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eliquid said:
Wow, just because something is the social norm, everyone needs to do it? Thats fucking ballsy itself.

Lets see, 40 years ago it was social norm to do drugs, have open sex, riot in the streets, etc.. so that made it right?

It was social norm to have slaves in lot of places 150 years ago, it was social norm to kill jews in germany several decades ago.

Your logic fails bro.
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I think we can think reasonably here and not equate tipping with drugs or killing Jews. I think we've reached a point in civilization where most societal norms are pretty decent. Tipping isn't really that big of a deal, but if you don't do it you're likely to be thought of a cheap skate or sociopath (I don't mean that in a violent way). Most people consider people who don't tip or argue about tipping as socially retarded guys. I might not like giving an extra buck or two to the waitress just as much as I don't like having to wash my car every two weeks, but I'm not going to look like a cheap and dirty person by driving a car with two inches of soot on it.
 


DrewClement said:
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Boss, I am not defending the people that posted on the tumblr site and bitched and complained and outed the cheap tippers.

Nor do I disagree wholeheartedly with any of the points you are making.

However, really read through this thread and look at some of the comments and opinions that are pointed out. It's depressing to know people are so callous and cheap...and tend to have this "though peasants dont deserve my monies" attitude.

LOTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS of people CANNOT just up and get a different job. Many single mothers need the shift work that only a restaurant can provide and the flexible hours and so on..just as one example.


Maybe where I go out to eat is different, but I have the same servers, managers, hostesses all the time. A lot of non-franchise restaurants are the same as far as I have seen. So maybe try out your local hot-spot, a mom and pop diner, or even an all out 5 star restaurant and you will see the same employees at the same times more often?

I only see the revolving door of staff at places like applebees, swiss chalet, mcdonalds etc etc.

Restaurant down the street is the same waitress each and every time we eat there. She has 4 kids, works the night shift that starts once her husband gets home from work...and practically sweats all night running as fast as she can to get food ready and served piping hot.
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I dont think not tipping is a "though peasants dont deserve my monies" attitude or being cold and callous attitude. I openly dont tip but routinely give money to charities, do angel trees ( plural ) at Christmas, and give all my kids clothes/shoes/toys to those with less when mine outgrow them ( all in good shape ). Its not about keeping a few bucks in my pocket so that I can afford a new pen at the end of the week or else I wouldnt do the other charitable things I do ( and never write off on my taxes ).

And it may be true there are more franchise type rest. here then in your town which is why I dont see the same people at the places I visit.

However, the single mothers or people working that job for the shift prob will never compute with me. I live in a small town ( near a bigger city though ) and my choices for 3rd shit ( or any shift ) right now are:

1. Bartender/Waiter - $2.50 an hour plus unknown tips
2. Mail room at bill processing centers - $13 an hour
3. UPS or FEDex hubs ( in lots of areas in USA ) - $15 - $20 an hour
4. Ford or Toyota plant worker - $30 an hour
5. RN/Hospital/health Care worker - $12 an hour to $60k a year ( RN )
6. Security ( think bank, parking lots, etc ) - $13 an hour
7. Kroger/Walmart stock person/warehouse - $9 an hour to $35k a year

I could list more, but in all these jobs I am sure a mix of these types of jobs can be found in most areas. Out of all of them the wait staff one is by for the lowest paying one per hour. For the life of me I dont see why someone would pick this job over the others I listed unless there just happenes to be NO JOB whatsoever expect the 1 position at Mels Diner that day.

I think the truth more leans to that the waitress/waiter know they can easily make $12-20 an hour IF they only wait on 5 tables an hour ( conservative ) and the average bill is $10 ( very conservative ) and the average tip is 20% ( $2 ). Thats $10 an hour on tips ( conservative ) plus their wage which bumps them to $12.50 an hour. Not baller status at all, but is on par with some of the jobs I listed above.

Mind you, not claiming these on your taxes is also the NORM. for these positions, so in fact these people are making more then someone making $12.50 an hour as well since they are not paying taxes on it.

They are basically trying to make their living HOPING that people always tip 15% to 20% and then getting upset when people dont. I just honestly could not feel secure or good about myself and choice of career/part time job knowing my family and livelihood depended on the hope of me getting tips and making that 12-20 an hour. It would be like playing those scratch off games or the lottery/bingo.

I just find it hard to believe people can not find another flexible job. I know all the ones I worked ( none restaurant ) we always had people coming in and out when they wanted because of family schedules so I know workplaces allow this.

