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Lots of ^^^ ITT
You are forgetting that you get $2345 per day for posting them linkz on the googles
Yeah, I kind of think a set 20% for normal service is bullshit, kind of like the thing about how an engagement ring is "supposed" to cost three months salary, etc. Then again, I think the idea that a tip should be a percentage of your bill is bullshit too since the size of the bill isn't really going to be linearly proportional to the amount of work the guy or girl has to do. I think it makes more sense to pay a set amount per person eating, or something like that.
A few times a week I eat at this local diner that I've ate at all of my life. My average bill is around $6-8, and by default I tip $0 for bad service, $1 for average service, and $2 for good service. If it's when they're really busy and my waitress has a lot of tables, then I usually take that into account as long as they're busting their ass since they aren't really in control of how many tables they get.
Don't you think this is bullshit though? If they have the ability to do this in the first place - why don't they just fucking do it for everybody and not for their special customers who tip?
We don't tip in Australia unless it's high end fine dining and for the most part the only reason they get tipped is because it's usually a pissing competition during a business meeting/important event.
I fucking hate going to America, I go to a bar and the guy opening a bottle of beer expects $1 for doing it. If I don't tip him for doing it - s/he will give me the worst service all night long.
If you do that shit in any other country, your sorry ass gets fired.
If somebody goes above and beyond what's expected of them in their day to day job - I'm more than happy to give them a tip (regardless of what job it is they do) / send their management a letter saying how awesome they did. This automatic tipping is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard - unfortunately it's a way of life in America so I usually end up tipping 15% otherwise people have a shit fit.
I've worked as a waiter before and I've also worked as a dishpig, I can say without doubt that working as a dishpig is about 500x worse than being a waiter.
People act like being a waiter is the hardest thing on the fucking planet. Are you kidding me? You take a fucking order, you get some drinks - take the food order to chef and then take the food out - make sure they are ok for drinks during their meal and then clear some fucking plates.
On a busy night you're going to be doing what? Maximum of 5-10 tables per hour, even if you only get a $1 tip you're still making bank compared to everybody else in shitty America.
Fuck everything about tipping.
I understand what you're saying, and I didn't keep either of those jobs for more than a year. By my senior year of college I was working 12+ hour days at 2 jobs and had already started doing various things online as well.
That being said, I made $2.13 an hour waiting tables before tips. I was working 20-25 hours a week, so the $50 I made basically covered taxes. You're not subsidizing the waiter when you eat. You are paying for good service. It really comes with the territory. It's not included in the price of the food at most place. I promise you, if waiters were paid $15/hour in the US, your steak is going to cost you a lot more.
With the pizza delivery job, I relied on tips to help off shoot the cost of gas, and this was when gas was $1.50/gallon. I have no idea how these guys can profit now.
That's part of the reason I don't mind tipping now. I usually only leave 15-20%, but I know that it's part of the meal. If they do a horrible job i leave 15% or a little less. If they do a great job they get the full 20%. If the service is exceptionally bad, I don't go back.
I can tell you though, since I work exclusively online and I order takeout A LOT from the same few restaurants they arrive at my door FAST and with a smile. Also, when I go down the street to my favorite bar, i get waited on fast and my drinks are strong. It's common sense really.
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You are forgetting that you get $2345 per day for posting them linkz on the googles
yeah but i aint complaining im not getting tips from the networks either
I guess I just look at it like, you chose the job/situation your in and if its bad you just change it instead of how people complain they should get paid more or get tips or get free welfare, etc....
I would never work a job for $2.13 an hour. Not because Im better then that or whatever, but because that just would not pay for anything even if I was homeless. Trying to depend on tips if like counting your chickens before they hatch, I just could not do it.
As far as the common sense thing you mentioned, yeah if you were to just give out money like YT cracker or some billionaire walking down the street and passing out $100 bills, everyone is gonna be your best friend/give you a handjob/smile at you and be at your beck and call. Personally, I dont pay to have friends though.
