Options trading - who's into it?

Most of what you said were direct attacks at me for whatever reason.

They were direct attacks at the stuff you wrote. Dont worry, tho. Many people find it hard to differentiate between the two.

Given your postcount, its a valid assumption that i dont know you. Why, then, assume that im attacking you directly? For what reason?

The OP asked about options trading strategies. I listed some strategies that many who make their livings trading options use. I don't understand why all the hate?

You are kind of right in that patterns like the straddle are traded. The fundamental problem with your trading strategies is that they arent traded as "trading strategies" but as patterns that can be applied to special situations. In that way, you missed the ops question.

The problem with option traders or option trading is that those who call themselves option traders often dont know the most basic things about options. Pick up wilmott on quantitative finance. or hull if you lack math education. study the first couple hundred pages. if you think you know your way around options, derive put-call-parity without cheating. if you cant do that off the top of your head, you dont know enough about options to talk about them, much less trade them.

the difference between any kind of stock and options on it is that a stock is a linear function of the well-being of the firm you buy stock of. meaning they work like f(x) = ax which is understood intuitively relatively well. an option doesnt carry that trait. options become worthless at some point. options are functions of volatility, time, expiration date, the stocks and its own prices. now you might claim that im overcomplicating things. might be true, but you oversimplify it to a point where you treat an option like a leveraged stock, which is incorrect.

its tempting to just trade options instead of stocks, because of all the leverage, but youre shooting yourself in the foot if you think that its that easy.
 


Thanks wayn3! You've given me what I was really looking for. Gonna check out Wilmott and Hull.

I have a rudimentary understanding of spreads, and how they can help limit risk. At bare minimum, done correctly, they seem like they can limit losses. Best example I can think off the top of my head: Put spreads. The real risk is the difference in stock price between the put you sell vs. the put you buy (x100 per contract).

Stuff like that is pretty easy to grasp. What I don't fully grasp is the volatility of options, or how much the timing affects them.

Stocks, sure. Buy a stock you think is going to go up. Short something you think is tanking.

What got me re-interested in options lately is Apple. Apple is around $650 right now, and a lot of analysts think it'll hit $700 soon. So, if you're bullish on Apple, there's so really cool options chains you can put together that - if it does hit the target price - will make you a bit of coin without even owning Apple. Apple's got the iPhone 5 coming up, potentially an iPad mini, and the holiday season. All good signs it's only going higher.

Anyhow, I enjoy playing with the numbers in spreadsheets and Etrade's options simulator. Doubtful I'll actually dabble in options anytime soon, but it's entertaining to play with the numbers and "best case" scenarios.
 
I've been doing option trading for several months now. I haven't lost my shirt as Drave is making option trading to be. Heck, I'm very well on top since I started and I'm only getting better by the weeks.

Mike. I'm currently trading Apple options. On Friday I picked up a $47,000 gain on my options. I already have $40k in realized Apple gains in the last 3 weeks.
 
I've been doing option trading for several months now. I haven't lost my shirt as Drave is making option trading to be. Heck, I'm very well on top since I started and I'm only getting better by the weeks.

Mike. I'm currently trading Apple options. On Friday I picked up a $47,000 gain on my options. I already have $40k in realized Apple gains in the last 3 weeks.

That's pretty good. So how much are you up so far in the couple months you been trading?
 
Drave - give us some alternatives to options then if they suck so bad. Just park my market money in a index fund? Other? <---serious question

i admit that sounds pretty bleak, but unless one is a full time professional (and even for 85+% of self-described professionals), yes -- index funds are the way to go. choosing an index between broad classes -- equities v treasuries v corporate paper v munis v commodities (etc) -- is a daunting enough task for any pro, let alone delving into the unlimited muriad of instruments & strategies within each class.

keep it simple & don't let 'the game' rack up commissions on you. if one can't pick the right index, do they really need options? and if they can, do they really need options?
 
Oops, just had another good day with Apple. $70,000 in realized gains. Thanks for playing.




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Also: you did not make that 70k, Dear Leader says: i want to spread the wealth around.