One of my fondest memories was working with a local Meetup.com group here in Vegas. We organized this big rally for Paul at UNLV. Eventually we got him to show up and we all got to hang out with him back stage before he went on. I've never been on to worship idols....but fuck me it was awesome. The guy is just do genuine and dedicated. He should be retired now enjoying time with his wife and grandchildren, but instead he continues to carry the fire.
Paul Packs in UCLA with 8,100 tonight, 6,200 Last night...
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Now you're just drinking your own koolaid here.
Obama still has the youth vote in a stranglehold.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbJR6ylt0Y8"]HUGE Obama Campaign Turnout in Portland OR - 50 to 75,000 - YouTube[/ame]
Ok, those news reports say between 50 - 75k people. If I remember correctly though, there were news reports saying 85k people after that rally. Regardless, you can see the sheer wall of people he attracted, and that's just one speech.
Obama is kind of a once in a lifetime type of thing. I doubt he will draw crowds that large this time around. Was there any democrat before him to draw huge crowds like that? I know it's rare in the GOP since it is typically the older party, which is why Paul strands out so much.
John Kerry drew 80,000+ in Wisconsin. There was this guy named Bruce Springsteen there also, though.
Hillary dropped out of the race very early in June 2008.
Some of you are mistaken about the Oregon crowd because that event took place in May 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19campaign.html
April 2008 Obama draws 30-35k people in Philadelphia.
Obama Draws Largest Crowd Of His Campaign At Philadelphia Rally
Some of the other crowd numbers are more difficult to track down and i'm lazy.
After he had the nomination in the bag the crowds got even bigger with him bringing in 75k and 100k in St louis and kansas city.
Huge Obama crowds: 100,000 in St. Louis, 75,000 in K.C. | McClatchy
Some of you are mistaken about the Oregon crowd because that event took place in May 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19campaign.html
April 2008 Obama draws 30-35k people in Philadelphia.
Obama Draws Largest Crowd Of His Campaign At Philadelphia Rally
Some of the other crowd numbers are more difficult to track down and i'm lazy.
After he had the nomination in the bag the crowds got even bigger with him bringing in 75k and 100k in St louis and kansas city.
Huge Obama crowds: 100,000 in St. Louis, 75,000 in K.C. | McClatchy
Quoting all these huge numbers of people that attended Obama rallies only illustrates how many stupid people there are. Goddamn this country is full of gullible motherfuckers, no wonder rebills work so well.
I agree completely. I sure hope someone is charting this stuff for the record... If so we'll no doubt see the trend and be able to plot out where it is heading and by when due to the shape of the curve.
That's essentially Obomba's arsenal: Bribery. Give the public free money... Forgiving student debt loan is the smartest thing he can do for the younger vote, and promises about (cause he sure can't pass laws about) fixing and protecting medicare and SS is the smartest thing he can do for the older crowd. Bribery is all he's got. (That and maybe a hollywood-quality film, too.)
Who was it that said no democracy can survive once the populace realizes that it can vote itself money?
QFT.
You're going blind bro; time to get your eyes checked...
If the fact that Paul is going from college campus to college campus stirring up crowds like these every time doesn't tip you off, let me introduce you to the smoking gun: Huffpo. -The most Liberal-Youth hangout on the whole internet. Rarely a day goes by when a new article is posted up their by a liberal or usually an ex-liberal now praising Paul.
Surely those get attacked in the comments by all the obomba lovers, right? Wrong. Check out the content on these things... It sounds like a Ron Paul rally!
Here's two examples... You may find a hater or two in there but watch what the rest do to him:
Laura Trice: 3 Reasons It's Important to Support Ron Paul to Win the Nomination and Presidency
Robin Koerner: Ron Paul Can Win
THEN there's the organizations popping up, like Blue Republican, who are Ron Paul fanatics who exist to get Ron Paul elected, but by DEMOCRATS. These people are not happy with O.
Why is Paul appealing to the Youth so well?
There have been a few theories floated but I've got my own. I'm going to credit YouTube and Facebook for it. Grandma probably does not know how to share a YT vid that she likes, but this age group was basically born on the internet. These kids are sharing truth with each other faster than previous generations ever could.... And it just so happens that Doc Paul's Truth is the MOST truthful... You all know that.