Dont take me wrong. I understand your logic and reasoning and such, but on the other end you gotta see it my way too. If I started giving everyone 20% more that I met in my life, everyone gonna love me. I just dont see why we do it for wait staff/bell boys, and not the entire world we come in contact with ( actually I do as any normal person would be flat broke if they did give 20% to everyone, I just dont do it for wait staff as they make more then most people if they work the right places/times/locations )
It's worse than you think in those states where they make 2.13 an hour. They are actually 'taxed' on 7 percent of their total checks for the shift.
I've worked in low scale and high end restaurants when I worked my way through school. It takes a lot of effort and that waiter is doing a lot of crap behind the scenes.... in really shitty environment.
Think they are slow?
There are 6 people at your table. Each of you orders a coke to drink.
- Assuming there isn't a waiter already at the soda machine -
- Assuming that the bus boy is keeping up and there are clean glasses -
- Assuming that there is ice and you don't have to get more -
- Assuming that there are trays to put the drinks on -
- Assuming that the soda hasn't run out (it does that - then you need to run into the back of the restaurant and change a box of syrup).
- Assuming that another table doesn't ask for something on the way by -
- Assuming that food doesn't come up while walking by the cook window -
- Assuming that the manager doesn't ask them to do something else on the way -
30 seconds for each glass to be filled is 3 minutes. Then the minute walk back to you which will only be a minute if:
- another table doesn't ask for something on the way by -
- food doesn't come up while walking by the cook window -
- the manager doesn't ask them to do something else on the way -
You by some miracle get your drinks in 5 minutes. Which is about as fast as humanly possible. But you've been thinking for 3 minutes where the fuck is my drink? It takes 30 seconds to get a drink
I wouldn't say that being a waiter is unskilled. There is a lot going on in the back that you don't think about. Those waiters are rolling silverware, filling up condiments, fighting with those "cooks" *you don't think the cooks at Applebees make more than 10 an hour do you* that WILL try and serve you the food they dropped on the floor.
In most cases your waiter is also getting your soup, refills, salads, etc... while remembering 20 to 30 minutes later who ordered what.
Ohh while that's all going on, the bus boy decides he needs to go out back for a crack break. The bartender isn't making drinks fast enough, and the hostess is fucking the fry cook in the break room. So your waiter/ress is also making your drinks, seating others, cleaning tables, etc...
Ohh and the damn restaurant doesn't schedule enough help so each waiter also has more tables than they could possibly take care of personally. Throw in the crap they need to do to give you great service and they are busy.
Rub your stomach, pat your head, and run around trying to remember what 30 people at the same time ordered, who asked for a drink, who needs some tomato slices on the side, and then think if those people WHO DO a good job with all that extra crap to deal with deserve a tip.
Still say no? Then offer to pay more for your food. A good 40 percent more so they can have more wait staff so they aren't doing more tables, more cooks so you don't have to wait, another drink station, another bar, another salad station -- because in america no one is going to run like that behind the scenes for 8 bucks an hour.
*on a side note: All restaurants are gross. I worked in a high end restaurant ($45 dollar meals) that actually took half eaten bread of tables threw it into a bucket, and made croutons out of it. When I did service work, I've seen restaurants that have sewer back ups in the basement and don't clean it up, rotten tomatos in a bucket in the walk in fridge for 3 months straight, etc.. My favorite.... the dish washing machines have to manually be emptied so the dirty water goes out. That means if the dishwasher only does it 3 times a shift and the restaurant is full your plates were washed with 100's of other peoples gross shit in the water.
I've worked in low scale and high end restaurants when I worked my way through school. It takes a lot of effort and that waiter is doing a lot of crap behind the scenes.... in really shitty environment.
Think they are slow?
There are 6 people at your table. Each of you orders a coke to drink.
- Assuming there isn't a waiter already at the soda machine -
- Assuming that the bus boy is keeping up and there are clean glasses -
- Assuming that there is ice and you don't have to get more -
- Assuming that there are trays to put the drinks on -
- Assuming that the soda hasn't run out (it does that - then you need to run into the back of the restaurant and change a box of syrup).
