On the Brink of War?

[Jon]

I've been following the news lately, and I gotta say, it seems the situation between Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas are getting pretty serious. Enough so that they are making threats that they have never dared say. Like.. attacking American and European soil with sleeper cell operatives if Israel attacks them (which is inevitable). Why do these fuckers always have to start up and then play the victim role? Clearly they started up with Israel decades ago and continued to wage war on them until they were "wiped off the map". Why can't these assholes just deal with the sand box barren land that they have and stop shooting rockets and crap at Israel and just be happy with what they have?

Anyhow, not to get too sidetracked, but the talk I've been hearing for the past few years about all of this is "World War III". It's a frightening thought, because it means that you will have millions of soldiers from all sorts of countries and religions fighting on the same side against the islamic extremist factions.

Only trouble with that is that how do you tell who is "bad" and who is "good"? That seems to be the issue in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not like the enemy is wearing a specific uniform so that you can tell who is who, they can say they are innocent one day, and turn around and shoot you in the head the next. They wear plain clothes, and dress and act like civilians. They are also willing to die for their cause, so getting people to surrender so we can gather intel doesn't seem as easy as it was in say.. WWII.

So I would like to know, for everyone who is living in countries like America, UK, AUS, Germany, NL, etc.. what would you do if there were a draft? And what's your take on the escelating situation?

 

[Lord B]

I've been following the news lately, and I gotta say, it seems the situation between Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas are getting pretty serious. Enough so that they are making threats that they have never dared say. Like.. attacking American and European soil with sleeper cell operatives if Israel attacks them (which is inevitable). Why do these fuckers always have to start up and then play the victim role? Clearly they started up with Israel decades ago and continued to wage war on them until they were "wiped off the map". Why can't these assholes just deal with the sand box barren land that they have and stop shooting rockets and crap at Israel and just be happy with what they have?

Anyhow, not to get too sidetracked, but the talk I've been hearing for the past few years about all of this is "World War III". It's a frightening thought, because it means that you will have millions of soldiers from all sorts of countries and religions fighting on the same side against the islamic extremist factions.

Only trouble with that is that how do you tell who is "bad" and who is "good"? That seems to be the issue in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not like the enemy is wearing a specific uniform so that you can tell who is who, they can say they are innocent one day, and turn around and shoot you in the head the next. They wear plain clothes, and dress and act like civilians. They are also willing to die for their cause, so getting people to surrender so we can gather intel doesn't seem as easy as it was in say.. WWII.

So I would like to know, for everyone who is living in countries like America, UK, AUS, Germany, NL, etc.. what would you do if there were a draft? And what's your take on the escelating situation?

From what I just saw on CNN, Israeli troops have moved into southern lebanon.

 

[Mill]

Well as far as the draft, I say whoever gets drafted STAND UP/ None of these fukn sissy ass draft dodging fuckers. If they dont have enough damn decency to fight for their country they should rot in hell. or be perma-banned from US soil.

Ok, Back on subject.

The fact that Iran is the biggest supporter of Hezbolah and that the hostages that were captured by hezbolah a few years ago actually claim that they seen many iranian uniformed soldiers instructing lebanon what to do, is a clear fact that the Iranian Govt is behind all of this. They are just trying to distract us and the rest of the world from the crisis that was escalating between Iran and the world.

Israel is one little ass country but the fact is that they have one of the biggest armies in the world. They outpower their neighboring countries 10 to 1, and their airforce is one of the tops in the world. They can handle this little crisis.

If Iran steps in then we step in, if another country steps in Russia steps in,, etc etc, so yes it could escalate into some real issues for us all. But I for one think all of the modern world needs to go ahead and nip these terrorist hypocritical fuckers in the ass right now, crush them. Then lets all just get on with our lives.

Yes I have served, and I would again!

 

[Regal]

There's always wars going on. We are essentially always at war. Whether it escalates into a world war, it sure as hell feels like it could.

What I find unreal is how much I forget about all this. The wars around the world have never stopped, yet I carry on in my perfect little North American bubble, occasionally catching biased news clips and Larry King features that remind me. I'd never wish war on anyone, but I'm also extremely curious to how this will pan out in time.

Anyways, this all reminds me of Navy Seals....man that movie was horrible.

 

[JDA]

Edit: Actually scratch that, I'm not going to get into politics on this forum, seems like a bad idea.

 

[Mill]

well if your so displeased with the country you could pack your shit up and move!

Nobody is making people stay in this country, it cracks me up to hear all these people who seem to hate this country not have the balls to actually leave. If you hate it Leave it. Dont talk shit about how you had no decision to be born here, although you didn't you still have the choice to pack up and leave.

 

[Peter]

So I would like to know, for everyone who is living in countries like America, UK, AUS, Germany, NL, etc.. what would you do if there were a draft? And what's your take on the escelating situation?

