Obama Signs law giving him Lifetime Secret Service
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You might want to re-read the Second Amendment. It says:
If you read the first part (and not just the second) you notice that it has the phrase, "well regulated."
So, the wording seems to imply, and the courts have upheld, that that means "disciplined" or "trained" which gun owners, mostly, are not.
http://youtu.be/_YY5Rj4cQ50
Any stats that most gun owners aren't well trained?
I don't cling to the constitution.
But it is about the only defense I have against statists who for whatever reason insist that the Government needs to continuously add more bullshit rules and regulations to my life.
MOAR Government!
Just stay the fuck out of my personal business and I'll happily do the same. I'm sick of people thinking we need the most corrupt organization in the history of mankind to do our thinking for us.
EDIT: Not sure why I can't embed that.
Yes, because it takes 30 seconds to conduct a background check to contact:
- Your state's Attorney General's office
- US Department of Justice
- Local courts to check for restraining orders
Actually, the NRA has fought to cut funding for a national database that could be checked. The creation of the database was signed into law under Bush and supported by the NRA but since passage, the NRA has lobbied pretty heavily to make sure that it isn't funded so it cannot be rolled out.
Of the money that was authorized to spend on building the database out, only 5.3% of it has been authorized by Congress since 2007.
I'm always a little confused by threads like this. The national database is a good idea. It's targeted at people with criminal histories and mental illnesses. Why is the NRA fighting it?
Or why is the NRA against efforts to curb people on the FBI Terrorist Watch List from buying guns? Over 71% of NRA members favor keeping people on the FBI Terrorist Watch List from owning guns but the NRA opposes it.
You know you're riding a little too far to the right when former president George HW Bush resigns as a lifetime member of your organization in an angry letter slamming the head of your organization as slanderer and nut job.
I like guns. I have nothing against guns or private citizens owning guns but the NRA and people who refuse to have a rational discussion of the real issues around gun control are just beyond my ability to comprehend.
BTW, all of you pro-NRA types . . . you are aware the NRA was originally formed to support gun control laws, aren't you? One of the NRA's original purposes was to support the ban of machine guns by private citizens. They later supported gun control laws proposed under Pres. Johnson after the Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. killings.
Somewhere between 1968 and today they've evolved into one of the most far right organizations in the US.
I usually love Penn and Teller but if you look at the Second Amendment it went through several different revisions before being passed by the States. Pinning everything on a comma.
And one could easily make the counter-argument that while the Amendment states the specific reason why a state needs a well regulated militia, there is no reason given as to why individuals would need to bear arms.
Again, I actually support the Second Amendment and have no problem with guns in the hands of private citizens. However, I do think that, as a society, we have to get beyond the rhetoric about jack-booted police thugs busting down your door and taking your guns from you.
The vast majority of arguments on each side of the debate are silly. Pointing at Japan as an example of the success of gun control is as stupid as claiming that arming teachers is a good deterrent to a guy with an AR-15.
And, if you think the US government is the most corrupt organization of all time, I suggest you get a passport and travel more often.
I can do simple math. You take the number of gun owners and the number of shooting ranges/training schools and you can quickly ascertain that if everyone was getting the amount of training required to responsibly handle and own a firearm, either the parking lots would be at max capacity or there would be a buttload more training schools.
But then again, being a vet, and having been trained in a variety of weapons, maybe my standards for properly trained are higher.
I have nothing to say about the NRA, they're a racket as far as I'm concerned.
But a national database is a horrible idea.
You're a vet. Did you see combat? Any possibility of PTSD? Do you ever question the motives of anything the Government does (paranoia)?
Have you, or are you associated with anyone who's ever been prescribed SSRI's? Anyone diagnosed with ADD or depression? No?
Do you engage in "thrill seeking" behavior like skydiving or mountain biking?
Are you married? How many relationships have you had? With whom?
Do you drink? Ever had a speeding ticket? What do you do for a living, do you work in isolation?
Would you want to answer dumb fucking questions like that in order to get a license to own a gun?
Think I'm exaggerating?
Do you know what qualifies you to be put on a DHS/FBI watch list?
