Rand Paul Filibuster in the Senate LIVE on CSPAN re:Drone Strikes in US

Today McCain and Graham are attacking Rand. Where were they yesterday? Oh, that's right. They were busy being wined & dined by Obama. Jerkoffs.
 


What does that have to do with him standing almost alone on this issue? Are you suggesting 1 man should be judge, jury, and executioner?

Where was your senator when this guy was standing up to protect the country last night?

Are you a phag for Rand Paul or something?:D
 
I'll support Rand Paul in this current endeavor because actions are what is most important here and he seems to be the only one acting at the moment. But, IMO, he showed his true colors last year and I'll not so easily forgive and forget.
 
Are you a phag for Rand Paul or something?:D

Not until yesterday. He deserves a little head for his trouble.

He is the next best thing we have next to this guy

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Rand Paul agreed to vote for Brennen after Holder issued this statement today:

"It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: `Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no."

Define "engaged".

Define "combat".

Define "American".

Define "No".

Statists gonna State.


Like most politicians and their lapdogs, Eric Holder is a slippery SOB. From a 2012 speech given to Northwestern University:

Let me be clear: an operation using lethal force in a foreign country, targeted against a U.S. citizen who is a senior operational leader of al Qaeda or associated forces, and who is actively engaged in planning to kill Americans, would be lawful at least in the following circumstances: First, the U.S. government has determined, after a thorough and careful review, that the individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States; second, capture is not feasible; and third, the operation would be conducted in a manner consistent with applicable law of war principles.


Well, no wonder they targeted this young man...


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From Junod's blog series on the topic from 2012 (a decent read, by the way):


He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.

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Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was 16 on the day he was killed. "I tried every legal means to stop the targeted killing of my son," says his grandfather Nasser al-Awlaki, the father of Anwar al-Awlaki. ”But Eric Holder and Barack Obama are giving us a new definition of the due process of the law. How can they kill him without due process?"


Glenn Greenwald, as usual, cuts to the chase:

the President and his underlings are your accuser, your judge, your jury and your executioner all wrapped up in one, acting in total secrecy and without your even knowing that he’s accused you and sentenced you to death, and you have no opportunity even to know about, let alone confront and address, his accusations; is that not enough due process for you?


As you implied, just because Holder sends a craftily-written letter that seems to state U.S. citizens won't be assassinated on U.S. soil, he is not believable.


Here is another good piece by Greenwald on the assassination bit...

Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

And a good one by Tom Junod at Esquire from 2012.
 
And let's also not forget the incremental march toward this insanity e.g. Bush the younger Justice Department council John Yoo's torture memos penned for the CIA declaring that torture is just peachy, including dragging detainees around by their penises with ropes and raping them with batons and battery acid, and they can't get in trouble because it's not on us soil and the Geneva Conventions don't apply because oh look Janet Jackson's nipple.

Yoo acting in front of actors, and more if you can bear watching

This same war criminal was lovingly given immunity from prosecution a while back in the only milquetoast legal result of that entire debacle. And the icing on the cake is Yoo criticizing Paul for his 'extreme positions' as though the word extreme is foreign to Yoo's temperament. Fucker.
 
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Like most politicians and their lapdogs, Eric Holder is a slippery SOB. From a 2012 speech given to Northwestern University:

Well, no wonder they targeted this young man...


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From Junod's blog series on the topic from 2012 (a decent read, by the way):

Glenn Greenwald, as usual, cuts to the chase:

As you implied, just because Holder sends a craftily-written letter that seems to state U.S. citizens won't be assassinated on U.S. soil, he is not believable.

Here is another good piece by Greenwald on the assassination bit...

Chilling legal memo from Obama DOJ justifies assassination of US citizens | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

And a good one by Tom Junod at Esquire from 2012.

Glenn Greenwald is a god amongst men. That fucker has been tireless in his writing on these issues and completely non-partisan.

And kudos to Rand Paul for forcing the administration to bow down and put that shit in writing. It may be slippery language but thanks to the filibuster I think he single-handedly changed the conversation on drones like nobody else has up to this point.
 
I think Rand Paul knows it's a lie. He knows where they are headed. What he wants though is a public quote he can point back to when they cross the line. He wants something to use to make them squirm.

I believe he also knows when they cross this line and he points back to the quote and says "WTF, I thought we had agreed" - they will just come up with some BS reasoning to justify it. But that's the game. His job is to make them squirm and come up with BS reasoning, in public. The more squirming he makes them do, and BS reasoning he makes them use, the more people see it and the more people wake up to the thought of hey this isn't right.
 
Lindsey Graham is getting the worst of it right now:

As good a day as this was for Sen. Rand Paul on Twitter, it was at least that bad for Sen. Lindsey Graham.

Laced throughout the thousands of tweets cheering on the filbustering Kentucky Republican was a vicious, visceral anger aimed squarely at the South Carolinian up for reelection next year.

The rallying cry hashtag: #PrimaryGraham.

“This very well could be a defining moment in this particular campaign — the moment Lindsey Graham lost his grip on the boots on the ground in South Carolina,” Daniel Encarnacion, state secretary for the Republican Liberty Caucus, said in an interview.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/lindsey-grahams-very-bad-day-on-twitter-88602.html
 

"virtually everybody in the country agrees" - That's some nice hyperbole and/or wishful thinking. Much of the American public would love to have a reality tv series where they get to play judge, jury, and drone strike executioner for people like Casey Anthony.


Pawlenty: Obama’s drone strikes ‘don’t go far enough’ | The Raw Story

Internet activity is still "youth" dominated, but the youths are also still the least likely to vote, especially in primaries. I recall exit polls for state Republican primaries in 2012 where 85% or so of the voters were over age 40. It's not a stretch to say that a lot of that demographic agrees with Pawlenty, even though they don't make it known on Twitter.
 
John McCain is so stupid, he insulted everybody that was supporting Paul by calling them kids in their dorm rooms.

He obviously hasn't learned from the election and continues to alienate entire groups of people. Old white people are no longer the majority of voters. If the republican party are lead by people like him and Graham, they are going to continue to lose every election.