- Assuming that another table doesn't ask for something on the way by -
- Assuming that food doesn't come up while walking by the cook window -
- Assuming that the manager doesn't ask them to do something else on the way -
30 seconds for each glass to be filled is 3 minutes. Then the minute walk back to you which will only be a minute if:
- another table doesn't ask for something on the way by -
- food doesn't come up while walking by the cook window -
- the manager doesn't ask them to do something else on the way -
You by some miracle get your drinks in 5 minutes. Which is about as fast as humanly possible. But you've been thinking for 3 minutes where the fuck is my drink? It takes 30 seconds to get a drink
I wouldn't say that being a waiter is unskilled. There is a lot going on in the back that you don't think about. Those waiters are rolling silverware, filling up condiments, fighting with those "cooks" *you don't think the cooks at Applebees make more than 10 an hour do you* that WILL try and serve you the food they dropped on the floor.
In most cases your waiter is also getting your soup, refills, salads, etc... while remembering 20 to 30 minutes later who ordered what.
Ohh while that's all going on, the bus boy decides he needs to go out back for a crack break. The bartender isn't making drinks fast enough, and the hostess is fucking the fry cook in the break room. So your waiter/ress is also making your drinks, seating others, cleaning tables, etc...
Ohh and the damn restaurant doesn't schedule enough help so each waiter also has more tables than they could possibly take care of personally. Throw in the crap they need to do to give you great service and they are busy.
Rub your stomach, pat your head, and run around trying to remember what 30 people at the same time ordered, who asked for a drink, who needs some tomato slices on the side, and then think if those people WHO DO a good job with all that extra crap to deal with deserve a tip.
Still say no? Then offer to pay more for your food. A good 40 percent more so they can have more wait staff so they aren't doing more tables, more cooks so you don't have to wait, another drink station, another bar, another salad station -- because in america no one is going to run like that behind the scenes for 8 bucks an hour.
*on a side note: All restaurants are gross. I worked in a high end restaurant ($45 dollar meals) that actually took half eaten bread of tables threw it into a bucket, and made croutons out of it. When I did service work, I've seen restaurants that have sewer back ups in the basement and don't clean it up, rotten tomatos in a bucket in the walk in fridge for 3 months straight, etc.. My favorite.... the dish washing machines have to manually be emptied so the dirty water goes out. That means if the dishwasher only does it 3 times a shift and the restaurant is full your plates were washed with 100's of other peoples gross shit in the water.
Fuck the cheapskates are coming out of the woodworks.
As has been said earlier
A-Dont fuck with people that make your food
B-If you are too cheap to tip, cook your own damn food
C-It's just money. You can't take it with you when you die...you are making someone's entire DAY(maybe week) by leaving a nice tip and you will get great service the next time you come.
What are you gonna do with that extra few bucks that is so god damn important? Scale up to 3 ply toilet paper? Enjoy super unleaded gas in your tank?
Bunch of self-righteous prudes up in this thread that seem to think they are "entitled" to the best service no matter how cheap they are or how shitty their attitude is towards the people working for them.
And also..who cares the service is better in Japan/Asia without tipping? Cigarettes are also $2 a pack there..so it is much cheaper for the servers to smoke to deal with the stress caused by your lousy attitude and sense of entitlement.
As has been said earlier
A-Dont fuck with people that make your food
B-If you are too cheap to tip, cook your own damn food
C-It's just money. You can't take it with you when you die...you are making someone's entire DAY(maybe week) by leaving a nice tip and you will get great service the next time you come.
What are you gonna do with that extra few bucks that is so god damn important? Scale up to 3 ply toilet paper? Enjoy super unleaded gas in your tank?
Bunch of self-righteous prudes up in this thread that seem to think they are "entitled" to the best service no matter how cheap they are or how shitty their attitude is towards the people working for them.
And also..who cares the service is better in Japan/Asia without tipping? Cigarettes are also $2 a pack there..so it is much cheaper for the servers to smoke to deal with the stress caused by your lousy attitude and sense of entitlement.
a. my food is already made
b. if you you chose to work that job, you chose to get the pay you got.
c. i go to places all the time, the same people are NEVER there. Diff shifts, locations, employee turn around. I never see the same person twice.
The problem is people think they need to be paid more, for doing their job.
When I hire someone to file my taxes for me, I expect the basic shit to be done. I dont pay you more because you filed them on time, thats expected. I dont pay you more to sign the document or do the math, thats expected.
If you fail to do those things above, you doing it over until its right.