So just like with genetics experiments, the dominant Idea being passed faster is a good thing. They don't do genetic experiments with turtles, right? They do it with Gnats that show them results within hours...
Baby Boomers = Turtles
Youtube+Humanity = Gnats
Truth = Dominant gene
That's Paul's winning strategy in a nutshell. Since his message is the purest truth (most dominant gene) then it can't be stopped. It's just a matter of time for it to catch on properly.
Awesome, thanks for that fact. That gives Paul 2 Whole months to keep this trend up.
Odd, the HuffPo peice above about the initial crowd was dated: "First Posted: 07/29/08 03:41 PM ET" WTF?
Ah. Ok, that one stings a bit. Still, he was not hated by and blacked out constantly by the media like Paul, so at the very least it's fair to say Paul COULD have been there by now if he had their support.
(Yeah, that and a buck will get me a dollar menu item. I know.
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Had to add this pic from last night:
And here's one from tonight's Berkley crowd:
...They still haven't said how many ppl this is; guestimates are between 5K and 8K. (So slightly smaller I'd say, but being the most liberal campus on the continent I'm ok with this news.)
And here's one from tonight's Berkley crowd:
...They still haven't said how many ppl this is; guestimates are between 5K and 8K. (So slightly smaller I'd say, but being the most liberal campus on the continent I'm ok with this news.)
This one is dedicated to Nickycakes and all the other Blind bastards who think the media isn't Deliberately out to get Paul:
^Ah fuck. They killed the hotlink... Here it is a bit smaller from a different source:
Oh yeah, and here's one comparing a Romney crowd in his HOME STATE:
Oh yeah, and here's one comparing a Romney crowd in his HOME STATE:
Agreed that's a lot, but things that I take into consideration:
1) The media lies about figures. There have been scenarios where I've seen them claim that 100,000+ people was 15,000 or 20,000 people. They have no problem just blatantly lying about figures.
2) He's their media darling and probably received MASSIVE promotion on all news channels that week.
3) He had a huge budget to help promote his visits.
Considering RP is pretty much working on a shoestring budget of most $10 and $20 donations and gets virtually no positive media support, I'd say his 8K people is pretty awesome. If you add to that the fact that 4 years ago when he ran, his crowds were 1/2 or a 1/3 of that, I'd say he's making progress.
1.) No, RP isn't working on a shoe string budget. He makes millions in donations during every "money bomb". He's also the only person on the ballot in all 50 states.
2.) Where do you think a good portion of Obama's donations came from in 2008? Right, the same $10 and $20 donations you're talking about now.
3.) You guys have to come to the realization that not everyone agrees with RP's policies. Just because you do, doesn't mean everyone else is an idiot. That's the way the democratic system works.
4.) Again, reality check. Even if RP does somehow miraculously win the GOP nomination, he still has to go against Obama in the general election. Do you have any idea of how uphill of a battle that will be? Like it or not, Obama has a good amount to brag about. He'll absolutely crush whoever the GOP nominee is.
5.) Obama is a sitting President, and just that simple fact makes the incline of the uphill battle even far greater. Being able to unseat a sitting President is definitely a tough job.
He can bring in 1-2 million a month. You know as well as I do how limited of a budget that is when you are trying to advertise. You could easily drop 1 million a day and not reach everyone you want to reach.
WRONG! Most of his money came from Goldman Sachs, the same place as romney, bush, etc etc etc. He did have strong grassroots support, there's no denying that, but in reality he was bought and paid for by the big guys, just like every other major candidate. don't fool yourself.
this really has nothing to do with our conversation.
this has nothing to do with our conversation
stating the obvious is brilliant, so good job with that.
I try to stay out of these political threads because I always end up sounding like a troll, but alas ...
The youth of this country are waking up to Obama's lies. Hope and change? More like more of the same. We voted Obama in because he said shit was going to change. We looked past his crony ties, his questionable birth, his questionable religeon, and his lack of any sort of track record because he promised us real, quantifiable change. We placed faith in him. Thats how Obama got the youth vote. 4 years in and not a damn thing has changed. It's gotten worse and Obama is just as war-hungry as Bush (probably even more so) Now that we know we've been duped we're irate.
