My Sarcastic UNION remark

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:pimp:Damn those Unions... Are they completely off their rocker... How Dare they demand a livable wage...2 weeks vacation...sick leave.... and God forbid... Health Insurance. Dont these little insignificant surfs realize their supposed to bow down to an economic system where the TOP Richest families owns more wealth than 60% of Americans...I for one wont sleep until these little working slaves are making 5 cents an hour with no benefits... and they better get used to their Homes being a wet soggy cardboard box... they make me SICK !!!!!!!
 


WTF? There is a difference in demanding FREE health care and demanding health care like the rest of us get. Those Union workers get all rioty when you tell them to just pay 2% of their health care.

Oh yea, and it is the rich families that are providing the jobs for these fools to have in the first place.
 
WTF? There is a difference in demanding FREE health care and demanding health care like the rest of us get. Those Union workers get all rioty when you tell them to just pay 2% of their health care.

You know shit is backwards when I pay a portion of taxes that help fund maternity coverage for others, while private health insurance (the type I have to get as I'm self employed) doesn't include it.
 
If I was an employer with employee's that tried to make a union and strike I would fire all those little bitches for not working
 
You know shit is backwards when I pay a portion of taxes that help fund maternity coverage for others, while private health insurance (the type I have to get as I'm self employed) doesn't include it.

Shit is backwards for sure when I pay for peoples health insurance that I can't use myself
 
Fuck 'em. Robots will build our houses and take out our trash soon.

Plus I never liked the idea of gathering a large force of people with a "give us what we want or else" point of view. Unions, what a joke. You work hard, you get paid. Not otherwise.

I'm going over the scenarios of what would happen with unions in Russia [motherland] - and they all end with funny and probably public violent scenarios.

Oh, oh and don't ever get me started on teachers unions in America. Fuck you, you mouthbreathing skinwastes.
 
Fuck 'em. Robots will build our houses and take out our trash soon.

Plus I never liked the idea of gathering a large force of people with a "give us what we want or else" point of view. Unions, what a joke. You work hard, you get paid. Not otherwise.

I'm going over the scenarios of what would happen with unions in Russia [motherland] - and they all end with funny and probably public violent scenarios.

Oh, oh and don't ever get me started on teachers unions in America. Fuck you, you mouthbreathing skinwastes.

People have no choice but to make demands when corporations have more power than government bodies and treat their employees like garbage. Yeah, unions can get greedy and make stupid demands, but their greed is nothing compared to that of their employers. You think Wal-Mart employees are getting their just dues? Please.

Like I said, unions have their own problems in practice because people tend to act like assholes when they assemble in groups, but the idea of workers standing up to their employers when they get taken advantage of is nothing to get pissed about. Large corporations cut costs wherever they possibly can, and more often than not that means making the bottom of the food chain suffer.

Also, have you ever attended a public school? Budget cuts prevent them from doing their job and classrooms full of social rejects don't listen to a word they say. I don't blame them for demanding higher wages and more benefits, they got a college education just to be yanked around by the "mouthbreathing skinwastes" of today's youth, its degrading.

My stance: Unions are a great idea on paper, but unions in practice just get stupid and greedy.
 
People have no choice but to make demands when corporations have more power than government bodies and treat their employees like garbage. Yeah, unions can get greedy and make stupid demands, but their greed is nothing compared to that of their employers. You think Wal-Mart employees are getting their just dues? Please.

Actually they do have a choice, go work somewhere else if you don't like how you're being treated by your employer. Employers need employees as much as employees need jobs. I know 2 people who work for Wal-Mart and they're happy, satisfied employees. If they weren't they'd go find a better job.

Like I said, unions have their own problems in practice because people tend to act like assholes when they assemble in groups, but the idea of workers standing up to their employers when they get taken advantage of is nothing to get pissed about. Large corporations cut costs wherever they possibly can, and more often than not that means making the bottom of the food chain suffer.

Again if employees don't like it they can find another job. They don't HAVE to work for anyone. If large corps cut pay/benefits/whatever and employees don't like it then they can leave. This isn't a communist country yet.

Also, have you ever attended a public school? Budget cuts prevent them from doing their job and classrooms full of social rejects don't listen to a word they say. I don't blame them for demanding higher wages and more benefits, they got a college education just to be yanked around by the "mouthbreathing skinwastes" of today's youth, its degrading.

