Options trading - who's into it?

Mike

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Always been fascinated by options and the various strategies. That being said, I've never executed any.

Anybody willing to share some good places for research, quotes, strategies, etc.?
 


me me me me me. mike do you mean binary options?

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I'm sorry, do I bore you? I'll try harder next time.

nah, man, not boredom, its just a subject previously discussed ad nauseum in previous threads on here recently, so the sigh is just "here we go again". my apologies.

YIPPIE, LETS DISCUSS OPTIONS AGAIN!

better?
 
A friend of mine is........ So far he's managed to lose about $25k of his dad's money along with that of a few friends.

that's pretty much options in a nutshell. seriously guys, if you wanna play options just bag the study, go to vegas & bet on black.
 
that's pretty much options in a nutshell. seriously guys, if you wanna play options just bag the study, go to vegas & bet on black.

Yep, the guy is a really great guy, but is sort of a silver-spoon type. Has been bankrolled by some heavy hitters and managed to lose a crapton of money. Granted, there were times where in the course of a hour he'd make 400%. Sadly he didn't take my advice and just sit it out.

Now, my cousin does options trading on a regular basis and has averaged about 7% over the past 3 years or so. He doesn't do crazy trades and is very careful.

Options aren't something I want to touch with a 10 foot pole. Real estate is my gig and much more stable and easier to deal with since it's tangible, and you're only competing with a handful of competitors in any local market. How many people do you think out there trade options on any given stock? Hundreds? Thousands? I don't know for certain , but it's quite a bit.
 
Covered Call
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/coveredcall.asp
Make extra money from stocks you already own.
Sell a call on stock you own (1 contract per 100 shares). If your stock drops, you keep your stock and the premium from the sold option. If your stock raises to or above the call strike price, you sell the stock at a profit and keep the premium from the sold option.


Collar

Collar Definition | Investopedia
Grow your investment while protecting it from a crash.
Sell a covered call and buy the first out-of-the-money put option on stock you own. The put will cost about as much as you make from the call, so it's like getting free insurance against a crash. If your stock drops, you keep your stock and sell the put for a profit that makes up for the drop. If your stock raises to or above the call strike price, you sell the stock at a profit.


Credit Spread
Credit Spread Definition | Investopedia
Limit your risk while making a directional trade.
Sell an out-of-the-money option, then buy the next farther out-of-the-money option. The difference in price between the two will be cash in your account. If the stock price does not move into the money on the option you sold, then the options expire and you keep the cash. If you expect the stock to rise use a put spread. If you expect the stock to fall, use a call spread.


Iron Condor
Iron Condor Definition | Investopedia

Make money when the market is relatively flat.

A combination of a call credit spread and a put credit spread. If the stock price remains within the channel created by the strike prices, then you make the cash from the upper and lower credit spreads. This strategy is most commonly used with options that have less volatile price movements like an optionable index.


Strangle
Strangle Definition | Investopedia
Make money when the market is volatile.
Buy the first out-of-the-money call and put options for a stock. If the stock price moves in either direction far enough, then the in-the-money option will be worth more than you paid for both options. This strategy is best when you know a stock's price will rise or fall a lot, but you aren't sure which direction.


Naked Put
Naked Put Definition | Investopedia

Buy stocks at a discount.
If you want to buy a stock, then sell a put option at the strike price you want to buy the stock at. If the stock falls to or below the strike price, then you will keep the premium from the sold put and you will buy the shares of stock at the price you were willing to pay. If the stock rises, you will not have to buy it, but will still keep the premium from the put option.


Things To Remember:
1 option contract represents 100 shares of stock. Premium prices are usually listed as per share so multiply premium by 100 for the value of the contract.

If you want to cash out your profit from an in-the-money option rather than exercise it yourself, then sell it before the strike date. It will be worthless after it expires.
 
The option strategies I listed are real strategies experts use to actually reduce risk. If anyone is serious about using them, then they had better understand options completely, know how to do technical analysis, and practice with a simulation account first. The Think or Swim platform allows advanced option strategy trading with play money. These strategies are golden for option trading experts, but dangerous for anyone who doesn't fully understand them.

