Recording and mixing music?

sasquatch

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I know some of you mentioned you record and/or mix music. I was wondering if any of you can answer some questions.

All my kids play instruments and they wanted to try recording together. I have no software or mics for this. (yet)

How do I record them so the don't sound like they are in a tin can?
I know I need a decent mic but what kind?
Do I need a better sound card in the recording laptop or PC?
They want to record instrument music and do some singing too.
What software should I get and is there any good free software for this?

Thanks for your help.
 


Want you actually want to go for is an external soundcard. The price then depends on how many inputs you want, obviously you will want a few mics and maybe some guitar and lead inputs.

I have never had a problem with Line6:

USB Audio Interface for Computer Recording | POD Studio | Line 6
Line 6 - TonePort UX8 - 24-bit/96kHz 8-Channel Digital Recording Interface

Although I believe quite a few people get M-Audio interfaces:

M-AUDIO - Audio | MIDI Interfaces

Decide whether you want to go with Firewire or USB, how many and what type of inputs you want, and then also look at software bundled. Some companies include Protools or Ableton. I personally love Ableton Live, look into it!
 
There's TONS of factors to take into account. If you want the cheapass route, I've heard of people wrapping an iPhone in a bunch of clothes/pillow bags and getting decent sound quality (after a bit of mixing, of course), but if you want good quality, you'll need a sound isolated room. Depending on what instruments your kids play, you'll need an assortment of mics (vocal mics and percussion mics aren't the same). As for software I've never really looked into it, but Pro Tools and Adobe Audition come to mind.
 
Do you have PC or Mac? How many instruments/mics will be playing at the same time? What's the budget? All that will determine the software and soundcard. And PandaJam is right, you want an external card. Make sure you're machine is recent and has a fast processor, otherwise you'll kill yourself trying to eliminate clicks and pops.

Good solid drum and guitar amp mics are Shure SM-57's (about $100/ea., cheaper off Craigslist). Also you'll need at least 1 drum overhead mic. Oktava MK-012 off Ebay is a good one. Vocal mic Shure SM-58 and up to infinity as far as cost goes. If they're beginners 57's/58's are a good route.

Check some of the forums like Tweak's Guide to the Home and Project Studio for more info.
 
It's not so much about the equipment but about how you use it.

Don't expect it to "sound like a record" or even decent. Engineering takes years of dedication to master. So yeah, it WILL sound like they are in a tin can, at least at first.

Not trying to troll. I've seen too many people spend loads of money on gear (including myself) only to get third-rate results. Only spend the money if you are willing to put in a lot of time and effort into the art and science of recording.

If you want it to sound great without dedication on your part, book some studio time after they have practiced their asses off.
 
It's not so much about the equipment but about how you use it.

Don't expect it to "sound like a record" or even decent. Engineering takes years of dedication to master. So yeah, it WILL sound like they are in a tin can, at least at first.

Not trying to troll. I've seen too many people spend loads of money on gear (including myself) only to get third-rate results. Only spend the money if you are willing to put in a lot of time and effort into the art and science of recording.

If you want it to sound great without dedication on your part, book some studio time after they have practiced their asses off.

That kind of bursts the bubble. I've seen some really good cover song videos on youtube and the sound great.
 
1 cheap condenser mic + cheap USB audio interface + any recording software (plenty for free) should get them started. Stick the mic in the middle of them and let them move forward or back to get the right mix, old school style.
 
That kind of bursts the bubble. I've seen some really good cover song videos on youtube and the sound great.

It's because they were done with professional-grade equipment, or with pro-sumer-grade gear done by someone who has some serious skill.

If you're not in college, get with someone who goes to a school near where you live. The library at my school has a media center- basically 1/2 a floor is a sound stage where students/faculty can use on site, plus some other gear that can be used in the field, though I'm sure it has to be for a legitimate academic purpose or school business.

Most schools have something like this, many have a whole lot more.
 


LOL - thanks for the plug dude ^ that's my product :) But OP don't grab it just yet we haven't integrated the mic module.

This is what you should take a look at, and there's a few good threads here as well with very detailed info on what to get:

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EDIT: Here's the thread - http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/73602-what-kind-software-do-you-use-make-beats.html

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Ditto what the others said - if you record a live band at home without spending quite a few thousand of dollars on equipment and the room, the best you'll get is a third rate sound that may be only just be sometimes listenable (depending on the kind of music).

The cost versus 'improvement in recordings' is exponential: it costs more and more to improve the sound by less and less.

Even if you manage to get some happy sounds onto disk, the biggest problem with home recording remains the mixing and mastering stage. Not only do you need high quality expensive monitors, the room you mix in needs to be acoustically neutral. Without that, whilst you can achieve a great sound in your own mixing room when you play it anywhere else it will likely sound absolutely crap - good translation to a variety of other listening environments and equipment is extremely difficult.

In addition, mixing/mastering takes at least a couple of years of constant practise in a perfect listening environment; you can't improve your skills if you're making audio decisions by simply guessing all the time.