I just feel some of these people think its an easy way to make up to $20 an hour and they start to depend on it and then get mad when someone doesnt tip them.
 
BluAffiliate said:
I think we can think reasonably here and not equate tipping with drugs or killing Jews. I think we've reached a point in civilization where most societal norms are pretty decent. Tipping isn't really that big of a deal, but if you don't do it you're likely to be thought of a cheap skate or sociopath (I don't mean that in a violent way). Most people consider people who don't tip or argue about tipping as socially retarded guys. I might not like giving an extra buck or two to the waitress just as much as I don't like having to wash my car every two weeks, but I'm not going to look like a cheap and dirty person by driving a car with two inches of soot on it.
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Im just saying just cause something is social norm doesnt mean its right or you have to follow it.

Most people are also "sheep/cattle/followers/drones" so what they think has no effect on me. They think Obama's birth certificate was no big deal, or that US is only in Arab countries for oil. I dont let "other" people dictate my actions is all... I dont tip because I'm afraid the guy next to me will think im cheap or wash my car because my neighbor will think im dirty. I could care less what those sheep think.

I just lead my own life the way I want with no restrictions to what others think.

Tipping is the norm in the US, but not for the world. Why not do the social norm that is accepted for the other 99% of the world?
 
-joe- said:
Did I? A lot of shop workers work hard and have children as well, do you tip the person who serves you in a store?
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Actually I do if the service is good. It's actually funny considering I'm not like all you ballers on here who are bitching about a $20 tip.
 
The issue here is the conflict between being nice and being objectively right.

Yeah, you are objectively right by not tipping if you don't agree with it, however being human also means you have some level of empathy and if it's social norm to tip it's nice to do it.
 
I skimmed this thread, I tip regardless of service.

I tip the people at Subway especially the ones that I go to frequently because they remember what I order and know exactly what I want, a spicy Italian on honey oat with swiss toasted with onions, 3 jalapenos, and a tiny bit of lettuce and honey mustard.

I tip at Starbucks because I order caramel frap double blended with extra caramel, no whip and sometimes they even put more caramel for free when I ask without even complaining. They even remember the other drinks I order and exactly how I want it.

I tip the waitress with the baggy eyes and bad attitude to make her day better.

I tip the taxi who tells me about the history in that certain city and the popular places people visit just to be friendly without asking for tips or shit.


Who cares if they are working for $2/hr , $10/hr , $350/hr. If someone provides you with a service that you're satisfied with why not tip? ESPECIALLY if they don't ask for it or do something extra... A tip for me means "Thank you for taking the time to do x for me"

They probably have the bad attitude or do the bad service because they usually get shitty tips, got a nasty customer or maybe they have adhd and forget shit. You don't fucking know because you don't know them or what they're going/gone through. Lower your pride a bit and tip them fuckers. Get to know them too especially if you're coming back for more, especially if you're a frequent at a bar/club because that = free drinks, tables, etc..... to each their own.
 
.Hack said:
I skimmed this thread, I tip regardless of service.

I tip the people at Subway especially the ones that I go to frequently because they remember what I order and know exactly what I want, a spicy Italian on honey oat with swiss toasted with onions, 3 jalapenos, and a tiny bit of lettuce and honey mustard.

I tip at Starbucks because I order caramel frap double blended with extra caramel, no whip and sometimes they even put more caramel for free when I ask without even complaining. They even remember the other drinks I order and exactly how I want it.

I tip the waitress with the baggy eyes and bad attitude to make her day better.

I tip the taxi who tells me about the history in that certain city and the popular places people visit just to be friendly without asking for tips or shit.


Who cares if they are working for $2/hr , $10/hr , $350/hr. If someone provides you with a service that you're satisfied with why not tip? ESPECIALLY if they don't ask for it or do something extra... A tip for me means "Thank you for taking the time to do x for me"

They probably have the bad attitude or do the bad service because they usually get shitty tips, got a nasty customer or maybe they have adhd and forget shit. You don't fucking know because you don't know them or what they're going/gone through. Lower your pride a bit and tip them fuckers. Get to know them too especially if you're coming back for more, especially if you're a frequent at a bar/club because that = free drinks, tables, etc..... to each their own.
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If tipping is based on satisfaction, what constitutes a bad tip then?

everyone has a diff level of satisfaction but yet we are required to tip a flat 15-20%. I should tip if I feel the service was excellent, not because you drove me across town, set up a fee for that service, then did the agreed service and I gave you the agreed fee for it and now I have to give you 15% more too.