They went to college to be teachers, they knew teachers didn't make jack shit for pay, yet they still did it... They deserve what they get, and what they signed up for. Again if they don't like it they can choose another career path or go work for a Private school that pays better.

My stance: Unions are a great idea on paper, but unions in practice just get stupid and greedy.

Unions were a good idea 80-100 years ago when we didn't have such a robust economy. When you really didn't have a choice who you worked for. It's an outdated model that keeps lazy fuckers in high paying positions doing nothing all damn day.
 
^While I disagree, you make some very valid points.

While the "If you don't like it, leave" argument certainly stands it's own ground, not everyone can be an internet entrepreneur or make money without menial labor. Some people just don't have enough talent/ambition to move up in the world, but they certainly shouldn't be punished for it.

As someone who used to work at a dollar store for slave wages and moved up in the world using my own personal strengths to find success on my own, my pity for them has lessened. Still, I just can't support corporate greed in any form with a good conscience, we at this forum certainly benefit from it as affiliates, but when the higher-ups are giving themselves outrageous bonuses for doing very little work while the grunts who put in all the effort are getting financially fucked, I just cant find justification for it.

That said, having a salary at all shouldn't be taken for granted.
 
^While I disagree, you make some very valid points.

While the "If you don't like it, leave" argument certainly stands it's own ground, not everyone can be an internet entrepreneur or make money without menial labor. Some people just don't have enough talent/ambition to move up in the world, but they certainly shouldn't be punished for it.

And that's who's problem again? Oh yeah, their problem. They do a shit job, they get shit wages. These people aren't mentally retarded they're just lazy/unmotivated/apathetic. In fact many of them will be replaced by machines in the near future because its just mindless repetitive work. They have no desire to improve their life through their own actions. It's not punishment, it's work for pay. You have a menial job, you get menial pay.

As someone who used to work at a dollar store for slave wages and moved up in the world using my own personal strengths to find success on my own, my pity for them has lessened. Still, I just can't support corporate greed in any form with a good conscience, we at this forum certainly benefit from it as affiliates, but when the higher-ups are giving themselves outrageous bonuses for doing very little work while the grunts who put in all the effort are getting financially fucked, I just cant find justification for it.

That said, having a salary at all shouldn't be taken for granted.

I've worked some shit jobs for shit pay too in my life. I realized it sucked ass and I did something about it other than bitching about it and demanding more pay for less work. Corporate greed? Gimme a break. You sound like a minimum wage employee. How do you know what the "higher-ups" do? It's obvious you've never managed a company before. It's your ass on the chopping block when shit goes wrong. It's your ass who gets fired when your $6/hr employee jerks off in the secret sauce. It's your ass on the line when profits aren't up. Your the person customers berate, scream at and blame when shit isn't right. It's you working into the wee hours of the night just to keep those ungrateful monkeys employed.

If you're tired of taking shit from people above you do something besides cry like a baby about how they get paid so much more than you.
 
Also, have you ever attended a public school? Budget cuts prevent them from doing their job and classrooms full of social rejects don't listen to a word they say. I don't blame them for demanding higher wages and more benefits, they got a college education just to be yanked around by the "mouthbreathing skinwastes" of today's youth, its degrading.

My stance: Unions are a great idea on paper, but unions in practice just get stupid and greedy.

I know a spare 2 hours are tough to find in the IM life :cool: but if you have time - this is a good'un.

Waiting for 'Superman' (2010) - IMDb

Budget's their excuse like "I DONT HAVE TIME" is the fat people excuse. It's bullshit. It's ineffective teachers, and teachers who plain don't fucking do shit all in class that are the problem. But union protect all.

I went through the public school system a few years ago [the reason I got into IM, out of sheer boredom] - and it's pretty bad indeed.

Either way - I agree, unions do get greedy and turn corrupt, and it doesn't take long. A couple of guys who manage a "team, union" workforce lining their pockets is no different from a corp boardroom with a couple of guys using everyone to line their pockets.
 
Still, I just can't support corporate greed in any form with a good conscience

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"Corporate greed" is little more than an expression of self-interest (or, if you prefer, selfishness). A lot of people think of it as distasteful - thanks, in large part, to state propaganda - but it leads to positive outcomes in a society based on voluntary exchange. It can also lead to negative outcomes as the result of state coercion.

