Product Sellers Forum?

megatabbers said:
Clickbanksuccessforum LOL! I remember being a member of that a few years ago. Every 5 minutes there would be a thread that reads, "Is Clickbank down?!!!" I usually get 2 sales a day and now 3 days have gone by with no sales. Help!!!" - retards. Also, the other WF sucks BIGTIME.

On a more serious note, I don't know why people knock information products. Real info products that solve REAL problems (not bullshit how to make money online) are AMAZING, long-term cash cows. I don't know of any good forums you can go to but if you PM me with your business model (don't need to know your market or any specifics) I can help you set up with all the taguchi testing, upsells, and backend strategies that are really working for myself.
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Yea tell me about it. I found myself buying a guinea pig guide and was actually happy with the content.

As for the other forums, alot of them are filled with complainers and people who are just getting started out. I like the fact that WF members are always chipping in.
 


evelynds said:
Straight cash > Noble aesthetic. But only to those of stringent resilience.

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Philip, I understand you completely, don't get me wrong. I'm European and hang out with the crowd every week. But beneath the silk and pearls lies nothing but the came carnal dependence on net revenue that drives every other man on the street.
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This. I understand where Phillip is coming from. But to me when I see companies like Blackstone, $329M profit a year I think wow. What's that? $329M was the profit for just a quarter?? W.T.F.

Phillip, if you're reaching for goals like that then props to you.

For me, that's completely out of any level I'd ever wish to be on. The headaches of running a company like that must be phenomenal. The lifestyle that comes with a company like that isn't for me.

But you can find a balance. You don't have to 'peddle' anything. You can run a respectable business providing all sorts of educational/informational products/manuals/dvd's/courses and still make more then enough money to have a great relaxed lifestyle and still give back to <your choice>.

Then there are crosses between the two, with huge companies like Guthy-Renker banking in the hundreds of milions with direct marketing principles.

If that's not for you, each to his own. I'll only ever encourage you to do what you wish, and hope you get it.

And us getting together to share techniques + methods, can still be done. We can still all help each other with an abundant, sharing attitude.

Keep watching this thread. I'm still looking at a few places for us to to this. many members have been really helpful so far. Thank you.

When I find something I'll drop it here.


Garrett said:
Definitely down!

...and its also good to see people here who aren't quick to flaming the topic.

Anyone read the book by Vincent James "How I Made $77 Million in 2 Years"? For those who haven't, here's an upload

How I Made 77 Million In 2 Years.pdf
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I love that man. Vince 'Passafiume' James seems like a cool guy. He was closed down for some shady stuff, but as far as his knowledge goes, he's A+. $7M a month is not too shabby.

Just following the info in that book alone can make you rich. Check out his audios too if you can.

He's a straight student of Halbert + Kennedy. As a matter of fact, I swear he got started with direct marketing after reading an Abraham course.
 
Garrett said:
Definitely down!

...and its also good to see people here who aren't quick to flaming the topic.

Anyone read the book by Vincent James "How I Made $77 Million in 2 Years"? For those who haven't, here's an upload :338:

How I Made 77 Million In 2 Years.pdf
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Lol, fuck me that takes me back.

I used to sell that a while ago. Had the rights to it. You wouldn't believe the upsell take rates we were getting. In fact I forget why we stopped selling it now...
 
For me, that's completely out of any level I'd ever wish to be on. The headaches of running a company like that must be phenomenal. The lifestyle that comes with a company like that isn't for me.
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This. I'd rather make a few mil a year doing what I want, when I want, then running some big ass company with a bunch of offices and employees. Unless you're the kind of person who can't be happy in life until you own a private jet, sports team, 3 vacation homes, etc. there is no point in doing it (just for the money).

If you're the type of guy who would enjoy growing a business like that, taking it public, or just busting your ass for however long it takes to build it up and sell it for a nice profit, then go for it. Different strokes for different folks.

