RANT: Do You Take Advantage Of "Good" People?

Since starting as a freelance designer and morphing to more serious work over the years I have had to figure out client management.

The hardest part was learning when to say "hey, fuck off" Now days all it takes is a client to be rude to my secretary for me to tell them to pack sand.
 


Since starting as a freelance designer and morphing to more serious work over the years I have had to figure out client management.

The hardest part was learning when to say "hey, fuck off" Now days all it takes is a client to be rude to my secretary for me to tell them to pack sand.

See that's the difference with someone who is more experienced with a larger client base over the years, than I. I've always been paid upfront too....literally. So that's another issue to tell someone to get lost, when they've already paid me...


Also, an issue, if I've already started writing the project. Which wasn't the case here, but I wouldn't want my time to be wasted that way either, just because of some emotional jargumble.


But, this client wasn't rude either. They were just a bit cocky in the end.
 
And the guy was angry because I didn't write...like I said I would. That's a NATURAL reaction, when one pays another to do something for them in advance....and the other person does not complete the task at hand.

you must be easy to convince

that is NOT a natural reaction.. the agreement was you would write and be compensated for your work... you did not complete the task, were upfront about it, and refunded the client relinquishing you of the verbal agreement you two had.. this happens and I've been on both ends. the guy you are dealing with is just playing you
 
you must be easy to convince

that is NOT a natural reaction.. the agreement was you would write and be compensated for your work... you did not complete the task, were upfront about it, and refunded the client relinquishing you of the verbal agreement you two had.. this happens and I've been on both ends. the guy you are dealing with is just playing you

I figured as much, when I sat there doing their homework....and when I kept saying it's not something I am qualified to be doing in the first place....they had that "attitude" of "oh...well I'll just do it myself then, EVEN THOUGH I'm busy"...that attitude, is what made me just end up doing it, because they seemed rather cranky.


I know that was a ploy/game of some sorts....and quite cheeky. But I didn't want to leave it on bad terms. To me now, it's on bad terms, and there's a sour taste in my mouth. Not how I personally wanted to end that kind of thing, since it was my fault to begin with.
 
i still don't think this has been mentioned enough:

400 FREE ARTICLES????
 
i still don't think this has been mentioned enough:

400 FREE ARTICLES????


Either play big or go home. People shouldn't be afraid to offer things for free. Even at a cost. Now this was a bit ridiculous for one person, I understand, it also smoldered the fire.

Now this person could have had 400 articles...for free, had they not completely gone overboard themselves asking for everything under the sun...and making it ridiculous on their end.


So take that as a lesson as well....that there are people willing to give you a lot, especially to make you happy in the end.... but if you get really FRICKING greedy, they might just say NO.


I've had people give me a lot as well. Believe it or not, this is nothing new to me. You have to GIVE to get, and I have received a lot...so sometimes I feel like giving.

Might be a hard concept for those who have paid for ebooks and tons of courses....in order to get ahead, because they had to invest a lot of money and time on top of that. BUT, it is actually possible to get people to do things for you, and for people to do things for you....without paying anything.


And that sounds ridiculous, but that person was offered this, and I offered it, because they were decent and didn't swear at me. I would never offer this to someone who swore at me, or someone who called me names, or someone who was just plain rude.


They weren't rude. They were rather understanding....and were extremely patient. BUT, they got a bit cocky. That was all.
 
Also, are you sure this rant isn't just some sort of link bait to get more writing gigs? If it is, excellent work.


...annnnnnd we have a winner!

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Honestly, I don't, for one fucking second, believe that anyone is dumb enough to write 400 articles for free.
I just don't, sorry. If this isn't a marketing ploy to gain new clients then you're seriously a retard. If it is a marketing ploy, you're fucking awesome.
 
...annnnnnd we have a winner!

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O'rly? I don't look that good! And I am more orange than green! I also have horns coming out of my nose....and my unibrow is more thick. This guy isn't nearly as wrinkly as I am either.

And since when did real trolls ever find success in forums? Get real.


Also, you don't believe anyone would do that, simply because no one ever offered that to you specifically. I am sorry then, that no one ever went above and beyond for you. And sure, sounds ridiculous, sounded ridiculous to my client as well. But heck...it sounded ridiculous to me to sit there writing up a dissertation, or to be asked to spin articles and write ebooks on top of that.
 