Tipping should be not expected. If you get it, great... if you didnt, thats life. However, tipping is optional to those that do it but the people not getting it want to bash every person that doesnt tip them.

You cant make something optional and then get pissed when the situation doesnt pay off in your favor. If I play the lottery and dont win, does that give me the right to then bash the lottery workers and system on the internet/newspaper/radio?

How about if I offer performance based marketing to an advertiser and they start scrubbing my leads and telling me my quality is not good enough so instead of getting 10% per lead, I am only getting 6%? I could bitch and moan all i want, but my real options are:

1. Work with a different lead buyer ( get a different job )
2. Run more campaigns ( work more jobs )
3. change up my traffic/LP ( give better service/try something diff in my current job )
4. give up

Notice I didnt mention bitch or moan or treat other badly because of the situation I got myself in with the lead buyer as that does NOTHING for noone.
 
It also needs to be pointed out that waiters do not pay any taxes on tips. That 2.50/hr becomes 0 after taxes, which means all the cash they got is free money. Only tips you are required report for taxes are credit cards. So if you want to make your waiter happy give them cash.
 
Don't tip like a peasant and you'll find that the people that know you hook you up with far more free shit than if you had to pay for it with no tips in the first place. Bad tippers tend to be short sighted.

Edit: granted, that maybe insight you only get if you spent some time in the service industry.
 
you know what I find common in this thread is that almost everyone suggesting to tip is also saying this in their threads sometimes:

"if you tip you get hooked up with free stuff"

1. its not actually free, you paid for it in prior tips

2. couple of guys saying "hehe your baller but complaining about giving a few bucks in tips", however if your so baller why you so worried that you need to give out a few more bucks now, in order to get something MAYBE free in your next visit. If your so baller why you worried about getting something free?

3. If you doing this to make someone feel good, why not take your time and money and donate some more to some kids in the make a wish foundation or a veteran that just lost his legs in combat instead of harping on giving to the single mom that at least has a job?
 
eliquid said:
you know what I find common in this thread is that almost everyone suggesting to tip is also saying this in their threads sometimes:

"if you tip you get hooked up with free stuff"

1. its not actually free, you paid for it in prior tips
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I know nothing is free, but the wages of the bartenders/servers is not actually connected to the profitability of the venue. For example:

Trip 1: tab - $50 of booze billed for $50, tip $15
Trip 2: tab - $50 of booze billed for $50, tip $15
Trip 3: tab - $40 of booze billed but drank $60 worth (both sides feeling out each other now, "the dance", tip $25
Trip 4: tab - $8 of booze billed but drank $60+ worth, tip $30.
Tip 5, 6, 7, 8..... (repeat trip 4) ROI well over 100% if you're a regular.

Tipping is like a like a profitable campaign, it's data driven.
 
I tip 15-30% at every meal out, because I have had family work in the industry at some point or another, and hearing my cousin paint horror stories about the majority of people who come in and bitch and complain and take there shitty day out on someone else.

I am not too worried about throwing a couple of bucks to someone who is nice, funny, gets what I ask, refills my drink without me asking. Don't be cheap, theses people make $2-5 an hour and most of the money they make are on tips. Not saying they can't find a better job but you never know..
 
Dear Wickedfire,
I apologize for tipping people who provide excellent services in their respective industry. Instead I realize I should act like an e-thug and say I make $1,000,000 a day but can't pay a $20 tip. I realize the error of my ways and I need to stop thanking those respective citizens and be an e-thug.

Sincerely,
Jeff
 
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Tipping is optional. I always leave a tip, just because I am a generous person.

However, if people want to bitch about not getting tips, then fucking charge more for the bill and fuck the tip.
 
jeffrey said:
Dear Wickedfire,
I apologize for tipping people who provide excellent services in their respective industry. Instead I realize I should act like an e-thug and say I make $1,000,000 a day but can't pay a $20 tip. I realize the error of my ways and I need to stop thanking those respective citizens and be an e-thug.

Sincerely,
Jeff
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I dont think anyone here said they was making 1mm a day. By the looks of your sig though, id guess you expect someone to tip you for your services too?
 
BeerNuts said:
It also needs to be pointed out that waiters do not pay any taxes on tips. That 2.50/hr becomes 0 after taxes, which means all the cash they got is free money. Only tips you are required report for taxes are credit cards. So if you want to make your waiter happy give them cash.
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The IRS requires servers to report all tips as income, not just credit card tips.

Publication 531 (2010), Reporting Tip Income

It might vary from state to state when it comes to state income taxes.
 
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