These people that think their "entitled" to getting more pay just because they showed up to their job and did the min. is the FUCKING PROBLEM.
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Boss, I am not defending the people that posted on the tumblr site and bitched and complained and outed the cheap tippers.
Nor do I disagree wholeheartedly with any of the points you are making.
However, really read through this thread and look at some of the comments and opinions that are pointed out. It's depressing to know people are so callous and cheap...and tend to have this "though peasants dont deserve my monies" attitude.
LOTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS of people CANNOT just up and get a different job. Many single mothers need the shift work that only a restaurant can provide and the flexible hours and so on..just as one example.
Maybe where I go out to eat is different, but I have the same servers, managers, hostesses all the time. A lot of non-franchise restaurants are the same as far as I have seen. So maybe try out your local hot-spot, a mom and pop diner, or even an all out 5 star restaurant and you will see the same employees at the same times more often?
I only see the revolving door of staff at places like applebees, swiss chalet, mcdonalds etc etc.
Restaurant down the street is the same waitress each and every time we eat there. She has 4 kids, works the night shift that starts once her husband gets home from work...and practically sweats all night running as fast as she can to get food ready and served piping hot.
Boss, I am not defending the people that posted on the tumblr site and bitched and complained and outed the cheap tippers.
Nor do I disagree wholeheartedly with any of the points you are making.
However, really read through this thread and look at some of the comments and opinions that are pointed out. It's depressing to know people are so callous and cheap...and tend to have this "though peasants dont deserve my monies" attitude.
LOTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS of people CANNOT just up and get a different job. Many single mothers need the shift work that only a restaurant can provide and the flexible hours and so on..just as one example.
Maybe where I go out to eat is different, but I have the same servers, managers, hostesses all the time. A lot of non-franchise restaurants are the same as far as I have seen. So maybe try out your local hot-spot, a mom and pop diner, or even an all out 5 star restaurant and you will see the same employees at the same times more often?
I only see the revolving door of staff at places like applebees, swiss chalet, mcdonalds etc etc.
Restaurant down the street is the same waitress each and every time we eat there. She has 4 kids, works the night shift that starts once her husband gets home from work...and practically sweats all night running as fast as she can to get food ready and served piping hot.
Went out to eat with a friend a couple of years ago (a ruby tuesdays).. and the service was absolutely fucking terrible. We had a few beers and my friend decides to put a negative tip of $5.00... and subtracted it from the total.. So the bill is $30, tip $-5, total $25..
So we left the table before she got to see the bill and my dumbass friend realized he left his keys at the table LOL. So he goes back in and consequently has to face the manager who advised him it's not possible to leave a negative tip.. laughed my ass off.
/coolstarrybra
So we left the table before she got to see the bill and my dumbass friend realized he left his keys at the table LOL. So he goes back in and consequently has to face the manager who advised him it's not possible to leave a negative tip.. laughed my ass off.
/coolstarrybra
BS, tbh. There's always a job available, just because the pay doesn't fit what someone personally wants, that's their problem, imo.
I.e.
My local fish & chip shop sometimes looks for potato peelers, at half minimum wage. Do they get tips? hell no.
Article writing. People will always need articles. When I used to need money for stuff, I wrote articles for people on digitalpoint, $5 for 500 words.
Was it tiring? Yes.
Was it boring? Yes.
Was the pay total shit? Fuck yes.
Did I expect tips? No way.
I don't think anyone is saying waiters/waitresses who give great service don't deserve a tip.
It's the expectation of a tip regardless of the quality of service that annoys people.
Tip, assholes. Its a social norm. You're probably experiencing some cognitive dissonance if you're trying to be a baller yet complaining about a few more bucks for a meal.
I commend this guy because he is ballsy and has the whole angsty "I'm fed up with this bullshit" take on the world. We need more people like him.
I commend this guy because he is ballsy and has the whole angsty "I'm fed up with this bullshit" take on the world. We need more people like him.
Wow, just because something is the social norm, everyone needs to do it? Thats fucking ballsy itself.
Lets see, 40 years ago it was social norm to do drugs, have open sex, riot in the streets, etc.. so that made it right?
It was social norm to have slaves in lot of places 150 years ago, it was social norm to kill jews in germany several decades ago.
Your logic fails bro.