I'm sure that this is a sneaky self promotion, because you can't be THAT fucking retarded to agree to write 400 articles for FREE, even after a full refund. I understand 1 or maybe 2 articles for free, but 400? No way.

P.S Let me know how much you charge for a 7 page College thesis paper.
 
Sorry HH. You said the prepaid full amount was $300, followed by 50 free articles offered, then and additional 50 to make 400 free articles. Purely based on those numbers I assumed $1 per for the original deal...then further figured you must be ESL at those rates, it was no "dig" at your English skills. :D

Anyhow, you have my vote. Why not start a sell thread and make yourself some well earned $? Seriously, while most people here are smart-assed (myself included), I think you have cultivated a genuine interest here. I wouldn't waste anymore time pondering things with this ebook character.
 
Thats Life...

Everyone gets taken advantage of.... unknowingly and knowingly...
Keep your head up and don't burn your self out...! Really it's important to your work.... If you are getting taken advantage of tell the person... Conflicts are important in life to make a clean slate..... So accept conflict and go in with a mind frame of knowing your boundaries... Tell the client what they are...
You will feel better then .... and you will be able to say yes or no easier....
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1. You failed to complete a prepaid assignment.
2. You communicated (a bit late) and refunded all of the client's money.
3. You were scared the client was going to attack you on a public forum so you volunteered to write hundreds of free articles to avoid the drama.
4. You also did your client's homework
5. You also wrote ebooks.
6. You come to a public forum and rant about how the client took advantage of you.

Really?

Are you sure you need to be in business? I don't care if you charge $1 or $100 per article. If you're serious about it, freelance writing should be treated like a business. That means learning how to handle clients, doing things to protect your brand (writing someone's college papers - wow.) and learning to conduct yourself in a professional manner - perhaps by communicating more effectively ahead of time about potentially missed deadlines and refunds.

I got confused about 42 posts ago - are you still writing or did you decide you hated it? If you're going to do it, do it correctly at least.
 
Sorry HH. You said the prepaid full amount was $300, followed by 50 free articles offered, then and additional 50 to make 400 free articles. Purely based on those numbers I assumed $1 per for the original deal...then further figured you must be ESL at those rates, it was no "dig" at your English skills. :D

Anyhow, you have my vote. Why not start a sell thread and make yourself some well earned $? Seriously, while most people here are smart-assed (myself included), I think you have cultivated a genuine interest here. I wouldn't waste anymore time pondering things with this ebook character.


That wouldn't be wise to start a thread, since people think I be trollin'. Not good advice right now. Anyways, I made this thread to discuss taking advantage of people....which apparently no one has really had the chance to do... Or maybe y'all were just the ones being taken advantage of, and were never on the receiving end of that.

Was just a thought. How things could have been, or could have turned out differently.
 
I'm sure that this is a sneaky self promotion, because you can't be THAT fucking retarded to agree to write 400 articles for FREE, even after a full refund. I understand 1 or maybe 2 articles for free, but 400? No way.

P.S Let me know how much you charge for a 7 page College thesis paper.


The "dissertation" I wrote was 13 pages long.... no joke. I revised it back down to about 8 pages I believe.

Anyways, since no one believes me:

here's PART 1 (read from the bottom up) and part 2 is below this...:




From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:56:56 AM
Subject: Re: Projects


Well further along it does talk about hitler's policy. But what you need to is read it and summarize it in 30 slides.

That's pretty much it.
2010/4/8 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Hello,

Well I'm not exactly sure what this project is really about then. You just analyze a chapter....and make points about it, but you told me it's about hitler's policy...lol, but I am reading it, and it's completely different ! LOL....!?

so anyways, I think what I am going to do now is talk about "Taylor's" views on certain things as described by him in his book, within this book.LOL

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:52:28 AM
Subject: Re: Projects


Exactly. And there's no outline, that was given in class so no written document.
2010/4/8 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Hello,

Do you have the outline of the project anywhere? I am not sure if you were given this project by a professor or what, but didn't it come with an outline or something ?

Could I see that outline please?

