boys and their soldiers going out into the world and blowing up Thousands of people monthly, many who have nothing against Islam like yourself.

If I were a christian, and I strongly believed in Christ yet other christians went out and Targeted others for destruction thousands of times every month, giving all of us christians a bad name, I'd have exactly two choices:

1. Stop the people that are fucking up my religion.

2. Change religions.


These really are the only choices EVERY LAST SINGLE MUSLIM has to make.

Those muslims that choose not to make this choice are part of the problem.

They are primative, scared little monkeys that are IN THE FUCKING WAY because we can't attack the real problem directly... We have to be all "PC" about the rest of the muslims and can't send in nukes or ground troops...


I hear ya. Blame the US media for this. Part of the problem here (in the US) is that the media fails to report this enough. There's this general impression here in the States that Muslim countries/govts/leaders, etc, aren't doing much in trying to stop the terrorists.
The media is a problem anywhere. But numbers like the 17 THOUSAND Jihad attacks killing roughly 17 MILLION people worldwide since 9/11 is just so far past ridiculous... It makes HITLER look like an AMETEUR...

I mean, what does it take?? What if they kill a Even BILLION people... Will that do it? Far more than we could kill with nukes? What about Half the world's population??? Should we start to get a little concerned then?

SERIOUS fucking measures must be taken... Or you may personally be very sorry one day. (Like when they blow up a plane in the US daily and your children are on it...)
 
You people are idiots. Christian families burn, behead, drown, and bludgeon their -own- children for religious reasons every year. Bad shit happens, get over it.

Christians nuked Japan, Christians are responsible for the holocaust, Christians are responsible for apartheid, Christians were behind the Spanish inquisition, Christians trained Osama Bin Laden, Christian drug lords are responsible for thousands of murders every year, etc, etc, etc.

Get some perspective.
You sir, are the idiot.

You want Perspective?

Last month Christians didn't kill anyone. Can you name someone killed by a Christian last month in a religiously-motivated attack?

Didn't think so.

Last month, ISLAM-MOTIVATED Jihadists murdered 907 people in 152 Jihad Attacks throughout 19 Countries and Critically Injured 1603 other people, according to reports from the media. (So of course it's a very small number compared to reality since many murders there don't even get reported to the cops, much less the press.)

...It was a slow month for them.

Hitler only killed about 6 million people. ...Amateur.

Since 9/11/01, Jihadists have killed almost THREE TIMES Hitler's amount, and they've been killing infidels since LONG before the crusades... Millennia of no mercy towards non-muslims.

How's that for perspective? That could be a TRILLION Murders so far!

As for your accrediting all those things above on Christians; that's so laughable it's sickening that you can think it. I do not think Hitler and the drug lords you mentioned killed all those people for religious reasons. That was all about power. Nor was the bomb dropped on japan for religious reasons. They bombed the shit out of us first while we were trying to mind our own business.

We didn't make Osama for religious purposes; that was because Charlie Wilson wanted to defeat the soviets. Apartheid was racial, not religious.

As for the inquisition; well at least they kept that shit in Europe. That was a small case of housecleaning compared to what Islam has done to this whole world. Your arguments here today are all a joke. You'd better get to reading before you put yourself in danger, fool.
 
A hot debates folks. Here is my point of view, ideology, culture and religion are all excellent weapons for creating solidarity because of their transcendental and messianic values. But as weapons, they are used for external interests, not for themselves. When the external interests are achieved, they might be used for other strategic interests, which, in the case of geopolitical change, could turn allies into enemies. So, Ideological or religious motives, of course, exist. However, they only occur at the micro, or individual level. Religion or ideology is just a tool that is hijacked to recruit and motivate people and to create solidarity with the perpetrators to whom it gives an air of legitimacy. These conflicts are presented as ideological or religious campaigns in order to inspire followers (like much of us here who using FB or Twit), legitimate the war as a “just war”, and attract allies, etc. As my buddy's thought, that is why we need to use rational strategic analysis to enable us to acknowledge potentially violent conflict that is about to arise, so we can find a way to prevent it. But if we only employ a cultural framework (an approach that sees the psycho-religious-cultural variables influentially shaping the actions of a person or a group), we would walk in circles (the evil's circle), without ever learning how to solve the violence.

Human dignity still in a long..long way...
We respect all human being no matter who, where, and what they are...
We will fight all form of the violence against humanity...
no matter who, where, and what they are...

(my private 'footnote' of Erich Fromm's the History of Human Destructiveness)
 
You sir, are the idiot.

You want Perspective?

Last month Christians didn't kill anyone. Can you name someone killed by a Christian last month in a religiously-motivated attack?

Didn't think so.

Last month, ISLAM-MOTIVATED Jihadists murdered 907 people in 152 Jihad Attacks throughout 19 Countries and Critically Injured 1603 other people, according to reports from the media. (So of course it's a very small number compared to reality since many murders there don't even get reported to the cops, much less the press.)

...It was a slow month for them.

Hitler only killed about 6 million people. ...Amateur.

Since 9/11/01, Jihadists have killed almost THREE TIMES Hitler's amount, and they've been killing infidels since LONG before the crusades... Millennia of no mercy towards non-muslims.

How's that for perspective? That could be a TRILLION Murders so far!


You don't have a clue do you?

"That could be a TRILLION Murders so far" Run the population numbers since Islam became a religion, good luck making that claim work.

I don't have time for a history lesson, but you must have missed every book ever written on history.

'kept that shit in Europe"? I take it your map lacks Latin America? Missed the day in 3rd grade learning about the whole sale slaughter of the indigenous population, did you?

Please, source your count of 18 million people murdered in the last ten years by Islamic extremists. Otherwise, I get to make shit up too...

Last month you raped your mom. By your system of logic, it must be true unless -you- can prove I am incorrect.

Ever hear of the Treaty of Medina? Pretty big deal - you know, to people who don't make shit up because they are little girls afraid of the muslim boogey man.
 
I'd have exactly two choices:

1. Stop the people that are fucking up my religion.

2. Change religions.


These really are the only choices EVERY LAST SINGLE MUSLIM has to make.

Those muslims that choose not to make this choice are part of the problem.

They are primative, scared little monkeys that are IN THE FUCKING WAY because we can't attack the real problem directly... We have to be all "PC" about the rest of the muslims and can't send in nukes or ground troops...

How can you not see that what you're saying here does not make sense? Come on man. Terrorism is too BIG of a problem right now, the good muslims can't possibly solve it by themselves, nor should they take the blame. Like the above poster said, the US has provided high-class training and weaponry to Ben Laden and his troops to fight the Russians. Look what happens now! It's a double-edged sword. It's not the Arab countries that are responsible for making Al Qaeda so powerful. The Talibans were nothing before the CIA trained them!

Let's get back to your 2 choices there...

You're basically saying a good and smart Muslim like dr OZ should stop his job (performing 200 critical heart surgeries a year in the US!) and leave his family to go fight terrorists worldwide? Does this make sense to you?

As you can see from recent news, some Muslim countries are trying their best to get rid of terrorists/extremists in their territory, and remember that serious counter-terrorism efforts only started after 2001, so barely 10 years.

Anyhow, like I said, it became an international problem the moment the CIA trained Al Qaeda. It's just too big now... I saw a documentary last week on Discovery Channel saying that Al Qaeda infiltrated every single Muslim country in the past 20 years and recruited amongst the poor, the jobless, the fed-up & rebellious youth (since the economy was fucked up everywhere they didn't have trouble finding recruits!). The cancer has spread now. It's the world's problem... and America has a bigger part in this than other countries, for obvious reasons.