Obama Destroying The Internet!! What He Told The FCC To Do Will Have You Raging!
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Do you get drunk before you post? All of your replies are always so backwards.
The .gov has bad intentions with this. They see a cash grab here and im sure have other sinister plans. Everything this administration has done has pretty much been a scam / scandal.
Get ready to be squeezed out of internet business, then. FCC Cronies will start regulating all the shit that can be posted on the internet. I can see FCC licensing to start your own business. Yay, more fees and regulations.
Terrible idea
Terrible idea
The scariest part of this is that someone has to watch for compliance, giving Big G more opportunity to snoop. From Forbes:
It's a complex issue because of the lack of choice on internet services, but FCC jumping in is a scary fucking thought and Title II isn't the answer.
When your freedom to choose is taken away, you can rest assured in any situation that what you receive will not be that great.
If I want to drive without being harassed, I have to go the DMV. I have no choice. The DMV is awful.
If I want to buy a cell phone, I have many choices. Many cell phones are amazing.
As much fun as that would be, I save my drinking for gaming.
The people who believe the government fucks everything up are just as ill-informed as the people who believe the government must protect us from everything. Balance is required, because carriers WILL fuck up the internet for their own bottom line. It's already starting with ISP tolls being charged to sites like Netflix.
Once bandwidth speeds improve using wireless devices, big cable companies will have to bow to the competition. Google is blasting big cable in communities with their fiber ISP's. They'll be growing too.
It's a matter of waiting it out. The mistake of going to a government regulated entity is forever. The mistake of big ISP's trying to throttle the internet will be short lived.
I didn't know this was such a debate. I *thought* the government was pretty much trying to keep things as is, while cable companies on the other hand doing their usual monopoly bullshit. Maybe I'm wrong.
Is the stuff Obama is posing making big pro-gov't changes or is he just trying to cockblock cable companies?
Sidenote: For those who are doing the free market arguing itt, that's bullshit. This is a monopoly scenario. The battle is for who controls & eventually what matters for the public is the intentions of who controls.
Is the stuff Obama is posing making big pro-gov't changes or is he just trying to cockblock cable companies?
Sidenote: For those who are doing the free market arguing itt, that's bullshit. This is a monopoly scenario. The battle is for who controls & eventually what matters for the public is the intentions of who controls.
The loss of net neutrality will mean that ISP's will now be making choices for you. How is that different than the government making choices?
While competition and consumer demand typically force companies to make changes in favor of their customers (giving them choice), I really don't believe it'll apply here. All new fees imposed by ISP's will be charged to content providers, and not passed on to customers of the ISP's. With no change to their costs, customers of the ISP's won't push for changes.
Phone companies have a long and storied history of fucking over consumers. Government intervention over the years has actually been a benefit to the consumer over the years, leading to better service and better prices.
I don't like government interfering in business. Believe me, they do way too much of it here in Canada. But I really think that net neutrality needs to be protected.
The state doesn't screw everything up. It leaves a few things alone.
Net neutrality is a complex issue precisely because of the old rules governing spectrum management. Even if we assume the rules put in place back in the 20s were a good idea for preventing signal interference, they're sorely outdated.* Worse, those rules established a precedent of state ownership of spectrum rights.
That precedent affects every state decision concerning the internet. With spectrum ownership comes the right to decide how the pipes are used. That of course includes all decisions related to net neutrality.
Net neutrality is going to happen. There's no fighting it since the state has major incentives to implement it. If it doesn't happen today, it'll happen tomorrow.
I'm disinterested in the issue since, when it comes to spectrum, we're not actually talking about private property. The state usurped control generations ago. That being the case, the original framework that makes net neutrality possible today are more fascinating to me.
That and the fact that folks have faith in politicians, but that's a different ballgame.
* For anyone interested, here's a thoughtful treatment of the issue: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~faulhabe/SPECTRUM_MANAGEMENTv51.pdf
Who do you think caused this monopoly situation? The government meddling is the cause of the monopoly and lack of competition. All further regulation will do is make stronger more powerful cartels
You have a good point. Government probably created the Cable monopoly stuff. However, that damage has already been done. Its kinda like a sunk cost at this point.