If there was a draft, I'd fucking shit myself, I'm no hero. How old are the men they usually draft? Turning 20 this year, I'd be right in the mix I assume. I can't see it happening though.

 

[Mill]

yeah the drafting laws I believe have been revamped. It used to be that the first born or some shit like that wasnt drafted.

Plus do they have a draft in AUS? Just curious as I know allies and all.

I dont think it will come down to a draft, we have the operations setup in that theatre anyways, so all the people that were deployed, they will just ship more over into Iraq and run operations off the coast of Israel and Iraq.

Most of warfare is by Air now anyways so the fact of massive amounts of draftees or enlisted dieing on ground wouldnt be as massive as WW2 or Vietnam.

 

[DruSam]

Indeed, the overall situation has been escalated by violence on both sides. But I think the immediate problem is both the Lebanonese and Palestinians have elected radical islamic organizations hizbollah and hamas respectively into their governments. If they wanted peace, why the hell would they elect parties that are committed to Israel's destruction? Especially, when Israel has bent over backwards in pulling troops and settlements out of southern Lebanon and Gaza? Then they go and kidnap 2 Israeli soldiers and kill 8 of them right after the pullout. It seems quite clear that Israel's neighbors are trying to pick a fight with her. They are getting exactly what they wanted. Syria and Iran both back Hizbollah, if either of those countries use their own force then we can assume the worst. At the very least the fighting will stay in the Middle East. But I'm sure many other countries are itching to take advantage of the chaos... North Korea vs Japan Pakistan vs India Alleged sleeper cells in North America... I pray to God this isn't the start of another World War. But right now, it's just a regional conflict.

 

[Peter]

Plus do they have a draft in AUS? Just curious as I know allies and all.

Nope, no drafting system in Australia now. Last time people were drafted was Vietnam.

 

[joe]

I certainly hope that there is no draft especially when a war in the Middle East shouldn't concern us in the first place. The only case where I would actually go and fight for the country would be if our actual country was being attacked, even then I think I could serve the interests better someway else. If there were a draft, I would probably write the letter making me a consciouses objector (or whatever it is), or I would pick up and move across the border (North). Leaving the country would never be my first choice as I realize how much better we have it here, but I don't believe that is because of the wars we have fought (except for the Revolutionary War) but because of our economic and basic belief system of the individual (which should prevent us from entering wars, but it doesn't).

I would make a terrible soldier: 1. I'm not of a soldier build, 2. I don't take orders, 3. I love MY life, and don't wish to needlessly risk it. I do those in the military are performing a very admireable service and should be respected, there is just no way I could do it myself.

I wish they still had the policy where you could pay to have someone else go (lol).

That said, this wont go into full fledged war. All of the countries around the Middle East are saying that Hezbollah's at fault but they differ on their opinions on just how much force Isreal should be using. Israel has kicked everyone's ass down there before and could do it again if worse comes worse.

I'm much more worried about energy, if Iran gets drawn into conflict - global depression will likely ensue.

 

[Karnul]

If there was a draft, I'd fucking shit myself, I'm no hero. How old are the men they usually draft? Turning 20 this year, I'd be right in the mix I assume. I can't see it happening though.

Right there with ya... I can't imagine going into war. I like my sleep, TV, and internet access. =)

I wish the USA would take the stance we did 50 years ago. We were like Switzerland, we didn't get involved in the affairs of other nations lightly. If we weren't in the middle east, we wouldn't have so much to worry about. Terriorists aren't targeting neutral countries.

On the other side of the coin, Islamic radicals are a blight on the world. They follow passages in the Koran that speak of "attacking the non-believers that are near to them" --- or something like that. Except for the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pastafarianism), most religions don't benefit the modern world. We should not be tolerant of intolerance. If a religion beleives in suppressing women, violence against 'unbelievers', and passing laws in the name of religion -- that religion should be blacklisted by civilized nations.

I'm an optimist, I think Israel can handle this crisis. I think if it escalates then China and Russia will not become involved. Both China and Russia are improving relations with the world and with the U.S., remaining on the side lines benefits them more than becoming mired in the Middle Eastern mess.

And finally, I truly feel for the peaceful Palestinians. Radical Palestinians have brought war into their streets, neighborhoods, and homes. They have no opportunity for financial success (unless it's war profiteering) and they little freedom due to Israeli intelligence operations. It's a terrible situation for so many people on all sides. --- I just hope we don't make it OUR terrible situation.

 

[Andrew]

It looks ugly, but this will blow over. People forget that that the whole world pretty much a trigger finger away from massive destruction from around 1960 to the late 80s.