If I wanted to just deliver a blueprint for a gambling style high-risk option trade I'd say buy a Put on FAS when you think the market will fall, or buy a Call on FAS when you think the market will rise.
 
The option strategies I listed are real strategies experts use to actually reduce risk. If anyone is serious about using them, then they had better understand options completely, know how to do technical analysis, and practice with a simulation account first. The Think or Swim platform allows advanced option strategy trading with play money. These strategies are golden for option trading experts, but dangerous for anyone who doesn't fully understand them.

If I wanted to just deliver a blueprint for a gambling style high-risk option trade I'd say buy a Put on FAS when you think the market will fall, or buy a Call on FAS when you think the market will rise.

So, what hedge fund do you work at?
 
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The option strategies I listed are real strategies experts use to actually reduce risk.

They are explained 20 pages into Wilmott.

If anyone is serious about using them, then they had better understand options completely

What does understand option completely mean?

know how to do technical analysis

Extensive research has been performed on technical analysis. the results being that its bull. It doesnt even make sense, because, if there were +ev patterns, theyd be traded to saturation by noon (by computers owned by hedge funds programmed by c++ superstars).

and practice with a simulation account first.

Give a winning pokerstrategy to someone. Make sure that he understands it entirely. 9 out of 10 will still fail because of the psychological issues that come with gambling ones own money.

The Think or Swim platform allows advanced option strategy trading with play money. These strategies are golden for option trading experts, but dangerous for anyone who doesn't fully understand them.

calling something expert is calling yourself out on your own bullshit. the term expert is not well defined for a reason.

your so called strategies are just basic patterns that can be formed with put/call-options. Options arent so much traded as they are used for hedging exposure and arbitrage opportunities, among other purposes youll never understand because you lack basic mathematic ability that is important to understand the pricing and trading of financial instruments.

If I wanted to just deliver a blueprint for a gambling style high-risk option trade I'd say buy a Put on FAS when you think the market will fall, or buy a Call on FAS when you think the market will rise.

If i wanted to just deliver a blueprint for a way to lose all your money, Id say burn it. Or donate it to some cancer research foundation and brag about it. What you strategy mongers dont get is that any kind of non-discretionary "strategy" that can be written down like an algorithm can be programmed into a computer by people who know more about mathematics, computers and how the exchange works than you ever will. They rent facilities physically close to the exchange to get an edge in execution time.



The nature of options makes it very easy for the trader to get out of the majority of his trades with a small win. Thats because all financial instruments bounce around a lot. But this does not constitute a winning strategy. Its a lot like the guy who reads about the martingale approach to roulette. You win almost nothing almost all the time, but there will be that one time when you lose your entire roll.



Theres lots of not yet discovered arbitrage opportunity in sports betting. Check out Betfair. At least you wont compete against a couple financial institutions.
 
Options can be very risky, but on the upside can make easily make you 1000% profit.
Unlike equity trading, you also don't need to make a huge investment in order to make a nice profit. The downside is that you can lose your entire investment if your options expire out of the money.

Optionetics - Your Investment Education and Options Trading Resource has great tutorials and info on options trading. They also have some great options chains to look at.

If you absolutely have to dive into option trading now, my 2 cents would be this:
The market is now the highest it's been since 2007. It's way overdue for a correction on the downside.
TZA 3x bearish ETF is dirt cheap now. I would purchase some options $3 out of the money due to expire in 2 months.
http://www.optionetics.com/marketdata/quote.aspx?page=quote&symbol=TZA^^^121020C00020000
$0.8 per option as of end of Friday.
This would be my best bet to make money. Mark this post. Let's see if my advice is worth anything :)


Just always remember never trade with money that you cannot afford to lose
 
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Most of what you said were direct attacks at me for whatever reason. I do think that the following statement of yours was relevant to this discussion though.
Give a winning pokerstrategy to someone. Make sure that he understands it entirely. 9 out of 10 will still fail because of the psychological issues that come with gambling ones own money.
The OP asked about options trading strategies. I listed some strategies that many who make their livings trading options use. I don't understand why all the hate?