When folks make voluntary arrangements with each other, they are driven by their self-interest. Both parties want to make their lives better in some way. If either party is made worse, we can assume the exchange would not occur.*

Here's an example. Let's say I go into Starbucks to get of cup of coffee. A "venti" costs $2.15. I am willing to exchange that amount of money for the coffee. Starbucks is willing to exchange to coffee (plus labor, materials, insurance, utility payments, etc.) for the cash.

My life is made better by the exchange. It's safe to say the exchange works out toward a better end for Starbucks, too (for their employees, shareholders, contractors, etc.). Both parties are driven by self-interest, and both parties come out the other end better for it, according to their own evaluation. (Yes, even if their battery acid ends up killing me.)

What is true on a small scale should be true on a larger scale. And indeed, we can see that in our daily lives. We enjoy products from Apple, Microsoft, Toyota, and Google due to "corporate greed," or self-interest. We enjoy haircuts, manicures, and massages due to the vendors' self-interest and the "greed" of the companies for which they work. We enjoy this forum because a company made the server, and another company sold the space, etc.

Now, on to labor. Labor is essentially a product sold by the employee to the employer. In a society based on voluntary exchange, we can assume the employee has no better options (based on his personal assessment of self-interest) than the one he now enjoys. That assessment might include salary, vacation time, location, and other perks.

If the employer, the other party in the exchange, is coerced into paying his staff more, giving more vacation time, or extending numerous perks and benefits, he will consider other options. He must to pursue his self-interest. That might include cutting hours, eliminating jobs, etc. If such options exist, he is likely to take them.

Unions, by themselves, are fine as long as they do not use aggression. They are a platform where employees and employers can negotiate based on their respective self-interest. Of course, the history of unions is riddled with laws, violence, and other acts of aggressive coercion. That's bad for everyone, even if the results are difficult to see on the surface.

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* Yes, there are exceptions, such as one party's kid being held for ransom, but that takes us of way off the path. Let's ignore such exceptions.
 
I was about to walk out when I read this, so I did not have time to read the replies.

Being a manager to union employees I have to tell you the union is not there for the people.

Prime example, one of the guys got hired for $19/hr as a trial, and he was going to get bumped to $25/hr if he performed well. This happened 6 months before I became his boss. I show up, union kicks in. The guy is doing better than any other regular tech in my staff. I ask HR to give him the proper money he should be making. HR says they can't. Union rules say he only gets a raise when everyone else does.

Bottom line he is making now $5 than everyone else, he needs to wait for another 3 years to hit the $25/hr cap which is where everyone else is already making.

Now from my perspective here is how it works. The union promotes mediocrity. Why? Because if you are busting your ass or you are a lazy ass you still make...the same amount of money and get the same raises.

Would you work hard if no matter what you did the person right next to you worked half as much as you did but still ended up with the same money as you? To make things even worse if you are new and kicking ass the older guys can bump you. Schedule wise a more senior guy can kick you off your shift.

As an idea it made sense but like communism in practice it sucks. I have had 6 of my guys ask me for ways to get out of the union, they hate it. The thing is if you get out of the union you still pay union dues and get none of the benefits so basically no one can leave.
 
I was about to walk out when I read this, so I did not have time to read the replies.

Being a manager to union employees I have to tell you the union is not there for the people.

Prime example, one of the guys got hired for $19/hr as a trial, and he was going to get bumped to $25/hr if he performed well. This happened 6 months before I became his boss. I show up, union kicks in. The guy is doing better than any other regular tech in my staff. I ask HR to give him the proper money he should be making. HR says they can't. Union rules say he only gets a raise when everyone else does.

Bottom line he is making now $5 than everyone else, he needs to wait for another 3 years to hit the $25/hr cap which is where everyone else is already making.

Now from my perspective here is how it works. The union promotes mediocrity. Why? Because if you are busting your ass or you are a lazy ass you still make...the same amount of money and get the same raises.

Would you work hard if no matter what you did the person right next to you worked half as much as you did but still ended up with the same money as you? To make things even worse if you are new and kicking ass the older guys can bump you. Schedule wise a more senior guy can kick you off your shift.

As an idea it made sense but like communism in practice it sucks. I have had 6 of my guys ask me for ways to get out of the union, they hate it. The thing is if you get out of the union you still pay union dues and get none of the benefits so basically no one can leave.
Yeah this kind of thing really pisses me off. I can see the need for unions in certain types of situations, but this just..... ugh, it pisses me off.