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:45:41 AM
Subject: Re: Projects


This is a college work. Yes this is an someone's analysis of another person analysis. And I have to analyse the analysis of the analysis...

I know, tell me about it...


2010/4/8 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Im not sure for who you need this for....but the first part of the chapter is talking about another book, called "The Origins of the Second War".....and the author of it.....but you told me to write about Hitler's Foreign Policy...

Regards,

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness@ymail.com
Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:31:44 AM
Subject: Projects

Here is a pdf version of it, hope it works:

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Thanks
 
And PART 2 (read from the bottom up):


What if I only send you, say, ebooks? (and those are for me)

Thanks
2010/4/10 Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
Ok then I totally understand, I will start looking for another writer.

I am sorry that you feel that way and I truly apologize for that.

Thanks
2010/4/10 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Hello,

You have me considering hiring a writer just to get these done for you, so that they are out of my way, and out of my life. I don't even have such resources to hire a writer for you right now. Honestly don't feel like writing for you either.

Regards,

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 5:04:21 PM
Subject: Re: Projects


I see. But we did agree for articles right? Can't you take those jobs?

Thanks
2010/4/10 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Hello,

I haven't even written any yet. Also, I agreed to write you articles, but this is turning into some sort of gong-show. With you sending me requests for everything under the sun. I guess that may have something to do with it.


Regards,


From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 4:15:35 PM
Subject: Re: Projects


How are you going with those articles?

Thanks
2010/4/9 Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
Yep thanks. The articles and rewrites was a new project. How are you coming along with the articles?

Can I also use those articles for ebooks? I'll send you an email with details.

Thanks
2010/4/9 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Hello,

So it worked for you? IM not sure what the message below means talking about rewrites and articles ?

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 3:12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Projects


Great i used it thanks.

How about the other articles? Are you working on those? Thanks

8.

Articles 1 & 2
Niche Market: Free Make Money Ebooks
Keywords: Free Make Money Ebooks, Make Money Ebooks, Money Ebooks, Free Ebooks.
Number of Articles: 2

Number of re-writes: 2 for each
Total Number of Articles: 6

Number of Words: 500

Articles 3 & 4

Niche Market: Earn Extra Cash
Keywords: Earn Extra Cash, Earning Extra Cash, Extra Income, Ways to Make Money.
Number of Articles: 2

Number of re-writes: 2 for each
Total Number of Articles: 6
Number of Words: 500



Thanks

2010/4/8 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Hello,

I have no idea where you went....but I have attached what I did. Hopefully that is enough for you, although I don't think you should be getting a random stranger to be doing your homework in the future, especially in something university or college related... I am just saying that it's your
education....and I doubt that someone who is not taking your classes would be able to do it as well as you.

I originally wrote 13 pages of notes, but tried to trim that down, since you said it needs to be 20 minutes. Also, for the conclusion...it's likely not specific enough, but then again, this is your class, and you know what class it's for and for what major/minor....so hopefully you can draw that together as well.


Regards,

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 7:14:30 AM
Subject: Re: Projects


yes dclient1
2010/4/8 Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
Forget it i'll just do it myself

2010/4/8 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Is what what you want me to say?

Oh Chapter 5: Here's some author (LOL), here's his theory....and most of it is unverifiable and is constantly argued and proven wrong. But heck, ...

From: Daniel Client <cantshowtheemailbecauseyouwillspamit@gmail.com>
To: HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>

Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 7:08:38 AM
Subject: Re: Projects


Sure? You just need to resume it. Read it and put it into bullet points.
2010/4/8 HHighness .. <HHighness@ymail.com>
Hello,

I am not sure if I can do this. This is quite advanced, and likely would take a lot of literary and historical knowledge to be able to convey effectively.
 
AND, that's only the LAST HALF I was talking about. Not the first half. But I'm not kidding.


You are calling it stupid....but the guy was polite, and nice. At least he was that much. So like I said, I didn't want to leave on a bad note....and offered a lot. But it just got blown way out of proportion. So anyways, this is what I wanted to discuss....this whole concept of taking advantage of people.
 
I think you need to quit wasting time writing forum posts and finish my articles, ebooks and dissertations. With all the wordage you are putting out in these posts, you could have been done by now.