Road Warriors are pussies man, me and my guys from the Cobra Kai would snap them like dry twigs!
Pepper Spray !!
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Class division at OWS - love it:
Occupy Wall Street Divided - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11/16/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Occupy Wall Street Divided - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11/16/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Make sure you watch all of the way to the end of that video. To the part where the OWS organizers organize and meet in a WALL STREET building to decide what is good for the rest of the group away from the rest of the group.
A federal court in 2005 ruled that pepper spraying the nonviolent qualifies as excessive force. So in this case, the latter option may also include walking away with money after suing the university and/or police.
I did not know that. It would be interesting to see how a scenario involving physical retaliation on a cop would play out.
I'm cynical. Cops are placed on leave (with pay) for actions that are far more aggressive than pepper spraying nonviolent/nonthreatening protesters. And even then, only when the public cries out for "justice." Usually, the cops suffer no consequences.
Here's an example (cops killing dogs during blown drug raids - it happens a lot).
Here's another example (cops killing citizens during blown drug raids - first two paragraphs). It is unclear what happened to the SWAT team members. And another.
Here's another sad, and infuriating, example. I include this one to support your point about a legal judgment being found in favor of the victim (of course, the money didn't help her much). Here's more info to flesh out the case:
Kathryn Johnston shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pennington apologizes for Johnston slaying, says hurt lingers GAY| ajc.com
City to pay slain woman's family $4.9 million GAY| ajc.com
Note that none of the above episodes involved physical retaliation against the cops. I suspect that's a whole 'nuther ballgame. I would not be surprised if a judge disregarded an argument of self-defense, which would expose the pepper-spray-victim-turned-assailant to an assault charge against an officer. He might receive an apology from the city and a sizable payout (years later?), but be forced to endure significant hardship along the way.
Disclaimer: I am biased against cops.
The Jon Stewart show is the best! That clip was pretty funny, the reporter chick has hilarious facial expressions. Then again everyone on the JS show has great facial expressions, LOL...
the wf community should sponsor some of these ows people with no money to do some road warrior action on camera for like xx,xxx i bet a lot of people would
lol you guys
They were blocking a walkway which as mentioned is illegal and infringing on everybody's rights. They were given ample time to get up and leave, and were told they would be pepper sprayed. But they chose to be hipster pricks fighting for no cause, so they got sprayed.
If you're going to do something illegal, be a huge prick about it, and refuse to follow the law...you deserve it. That is FAR from police brutality.
They were blocking a walkway which as mentioned is illegal and infringing on everybody's rights. They were given ample time to get up and leave, and were told they would be pepper sprayed. But they chose to be hipster pricks fighting for no cause, so they got sprayed.
If you're going to do something illegal, be a huge prick about it, and refuse to follow the law...you deserve it. That is FAR from police brutality.
Pepper spray is banned for use in war by Article I.5 of the Chemical Weapons Convention, but fine to use on U.S. citizens in their own country for blocking a sidewalk by sitting? :ugone2far:
Imagine if the Army tried to deploy a pepperspray hose/cannon at a legion of people... They'd die instantly in extreme pain because of the high quantities involved... Couldn't escape it.
In small quantities it doesn't kill you, it just makes you not resist as much.
No, they've admitted it was pepper spray.
- Most of the common positions related to occupy aren't about getting money. It's present of course(they're fine with taxing the very top), but more than that they see an issue with corporations controlling our politicians via election money and lobbyists.
I've talked to a lot of these people and most are of the opinion that as long as the system is poisoned it will produce poison results. Even amongst those that want "more money" that comes in somewhat secondary because many don't believe the government is capable of doing such a thing while it's beholden to outside interests to the extent that they are.
- For a lot of people a major complaint is that they can't find jobs. If you're coming out with a college degree you face a pretty unique situation. You're over-qualified for low end jobs so you won't get hired. You're under-qualified for jobs in your field because there's so many people with years of experience who were laid off and want the same job you do. The end result is that many can only find part time employment or can find none at all. This generation(the 20-25 year olds) are fucked in a way we haven't seen in recent history.
- Only 15% of the Occupiers are unemployed. Not only is that unemployment rate lower than that of the tea party, but it's with 6% of the average unemployment rate.
I'm officially a fanboy of yours.No, they've admitted it was pepper spray.
- Most of the common positions related to occupy aren't about getting money. It's present of course(they're fine with taxing the very top), but more than that they see an issue with corporations controlling our politicians via election money and lobbyists.
I've talked to a lot of these people and most are of the opinion that as long as the system is poisoned it will produce poison results. Even amongst those that want "more money" that comes in somewhat secondary because many don't believe the government is capable of doing such a thing while it's beholden to outside interests to the extent that they are.- For a lot of people a major complaint is that they can't find jobs. If you're coming out with a college degree you face a pretty unique situation. You're over-qualified for low end jobs so you won't get hired. You're under-qualified for jobs in your field because there's so many people with years of experience who were laid off and want the same job you do. The end result is that many can only find part time employment or can find none at all. This generation(the 20-25 year olds) are fucked in a way we haven't seen in recent history.
- Only 15% of the Occupiers are unemployed. Not only is that unemployment rate lower than that of the tea party, but it's with 6% of the average unemployment rate.
I think this whole thing will get violent and out of hand before it's over. I lived through the whole racial thing from back in the 60's. While I'm not black I think I can understand what those people were feeling and thinking at that time.
When people are pushed hard and far enough they will fight back....
When people are pushed hard and far enough they will fight back....
They get the diagnosis right. But their "treatment" will not deliver the results they want. They are essentially imploring the state to self-police. That is a horrible starting point since the state has never been adept at that. The following sums up my position (from here):
Not to mention the effect it's going to have on their lifetime earnings.
OWS definitely needs an image makeover. People perceive them as unemployed - and thanks to recent episodes in Seattle and Oakland, violent - brats. They're losing the public. If they lose the public, they lose the war.
It's the best of the available options. OWS would not be able to bring about an anarchist state. While I appreciate the views put forth in your article, it's not realistic. If you hold out for something like that you're going to be waiting until the end of time.
In the meantime, having the state at least attempt policing themselves is better than them not even trying.
I don't think they're losing the public, I think they're driving the people who already hated them into hysteria. Polls have shown they have pretty solid support in most places.
A full 72%(vs 24%) of New Yorkers think they should be able to stay.. 52% support the movement as a whole(vs 35% not supporting). The approval for the police's handling of the protests is just 45%....5/8ths of the support for OWS.
At a time when Congress's approval rating is just 9%, Those types of numbers are absolutely unheard of in the American political system. If those numbers are at all indicative of how the rest of the country feels, they are more popular than any political institution, politician, or political group that exists in the country today.
I have seen various data, and there are inconsistencies. For example, here's a poll that demonstrates the opposite of the Quinnipiac poll (it's a PDF):
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_11161023.pdf
Summary (or talking points*) here.
Frankly, I always take poll results with a few grains of salt. Unless I can see the questions (methodology), and learn how the target population was selected ("randomly" is thrown around, but that poses potential issues), I say "huh!" and move on. When I say, "OWS is losing the public," I'm basing it on random conversations and online, ear-to-the-pavement, coverage. I admit, it's not very scientific, and I could be very wrong.
Comparisons of support percentages to those of other groups are also problematic (apples to oranges, etc.). Kinda like asking a guy to submit approval percentages for his wife and mother. You'll get data, but comparing them with any hope of insight is difficult. I know I'm splitting hairs, but there you go.
* hah! (Thems the jokes, folks.)