Note that the people who build full recording studios in their garages or garden sheds are not fanatics who are going to extremes with their hobby. They are the people who are doing the minimum toward getting a listenable, translatable sound whenever they record. And if you ask them, they'll still say that they're not 100% happy with the outcome.

Having said all that, if you don't expect many of these recordings to be serious viable listening material or to generate any ROI from them, but instead see it as a way of just having fun and being creative, then I think it is a fantastic idea to buy your kids a thousand dollars worth of equipment and see what they can do with it (bearing in mind that this will get you a third rate sound as opposed to a fourth rate sound, which would basically a stereo digital recorder like a Yamaha Pocketrak in the middle of the room).

If I was in your situation myself, I'd probably buy them a Zoom R16 (400$) and five mics (mixture of sm57s and sm58s) with stands, and let them get on with it the best they can.

Once they've got their happy sounds down onto an SD card, they can:

· mix and mix-down their tracks in the Zoom R16

· Load it into Sonar (my favourite) or Cubase. Abelton is primarily for looping dance music, but they could use that too. Macs have Garage Band, which is also good and very simple.

· Get the tracks professionally mixed and mastered for 50-100$ per song, if they needed it to sound and translate slightly better than the results they achieved by themselves.

Good luck.
 
It also depends on the type of instruments they're playing.. I recorded this myself but everything is direct in (no mics):
http://www.garysimon.net/other/mymusic/xspore.mp3 - I used a line6 toneport ux2 for the electric guitar / bass ($199 at the time I bought it like 5 years ago), then a electronic drumkit.

If they're going to be recording with instruments that require mics, just find a small room, set up a mattress for soundproofing, setup a mic / mic stand (a mic in the $300-$500'ish range should be decent enough) and it won't sound all that bad if you mix/master right.. It's just your kids you're recording, not a major band as some seem under the impression ;)
 
I have done EXACTlY the same as dreamache, old Toneport UX2, electric guitar, bass and electric drums. If you want perfect drum sounds then just get some triggers on the kit and buy an Alesis IO. Sorted, professional realistic sounds (I prefer to use Toontrack when sampling the drum sounds).
 
I have done EXACTlY the same as dreamache, old Toneport UX2, electric guitar, bass and electric drums. If you want perfect drum sounds then just get some triggers on the kit and buy an Alesis IO. Sorted, professional realistic sounds (I prefer to use Toontrack when sampling the drum sounds).

Nice man :P
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For the drum samples (at least on the track above), I used addictive drums. You have any stuff you've recorded online??
 
M-audio makes some good mics. A friends uses one as backup to his $3k neumann and says its impressive for around 100 bucks.

Line6 and m-audio have some good/affordable gear to look into. Zoom too.

Anything you can plug in direct is probably going to mix better than when using mics, for someone without a lot of engineering experience.

If you use mics, consider making a sound room. From a 6x6x6 box inside the room lined with blankets to a modded closet. Hanging carpets or blankets deadens the sound reflection and will give you a better recording.

If you record in a deadened environment as described above and put the tracks together, its going to sound better than a jam with everyone at the same time.

but this might take all the fun out of it for the kids. experiment.
you might create some distance between them (to avoid sound from one instrument leaking into another mic) and let them go at it.

good luck with happy sounds.
 
Nice man :P
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For the drum samples (at least on the track above), I used addictive drums. You have any stuff you've recorded online??

Nice rig you got there!

Unfortunately I haven't. I don't play regularly enough to be honest, I used to take lessons in electric guitar and drums. I've got an Ibanez guitar and bass, and an Alesis kit that I run through my MacBook Pro using Toontrack Solo and Superior Drummer 2.0.

I'll get back into it when I can get some nice money on autopilot and time away from study!!
 
studios are cheap to rent out these days. well, cheaper... call around and get some rates.

if they are tracking then you should be in the control room watching the engineer. ask some questions and write things down.

read up on message boards before you go in to get an idea about what different things do. lookup what a mic pre is, different types of microphone patterns and how its polar response pattern affects the sound pickup. what is a compressor, blah blah blah. hit up some message boards like gearslutz.com and just soak it in.

after you do a few sessions with someone and pick up a couple things..(make sure to note and take pictures of things like how the instruments are mic'ed.) then grab some intro equipment like the above posted.

the reason I say spend some time watching someone in a studio is because while many like to say figure it out on your own in recording, one little trick from someone who half way knows what they are doing can save a newbie days, if not weeks, of time.

collecting gear becomes a money and time consuming hobby once you get into it...and space consuming...bought an ssl and moved a year later and now it's being stored because I can't fit it in my new place.

you can feel free to pm me if you have any gear questions. depending on what you are recording and how many mic's you need at the same time then there are tons of different options. some cheaper pieces have companies that mod the crap out of them for a decent price and turn them into killer pieces.
 
i used to run a recording studio

Go to guitarcenter and get a protools setup like the digi 001 or 002 and a mixer and you should be good to get started