In case you think I'm making this up, here's the DHS "Terrorist Threat To The Homeland Reporting Guide"... http://info.publicintelligence.net/DHSthreatguide.pdf
Do you:
Like to pay in cash (1) (2) (3)
Visit a storage facility at unusual times (1) (2)
Exhibit nervous behavior (1)
Have “suspicious” textbooks regarding chemistry or biology (1)
Have flight manuals (1)
Have photographs of well-known locations (1)
Have a GPS unit (1)
Have receipts from several hotels (1)
Like to take photographs (1)
Wear winter clothing (1)
Frequently travel to areas “of concern” (1)
Appear “not to belong” (1)
Stare or quickly look away from people (1)
Want to buy a commercial truck or van (1)
Have interest in dams or national landmarks (1)
Have no current or fixed address (1)
Have scuba gear (1)
Have large amounts of baby formula (1)
Have a blank facial expression (1)
Have a map to a shopping mall in a shopping mall (1)
Wear scarves, head bands, hooded sweatshirts, or heavy coats (1)
Have laboratory equipment (1)
Often make inaccurate statements (1)
Have stains on your clothing (1)
Have burns on your hands (1)
Have dead vegetation in your yard (1)
Mumble (1)
Use a prepaid mobile phone (1) (2)
Exhibit apprehension (1)
Have an extra car battery in your car (1)
Participate in Mixed Martial Arts (1)
Have a blender, a slow cooker or coffee filters in your hotel room (1)
Appear “stressed out” (1)
Live in a home or apartment that smells bad (1) (2)
Provide “evasive” responses to questions (1)
Have a bumper sticker on your car supporting legal rights (1)
Have you:
Traveled overseas lately (1)
Refused maid-service at a hotel (1)
Requested a specific view at a hotel (1)
Used a phone in the lobby of a hotel (1)
Used prepaid calling cards (1)
Observed a security drill (1)
Left a briefcase or a bag somewhere (1)
Worn clothing inconsistent with the weather (1)
Purchased a respirator or hazardous substances (1)
Provided a vague explanation for an injury (1)
Asked security personnel for directions (1)
Parked a rental vehicle in an unusual location (1)
Tried to gain employment at a vehicle dealership, a rental agency, a delivery company, or a freight hauling company (1)
Used excessive postage on a package (1) (2)
Misspelled words on a package (1) (2)
Sent mail without a return address (1) (2)
Changed your name (1)
Attended public demonstrations (1)
Bought night-vision goggles (1)
Requested an unusual work schedule (1)
Stored batteries in the glove compartment of your vehicle (1)
Made a check out to “cash” (1)
Purchased large diameter PVC pipe (1)
Refused change from a financial transaction (1)
Purchased vaccines and preventative medicines (1)
Driven by a school in a limousine (1)
Flown a private plane over any kind of infrastructure (1)
Flown a radio-controlled aircraft near a sports arena (1)
Taken a photograph of a courthouse (1)
Traveled internationally recently (1)
Attempted to purchase a firearm or other weapon (1)
Sought training in the use of a weapon (1)
Repeatedly extended your stay in a hotel by one day (1)
Are you:
Overly concerned about privacy (1)
A commercial driver’s license student that appears uninterested (1)
A panhandler or beggar (1) (2)
A street vendor (1)
A shoe shiner (1)
A pregnant woman (1)
An employee changing shifts or working irregular hours (1)
Holding a pressure cooker in an unusual location (1)
Unwilling to explain your financial activity (1)
Driving to Wal-Mart (1)
Taking a photograph of any location where there are no tourists (1) (2)
Enrolled in a college criminal justice program (1)
An anarchist (1)
It's not real hard to make their "lists".
Let's start looking at the real sources of gun violence (the war on drugs) if we want to save the kids.
Then tell me. What laws or executive orders has the Whitehouse said they'd like to introduce? You don't know, because they haven't.
All the Whitehouse has said was they're forming a task force headed up by Biden to research the issue of gun violence. That's it. That's all the Whitehouse has done so far, and other than that, haven't said a single word about what they'd like to actually do.
It's like back in the 2008 election everyone was saying Obama is going to take your guns, when in reality, he only weakened the gun control laws.
Sure, it sounds like a fantastic idea for the government to implement. Just like fighting a WAR on drugs, a WAR on poverty, a WAR on terrorism. But as we've seen time and time again, the opposite of the intended goal is the outcome. And this is because using force to solve problems is a shitty fucking solution.
It matters very little who touched it; the INTENTION of it is obvious; Penn and Teller are dead-on accurate about this, just look at the historical context and throw the wording and punctuation away and you'll know what the forefathers were trying to say.
Tell that to the law-abiding citizens around New Orleans!
For the rest of the US, it's not about a thug busting down their door today, but by incremental change that seeks the same ends within 10-20 years.
You really confuse me bro... Did you ever read why I moved to BKK?
I read that 1997 bill about a year ago that limits future presidents from having lifetime secret service and knew this was going to happen.
#psychic
#psychic
Why? Are you not familiar with what they did in New Orleans a few years ago?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4]NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina - YouTube[/ame]
You act like these fears are irrational.
Then either your statement about the US government being the most corrupt organization ever in existence is a gross over-exaggeration (which is so surprising in a debate about guns, LOL) or you are intentionally misleading people.
Personally, I was surprised to hear that lifetime protection was not offered. Regardless of your politics you have to recognize that being the president of the US puts a huge target on your back for the rest of your life.
Yes, because it takes 30 seconds to conduct a background check to contact:
- Your state's Attorney General's office
- US Department of Justice
- Local courts to check for restraining orders
The last time I purchased a handgun (I lived in Maine) it took me 10 minutes: I had to sign a form, show a copy of my driver's license, and let them call in my drivers license number to NICS.
But according to this link, Maine has the 2nd highest gun ownership and the lowest violent crime rate.
My point: I'm not sure, I just wanted to be part of the conversation. It doesn't take 30 seconds, but it doesn't have to take forever.
Unrelated, but interesting: The last time I purchased a video game (in Massachusetts) it took easily 15 minutes and 2 forms of ID.
I never said "US Government".
Just to be clear, I meant Governments in general. I'm not here to debate whether one government is more corrupt than another, they all murder, manipulate and steal on a massive scale.