What Iran wants, and loves, is higher priced oil. When things look bad, its more money in their own pockets. Saddam Hussein was and is clearly nuts and so is Kim Jong-il. I think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a politician exploiting the islamic radicals to his own use. Democracy is not some magical wand, it will only mirror the mass views of the people behind it.

 

[Jon]

well if your so displeased with the country you could pack your shit up and move!

Nobody is making people stay in this country, it cracks me up to hear all these people who seem to hate this country not have the balls to actually leave. If you hate it Leave it. Dont talk shit about how you had no decision to be born here, although you didn't you still have the choice to pack up and leave.

I agree with you. When Bush was running against Kerry, thousands of liberals said "if Bush wins I am moving to Canada". Well, Bush did win, and not a single one of them moved to Canada. How do I know? Because you can bet your ass that they would have made it a press field day and it would have been one hell of a way to protest Bush being re-elected to office. Same deal with the people who bitch about the country. You have a right to bitch about it, because we live in a free country that doesn't censor what we say publically, whether the government agrees or not. But I cannot stand to see Americans bitching so much and badmouthing the US to the point where all I want to do is kick them in the face and throw them out of the country. Do you have any idea how lucky you are to live here? Look at all of the over 20 million illegal immigrants that live here. Look what they ran away from. Sure, life is hard for them here, but it's a fucking cake walk compared to other areas in the world. If you hate America, then fucking move, because I cannot stand it when people are self-haters of their own nations. Personally, if there is a draft, I'd like to see these assholes be put onto the front line and then tell me you hate this country and how terrible we are. I guarantee you get a new sense of patriotism that you never knew you had before.

As for my original post. I do think we will be going to war with the muslim extremists pretty soon. And unfortunately, I do think a draft will be re-instated, because there just aren't enough troops to handle a full scale war in the region so it can be done correctly the first time over. If there is one, I won't wait to be drafted, I will volunteer instead so that I can choose which area to go into. I definitely will be scared and overwhelmed, but as an American, it's my duty to go when my country needs me, and not sit around here. I do hope that Israel handles it and kicks the shit out of Hamas and Hezbollah finally.

 

[katoved]

Jon's patriotism

I agree with you. When Bush was running against Kerry, thousands of liberals said "if Bush wins I am moving to Canada". Well, Bush did win, and not a single one of them moved to Canada. How do I know? Because you can bet your ass that they would have made it a press field day and it would have been one hell of a way to protest Bush being re-elected to office. Same deal with the people who bitch about the country. You have a right to bitch about it, because we live in a free country that doesn't censor what we say publically, whether the government agrees or not. But I cannot stand to see Americans bitching so much and badmouthing the US to the point where all I want to do is kick them in the face and throw them out of the country. Do you have any idea how lucky you are to live here? Look at all of the over 20 million illegal immigrants that live here. Look what they ran away from. Sure, life is hard for them here, but it's a fucking cake walk compared to other areas in the world. If you hate America, then fucking move, because I cannot stand it when people are self-haters of their own nations. Personally, if there is a draft, I'd like to see these assholes be put onto the front line and then tell me you hate this country and how terrible we are. I guarantee you get a new sense of patriotism that you never knew you had before.

As for my original post. I do think we will be going to war with the muslim extremists pretty soon. And unfortunately, I do think a draft will be re-instated, because there just aren't enough troops to handle a full scale war in the region so it can be done correctly the first time over. If there is one, I won't wait to be drafted, I will volunteer instead so that I can choose which area to go into. I definitely will be scared and overwhelmed, but as an American, it's my duty to go when my country needs me, and not sit around here. I do hope that Israel handles it and kicks the shit out of Hamas and Hezbollah finally.

Jon, I can assure you that a draft will NOT be coming any time soon. I am currently an intelligence officer in the US army and have a much better handle on the situation then you. You might know a SHIT LOAD more about webmastering than I (hoping to change that), but I know the army and the state of war throughout the world (having been to Iraq and Afghanistan). A draft will only come about should be over extend ourselves on at least a 2x scale from where we are today. Did you know that the Israeli economy literally shuts off during times like this. A near majority of the male population is called into active duty and no one works! Sorry for the tangent, but a draft is not coming. I know so many people that actually believe this a concern. There are 2 possible reasons a draft might occur.

1. The US passes a law requiring US males and/or females to do a mandatory 2 yr sting in the military or military reserves (much like Israel).

2. A major war with an army (Russia, Germany, Korea, Iran, etc...) that can withstand our massive firepower.

I can get you in the military anytime you want! I'll even get a $6,000 affiliate bonus if you join. That reminds me, I was thinking of creating Army National Guard sites in order to generate leads (potential soldiers). For everyone I get to join up, the US Army will pay me $6,000. This would be the most sick affiliate program ever! Anyone interested in doing this with me. I dont know crap about building sites, but you would need my security clearance and position to get the affiliate rights. Partnership 50/50! Anyone?