Moving forward its choosing the lesser of 2 evils. Everyone has a gripe about each group, but what'll net us a better scenario in the future? Really, what are the intentions of each control group?
Cable Companies: Charge people more $. Maybe they'll innovate something along the way. Or maybe they'll just charge more and laugh all the way to the bank.
Government: (I don't have answer, but their track record in handling anything sucks. I genuinely thought they were just trying to keep net neutrality as is. Are they trying to insert some new clauses that allow them to do some serious leveraging of sensorship/private data or something?)
If not now, then they will later. I'd rather pay more money then have the government get involved. Government intervention in anything is almost a guaranteed way to royally fuck it up.
I'd say the only time they don't royally fuck things up is when their goal is to fuck shit up.
Sunken costs? Move on? The solution is to bust up the monopolies. Deregulate the cable industry, deregulate all 'utilities' and let the free market sort it out. I promise anything short of that will destroy the Internet as we know it.
On a side note did you know small local communities are being blocked all over the country from creating their own isp's. It's all connected and its all caused from government intervention.
Ask your congressman to repeal the patriot act
Yea I agree, just that's irrelevant because that won't happen. These big companies make the rules, and they won't just 'X' themselves out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oBo8CJxatQ
George Carlin's speech basically sums up my opinion of everything politics. So I move on.
one simple reason. if the companies try to bully you, there can easily be another company just offering a better service.
when the government bullies you, they bully you period
I can't believe on a forum of people who make their money online most of them are so ideological that they want to get rid of net neutrality which would directly impact in a negative way their ability to make money. You guys are fucking stupid or intentionally ignorant to be able to maintain your ideological views.
If you don't understand why, I can't imagine anyone having such amazing powers to communicate to make you fucktards understand.
Fuck your ideology, and your 'perfect world scenarios'. If current 'deregulation' happens, it would raise the barriers of entry for 99.999999% of us. Unless you are balling in the 9 digit range, you too would be screwed.
BTW, when people talk about 'deregulation' they don't really mean it based on the meaning of the word.
I've NEVER heard the word deregulation mean anything other than:
"No rules for big boys, TONS of rules for little guys"
LOL at utility deregulation. Anyone here ever read the smartest guys in the room? Yeah, words and concepts are awesome. They allow the powerful to sell changes that will screw over YOU the masses (if you aren't 9+ figures, you are the masses, just a higher level) in a way that is palatable to them.
In 1950: Fighting communism
In 2010: Free markets
(I'm actually against communism and in favor of free markets, but those words are NEVER used by anyone powerful to represent the true dictionary meaning of the word - Every free market rule, every 'fight against communism' is just a form of fascism/crony capitalism dressed in silk)
Oh, and of course the gov is doing it for their own sinister purposes. But I'll take the lesser of two evils every time. Of course I prefer TRUE free markets, but that isn't an option here; get over it.
If you don't understand why, I can't imagine anyone having such amazing powers to communicate to make you fucktards understand.
Fuck your ideology, and your 'perfect world scenarios'. If current 'deregulation' happens, it would raise the barriers of entry for 99.999999% of us. Unless you are balling in the 9 digit range, you too would be screwed.
BTW, when people talk about 'deregulation' they don't really mean it based on the meaning of the word.
I've NEVER heard the word deregulation mean anything other than:
"No rules for big boys, TONS of rules for little guys"
LOL at utility deregulation. Anyone here ever read the smartest guys in the room? Yeah, words and concepts are awesome. They allow the powerful to sell changes that will screw over YOU the masses (if you aren't 9+ figures, you are the masses, just a higher level) in a way that is palatable to them.
In 1950: Fighting communism
In 2010: Free markets
(I'm actually against communism and in favor of free markets, but those words are NEVER used by anyone powerful to represent the true dictionary meaning of the word - Every free market rule, every 'fight against communism' is just a form of fascism/crony capitalism dressed in silk)
Oh, and of course the gov is doing it for their own sinister purposes. But I'll take the lesser of two evils every time. Of course I prefer TRUE free markets, but that isn't an option here; get over it.
