Obama's 30 minute infommercial

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Morath said:
Explain where all this "money" will come from if we increase taxes on corps and small businesses?

Businesses will lower production and raise prices and lay people off so they can keep the same profit margins. This is just business. Sure maybe your idea could work, but the likelihood is that most businesses will have a knee jerk reaction to these new taxes and start laying off tons of middle class workers who will then have a constitutional right to get free money from the gov.

Which will subsequently lower the middle class to poverty because the middle class will have no money to spend on your cpa offers because they are being taxed a shit load to cover all the people who are unemployed and constitutionally guaranteed money. So your business fails, Major Corps Fail because the people working for their money aren't getting to spend it because it's going to the unemployed people.
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The likelihood is not that. Believe it or not, the companies you're referring to did not get where they are through incompetence.
Margins don't matter. Gross profit matters. Gross profit goes up when the middle class has money.
This isn't 'theory'. This is the clinton years.
 


I really can't trust a man that wont take care of his own family. Obama and Biden are liars and frauds. I knew all along that they were I didn't need to find the aunt in a Boston slum to realize it. It just justifies the way I have felt all along. They want my money to give to the poor, yet they won't take their own money and give it to the poor.

Obama makes far more than I do and I give more in charity than he does. This alone proves to me that he is a piece of shit.

The facts are right in front of your faces. If you refuse to look at them..then well you are either ignorant or caught up in the Obama fad.

Carry on obamabots!
 
popeye said:
I really can't trust a man that wont take care of his own family. Obama and Biden are liars and frauds. I knew all along that they were I didn't need to find the aunt in a Boston slum to realize it. It just justifies the way I have felt all along. They want my money to give to the poor, yet they won't take their own money and give it to the poor.

Obama makes far more than I do and I give more in charity than he does. This alone proves to me that he is a piece of shit.

The facts are right in front of your faces. If you refuse to look at them..then well you are either ignorant or caught up in the Obama fad.

Carry on obamabots!
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Him and his family have nothing to do with it. You obviously didn't trust him beforehand, so saying it like it changes everything is a steaming pile of crap.

The 'facts' you want us to see are not in front of our faces popeye. There's a reason no matter how many times I bring it up none of you guys cite sources(no, not right wing e-zines, actual sources). It's because they don't exist.
Seriously. Do you not realize how odd it is to have people leveling these kinds of accusations, but being totally unable to cite any sources?
 
Time will tell xmcp.... and if obama wins I really hope you're right.

This is definitely not one of those things i want to come back to and say "I told you so"
 
popeye said:
Obama makes far more than I do and I give more in charity than he does. This alone proves to me that he is a piece of shit.
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Yup. Biden has also netted about $2.5m in the past 10 years and donated less then $3,000 to charities during that time.

These guys are true frauds.
 
invisible777 said:
This was a retarded infomercial and I felt like Obama shot himself in the foot.
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Not according to the latest polls... RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - General Election: McCain vs. Obama

Anyway, Obama's actually going to be speaking at a high-school football field about a mile away from my house in a few hours. Maybe I'll walk over there and see what all the fuss is about. Apparently people having been camping out there since last night.

Compare that to Palin's visit to my town last week... They had it in the parking lot of Bass Pro Shops, lol. Not to mention that they screwed a bunch of people by saying it was going to be a paid event and after selling a couple thousand tickets decided to make it free to the public, but wouldn't refund the people who paid.
 
Obama rally in Springfield, MO. tonight... He gave a 2 day notice.

The line to get in was literally 1.75 miles long.

Almost 50,000 people showed up...

(Palin was here last week and had around 8,000 people show up, with a 2 week notice.)

Mark MO. down for Obama...

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I'm sure if HU Jintao showed up at a stadium in China thousands of people would come to see him too.

And also, you're comparing a vice presidential candidate to a presidential. I'm sure Biden wouldn't have gotten nearly that many.
 
subigo said:
Obama rally in Springfield, MO. tonight... He gave a 2 day notice.