 

[Mill]

SO your an intel officer in the Army! Where do you work? Pentagon, CO Just curious, because I was in the Army also and I dont fear a draft at all. But I do say if the draft does happen then we make sure to put all the pansies in 11 series training.. Hell make them all 11b's ( Infantry ) with no signifiers ( airborne, air assault) and put their whining asses on the line. I also thought to write the senate and say we know how illegal immigrants ( which is another thing that really pisses me off) can earn their citizenship. Make them all go over to iraq and replace the other soldiers. If they live and learn to speak fukn english they can comeback free.

But damn I agree with jon's post from above that if you sorry mother fuckers want to bad mouth this country and dont have a fukn spine we need to send your asses to nigeria or afghanistan and let you live the life of the people you want to defend. I wish that they would make it like South Korea or Israel where everyone had to pull 2 years of active duty.. would teach all you sissy fucks a thing or two about pride and some respect for your country.

Would really hate to see if there really was a sleeper cell in your neghborhood that woke up, you would probably throw the wife and kids at them and run!
Hell like Joe said I live in rural NC, about 45 mins from him, I guarantee that the people in my town take a lot of pride in their country and if war broke out on our soil, these mother fuckers wouldnt have a chance.


This is still one of the reasons other countries don't want to invade US Soil, due to the fact that we still have a right to bear arms. And they start shooting here, we mutilate them fuckers and Hollar for a Clean Up on Aisle 5!

 

[Michel Z.]

I met my wife in 1999 during a vacation in Greece. She is from Israel. I moved to Israel about 6 years ago. Originally, I am from the Netherlands.
We were also part of a palistinian suicide bomber who tried to blow herself up within a supermarket couple of years ago. Lucky us, this palistinian suicide bomber wasn't allowed to enter supermarket by security guard and blew herself up at the entrance. We felt the blow inside though. Unfortunately, security guard & a youngster got killed! That time I was really thinking that's it's I am going back to my home country. Anyway, I decided to stay and right now I don't want to move back anymore to Holland. I love Israel! A couple of my dutch friends came last month for a vacation & we went to the northern part of the country: Golan Heights, Tiberias, etc. (close to the border with Lebanon). It's a strange feeling that everywhere rockets are shot by the Hezbollah now, while we were there couple of weeks ago having a good time! I am still very much dutch, but can't agree always their opinion which is often favouring the palistinian case more then supporting Israel. The same situation right now. More or the less I think there should be 2-state solution in the (near) future. I prefer to have a peace situation here. But that will be very difficult I think with a Hamas led government which is a terrorism organisation & only has one goal which is getting Israel out of here (the same for Hezbollah). If Israel did the correct thing by attacking Lebanon!? I think YES! I think that any nation would attack the other country when their soldiers are kidnapped and rockets are shot. In this case, Hezbollah is even part of the lebanese government! Maybe this goverment doesn't have the power to control Hezbollah, but on the other you don' t see them criticize Hezbollah as well. It's Israel's mistake, like always! Ofcourse it's terrible for the innocent people who died in Lebanon so far, the same for the people who died in Israel! Let's hope for the best...

 

[dreamedia]

Jon, I can assure you that a draft will NOT be coming any time soon. I am currently an intelligence officer in the US army and have a much better handle on the situation then you.

On the basis of all your dumb ass spamming & posts, its pretty ironic that you claim that you are an intelligence officer. I suppose all the intelligence about iraqs WWD was your fuckup?

 

[Karnul]

"Americans bitching so much and badmouthing the US to the point where all I want to do is kick them in the face and throw them out of the country..."

I'd like to mention you can hate the government, and badmouth the government without badmouthing the USA.

The government does not = the country.

In fact, our current political regime (both dems and pubs) are nothing close to the founding principles this country was built on.

Maybe it's just me, but I see government as incompetent, wasteful, expensive (overpriced), obstructive, and oppressive. Everyone would have more $ to spend, more freedom to enjoy, and less worries about red tape if government was reduced...oh say... by 90% or so.

Anyone else here have to fill out a homeland security form just to accept 25K in credit card payments per month? ...ridiculous, oppressive, infringing, and wasteful use of tax dollars.

 

[imagenesis]

Here is my take on the situation. Israel made some major and rather unplausible escalations over 2 captured soldiers. There have been countless civilians deaths, and soldier deaths yet not as if planned they make a hissy fit over it. Now, I have no doubt that they had the US approval before pulling that stunt. It seems as its almost a plan to bait Iran and other big players to start shit up. There has been concern with Iran over the past few months, and this seems like a great excuse to get involved with them. Now, I fully support the war on terrorism (nor do I have anything against our president although some republican senators are complete morons) and all that crap, but this shit seems a bit fishy to me.