The youth in this country are scared, angry and generally fucked; and we know it. We know social security is a bust, it wont be there for us. We know the education system is heavily flawed and flat out shitty. We know the judicial system is flawed, weak and strips millions of people of their rights and dignity. We know by the time our parents are dead we're going to be up to our eyeballs in the debt they created. We know this will be our country to run in a decade or so.
We grew up (atleast I did) with the promise that America is the land of the free. We were promised if we worked hard, learned a lot we'd be just fine in the future. We were taught because of capitalism and the freedom in this country that our future was secure and that the Constitution protected us from ANYONE who wanted to take that away. We used to laugh at other countries for their draconian, socialist laws...
We were sold that bill of goods from the time we were old enough to talk. Now that we're older, we're trying to collect on these promises and we can't because our parents and grand parents fucking blew it all in the name of "freedom." And while they might have had good intentions they flat out fucked us. They fucked over an entire generation and it will take our entire lives to "unfuck" it.
I think what really pisses me off the most is the shit my parents and grandparents set up for me is going to affect the rest of my life. I'm an adult now and I'm still living under their rules because they're laws now.
But I digress ... When the youth look at Ron Paul we don't see an old man. We see what we were promised, we see actual CHANGE and HOPE because he has stood by his values, and his promises from day fucking 1. He laughs at lobbyists, he laughs at corporations, he is the only candidate that isn't wholly corrupted. He doesn't play those games and he defends the constitution not only when it's popular.
Fuck republicans and democrats ... they're all the same piece of shit wearing the same high dollar suit trying to tell us how to live.
The youth of this country are waking up to Obama's lies. Hope and change? More like more of the same. We voted Obama in because he said shit was going to change. We looked past his crony ties, his questionable birth, his questionable religeon, and his lack of any sort of track record because he promised us real, quantifiable change. We placed faith in him. Thats how Obama got the youth vote. 4 years in and not a damn thing has changed. It's gotten worse and Obama is just as war-hungry as Bush (probably even more so) Now that we know we've been duped we're irate.
The youth in this country are scared, angry and generally fucked; and we know it. We know social security is a bust, it wont be there for us. We know the education system is heavily flawed and flat out shitty. We know the judicial system is flawed, weak and strips millions of people of their rights and dignity. We know by the time our parents are dead we're going to be up to our eyeballs in the debt they created. We know this will be our country to run in a decade or so.
We grew up (atleast I did) with the promise that America is the land of the free. We were promised if we worked hard, learned a lot we'd be just fine in the future. We were taught because of capitalism and the freedom in this country that our future was secure and that the Constitution protected us from ANYONE who wanted to take that away. We used to laugh at other countries for their draconian, socialist laws...
We were sold that bill of goods from the time we were old enough to talk. Now that we're older, we're trying to collect on these promises and we can't because our parents and grand parents fucking blew it all in the name of "freedom." And while they might have had good intentions they flat out fucked us. They fucked over an entire generation and it will take our entire lives to "unfuck" it.
I think what really pisses me off the most is the shit my parents and grandparents set up for me is going to affect the rest of my life. I'm an adult now and I'm still living under their rules because they're laws now.
But I digress ... When the youth look at Ron Paul we don't see an old man. We see what we were promised, we see actual CHANGE and HOPE because he has stood by his values, and his promises from day fucking 1. He laughs at lobbyists, he laughs at corporations, he is the only candidate that isn't wholly corrupted. He doesn't play those games and he defends the constitution not only when it's popular.
Fuck republicans and democrats ... they're all the same piece of shit wearing the same high dollar suit trying to tell us how to live.
I know! I would just ignore that pesky thing called reality too. Such a nuisance, isn't it?
I have yet to hear a Ron Paul detractor clearly and intelligently state why they don't like his positions. What makes you any different?
And what's this thing you call "reality"? What the newspapers tell you?
Lolz.
It's annoying as fuck to try and talk to someone who changes the subject. You don't like RP, that's fine. You don't think he'll win, cool. But what the fuck does that have to do with attendance numbers at rallies?
Reality is that we will probably have a brokered convention in Tampa because no one is going to have 1140 delegates. That means that he will effect GOP policy at minimum, and actually still has a chance to win the nomination.