The line to get in was literally 1.75 miles long.

Almost 50,000 people showed up...

(Palin was here last week and had around 8,000 people show up, with a 2 week notice.)

Mark MO. down for Obama...

obspringfield4110108mf5.jpg
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What band/rap group performed after the rally?
 
kingrage said:
I'm sure if HU Jintao showed up at a stadium in China thousands of people would come to see him too.

And also, you're comparing a vice presidential candidate to a presidential. I'm sure Biden wouldn't have gotten nearly that many.
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They're both the part of the ticket that gets their base energized; so I'd say it's valid. Speaking honestly, no one cares about Biden, but very few care about McCain either. Obama and Palin are the ones that matter.
 
I bet palin could have gotten a longer line if she had announced a gangbang :love-smiley-085:
subigo said:
Obama rally in Springfield, MO. tonight... He gave a 2 day notice.

The line to get in was literally 1.75 miles long.

Almost 50,000 people showed up...

(Palin was here last week and had around 8,000 people show up, with a 2 week notice.)

Mark MO. down for Obama...

obspringfield4110108mf5.jpg
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invisible777 said:
Everyone that I can make out in that picture is either

- young (won't vote)
- minority (won't vote)
- holding a digital camera and there for to see the celebrity, not the politician.

It's kind of sad.

MO polls:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - Missouri: McCain vs. Obama
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*sigh* Yall aren't even challenging anymore. I'll provide multiple sources so yall can't whine about one in particular as being "biased".
Early Voters Breaking Records - washingtonpost.com
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02first.html?em
Obama's Early Vote Push | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

Some Choice Quotes
The Louisiana secretary of state's office, for example, reported that African Americans make up 36 percent of those who have already voted, more than double their proportion in early voting in 2004.
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In Georgia, for instance, blacks represented a quarter of all voters in the 2004 presidential election. So far this year in early voting alone, they make up 35 percent of all voters.
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popeye said:
What band/rap group performed after the rally?
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None. Obama only.

invisible777 said:
Everyone that I can make out in that picture is either

- young (won't vote)
- minority (won't vote)
- holding a digital camera and there for to see the celebrity, not the politician.

It's kind of sad.
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You're kind of sad. That crowd went on for half a mile... There were people of all shapes, colors, ages and sizes there. See, you're missing the point...

Southwest Missouri has always been out of play for any democrat. We're home to the Assemblies of God church, John Ashcroft, Roy Blunt, etc...

Obama made the announcement that he would be here Saturday night on Thursday night. The head of the (state) republican party stated on Friday that he would be surprised if Obama could match Palin's numbers.

Palin's rally: 10,000
Obama's rally: 55,000

Everyone on both sides are shocked at the turn out for this democrat in Springfield.

Obama might not take Missouri, but he probably will. With a 100k rally in St. Louis, a 75k rally in K.C. and a 55,000 person rally in Springfield, it's looking good for him.

Did I mention Springfield only has about 150,000 people living in the city?

If Obama can get a turnout like this in one of the Redest cities in America, he's going to easily win on Tuesday.
 
Funny that you would state that "If Obama can get a turnout like this in one of the Redest cities in America, he's going to easily win on Tuesday"

I get all my tattoo work done in Springfield and I find it very Liberal compared to the state Southwest of it.
 
popeye said:
Funny that you would state that "If Obama can get a turnout like this in one of the Redest cities in America, he's going to easily win on Tuesday"

I get all my tattoo work done in Springfield and I find it very Liberal compared to the state Southwest of it.
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Wikipedia says it's in Greene and Christian County. (source)

Stats for Greene County
Presidential 2004 - 67% Bush, 37% Kerry.

Stats for Christian County
Presidential 2004: 71% Bush, 28% Kerry.
Source: Fox Interactive Map
 
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