If I didn't have a family, kids, insane passion for a few hobbies that I spend *alot* of time enjoying, etc. I might be more interested in building a "real" business just for the challenge ... but no thanks. At least not now. Maybe when I'm 50 and have more time because the kids are out of the house and I can't do some of the things I enjoy doing now ...
 
metoo said:
This. I understand where Phillip is coming from. But to me when I see companies like Blackstone, $329M profit a year I think wow. What's that? $329M was the profit for just a quarter?? W.T.F.
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Don't forget that financial firms often don't even own 1/10th of their reported assets. There was some hugely elitist private bank in Amsterdam, with a few hundred million under management. Still, it struck me how the employees and execs, despite these numbers, despite great prestige, constant favors from news reporters and an overall perfect public image, just didn't live any better than footballers earning $10m or even a random singer with just $5. Once the bank got taken over in 2008, the cat came out of the bag. The banks own account had less than $2m balance. Nearly 98% of their 'value' consisted of loans stacked upon loans, sitting in leveraged stocks, more loans, equity from third persons who also funded themselves with loans, and so on. At the end of all calculations, Shoemoney has more net cash than these guys!

There will be a lot of exceptions, but at the same time there are a lot of cases where someone with $2-10m in straight cash has more disposable income than $mmm wallstreet or similar hotshots whose wealth consist grossly of debt to banks.

Live Case Example: anonym.to - free dereferer service

CEO of one of the largest Dutch banks. Networth valued over $800 million for nearly a decade. Also one of those picture-perfect, art gallery living, board seat holding types. Now that his bank's gone, it's time to face reality and base his net worth on his ACTUAL NET ASSETS. Which scrape somewhere between 1 (!!) and ten million depending on which assets he really physically owns. Are you kidding me? $800 million in cashmere wonderland but only $1m when it comes down to it? People on fucking WF have more than that. And as long as they keep working and not get distracted by these things, they will earn multitudes of it, too.

If you're good at a craft, be good at it and keep doing just that. Expand only in harmony with your own instinct, not because guys walking out of 100st buildings in anthracite suits seems to arouse orgasms with everyone else. If you're proven exceptional at your thing, those same guys will come visiting you themselves!
 
Reading my own message... I almost have to conclude that all of this corporate prestige serves no other purpose than securing unrestricted access to sky-high credit lines, lol.
 
lol definitely one of the benefits, methinks

evelynds said:
Reading my own message... I almost have to conclude that all of this corporate prestige serves no other purpose than securing unrestricted access to sky-high credit lines, lol.
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Wow. This is on Wickedfire?

I write the copy for a lot of info-products. I've got quite a few of my own.

I agree that most of the stuff you see on CB is crap, but there's soooo much money in this stuff it's ridiculous. I'm talking outside of Clickbank and make moniez on the interwebz.

Current client of mine, famous MMA instructor selling a bad ass DVD course. I won't out my clients or specific niches (this is way more specific than just MMA) but I will say there's big money for info out there and I'm happy to see a logical thread on info-products.

If any of you guys want to form a group, have any questions about what's possible, curious about market viability... Whatever, shoot me a PM and I'll help however I can.

I've almost completely abandoned affiliate marketing the last couple of years because, IMHO if played right this stuff can be MUCH bigger and a helluva lot more profitable when you own and control the products and the buyers lists behind those products

This is a serious breath of fresh air around here, I was starting to hate this place.

-Scott
 
^ Same.

I've been quiet about what I do and how because of the way these models are looked at in these parts. I've done quite well and sleep much better at night doing digital products instead of flipping forced rebills or pharm.

Feel a little apprehentious about this but fuck it: My last three years of me building my own product line = quite the chunk of change and this is only the front end of the offers: Sneak Peak >>

Feel free to pick my brain a bit, I'm no Halbert or Kern but am on the right path so far...
 
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Shhhhhhhhh!

Guys theres is no money to be made on digital products. It's true.

Keep being an internet gangsta baller by pushing scams.
 
scottspfd82 said:
Wow. This is on Wickedfire?

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This is a serious breath of fresh air around here, I was starting to hate this place.
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Hehe... When I first started this thread, I was actually going to write about how comes there's so much hate for info products around here!?!

Personally I've been an affiliate and a product owner. I know why the 'I maik moniez' products get slack. But all info products aren't about that - there is a completely different (lucrative) world above that.

Different set of pros and cons of being either. But I personally see the move towards being a product owner as a profit progression of being an affiliate, but of course, it comes with a whole load of extra hassle.

Different strokes I guess. One thing I know for sure is that being a product owner taught me a boat load more about being a better affiliate.
 
Don't worry there's plenty of folks here who think most rebills are just scams and info products are perfectly legit.
 
Who's organizing this forum? It looks like there is interest (including me) but is anyone pulling something together?
 
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