Reversing Type 2 Diabetes

[MentalyDisturbd]

It's should be obvious that when you reintroduce the diet that caused type 2 diabetes, you'll get diabetes again. Take away the cause and it goes away, reintroduce the cause and it comes back.

I don't know what diet you are referring to. The present diabetic diet guidelines is to include carbs. That will keep type 2 diabetics diabetic. The same diet mainstream doctors refer a diabetic to.

However decades ago the diabetic diet is to eliminate carbs. I remember reading a diabetic cook book from the 1920's which had recipes eliminating all sources of starch, carbs, grains and sugar. It's no medical breakthrough, just forgotten knowledge due to bogus science and conflict of interests

Start your research here, doctor....
Pancreatitis Causes, Symptoms, Treatments, Tests

Correct me if I'm wrong. If you see what the job of the pancreas is and how it regulates blood sugar and how it's the organ itself that is responsible for regulating your blood sugar you should be able to see it does not all come down to diet but at the end of the day it's how well your pancreas/organ works.

And I'm done with this thread. Go eat a Twinkie or don't. I don't give a shit.

 

[SeoReborn]

Start your research here, doctor....
Pancreatitis Causes, Symptoms, Treatments, Tests

Correct me if I'm wrong. If you see what the job of the pancreas is and how it regulates blood sugar and how it's the organ itself that is responsible for regulating your blood sugar you should be able to see it does not all come down to diet but at the end of the day it's how well your pancreas/organ works.

I'm no doctor, I leave that grandeur to yourself.

So how does the function of the pancreas prevent a type 2 diabetic from reducing to stopping drugs and insulin injections on a ultra low carb diet?

Are you confusing type 2 with type 1 diabetes?

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

I'm no doctor,
Are you confusing type 2 with type 1 diabetes?

I will tell you this. You go to any doctor with even a suspicion of diabetes. They don't treat you any different or go any "easier" on you rather you are pre, type 1, or type 2. They see you as a "diabetic" and that is all and talk to you the same no matter.

You are making it sound like type 2 and type 1 are completely different. They are not really seen as so different, in most cases type 2 leads to type 1.

Diabetes = you're fucked no matter what, type 1, 2, whatever. I'm sorry I'm a realist and not going to live in denial about my condition.

 

[SeoReborn]

I will tell you this. You go to any doctor with even a suspicion of diabetes. They don't treat you any different or go any "easier" on you rather you are pre, type 1, or type 2. They see you as a "diabetic" and that is all and talk to you the same no matter.

You are making it sound like type 2 and type 1 are completely different. They are not really seen as so different, in most cases type 2 leads to type 1. Diabetes = you're fucked no matter what.

Of course type 1 and type 2 are different.


Type 1 your pancreas is not functioning properly to produce insulin. Type 2 is where the pancreas is producing too much insulin in response to blood sugar due to insulin resistance.


So the doctor treating both types as the same is the reason why a diabetic stays a diabetic. Type 2 diabetics are producing too much insulin and yet they give them more insulin injections. Without dealing with the cause I.e what raises the serum blood sugar, they call it a progressive disease due to their own treatments resulting in more insulin resistance.


People do not become type 2 diabetic overnight. They go through years of eating a high carb diet raising blood serum glucose levels requiring a insulin response. As this continues, the will require more insulin to reduce the same amount of serum glucose, and this is how insulin resistance worsens. And the the doctor comes in to inject even more insulin. This is the vicious cycle of diet and treatment caused progressive disease.


By overworking the pancreas in type 2 diabetes, it can lead to type 1 due to impairing the pancreatic beta cells. It's fallacious however to believe they are the same because one may cause the other. Their differences are distinct.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

Of course type 1 and type 2 are different.


Type 1 your pancreas is not functioning properly to produce insulin. Type 2 is where the pancreas is producing too much insulin in response to blood sugar due to insulin resistance.

I STOPPED READING RIGHT THERE.

YOU ARE THE ONE THATS CONFUSED.

YOU ARE CONFUSING HYPOGLYCEMIA AND HYPERGLYCEMIA.

GET OFF YOUTUBE AND DO SOME REAL RESEARCH BRO.

IM OUT.

 

[SeoReborn]

Mentallydisturbed still have not been able define to what type 1 and type 2 diabetes is. He thinks they are the same, should be treated the same and that anyone else that thinks differently due to doing their research should do some more research.

He also thinks stating medical terms for diminished and high blood glucose levels will strengthen his unscientific nescient standing.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

Mentallydisturbed still have not been able define to what type 1 and type 2 diabetes is. He thinks they are the same, should be treated the same and that anyone else that thinks differently due to doing their research should do some more research.

He also thinks stating medical terms for diminished and high blood glucose levels will strengthen his unscientific nescient standing.

You're just embarrassing yourself now, man. Stop while you can.

NOTE: IT IS STATING THAT TYPE 2 AND TYPE 1 ARE SAME (BODY LACKING INSULIN PRODUCTION)

BASIC SHIT MAN.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM.

I HOPE YOU DONT RUN YOUR BUSINESS WITH THAT WEAK GAME MAN.

 

[SeoReborn]

Mentallydisturbed said he is out but he just comes right back.

His comeback just shows how confused and duped he is. Hook line and sinker.

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

Mentallydisturbed said he is out but he just comes right back.

His comeback just shows how confused and duped he is. Hook line and sinker.

YEAH BRO.

YOU TOTALLY GOT ME.

HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

Btw how does it feel to be fucking stupid?

Do you need me to highlight the important parts in the screenshots? It's better you learn now than never.

 

[SeoReborn]

YEAH BRO.

YOU TOTALLY GOT ME.

HOOK LINE AND SINKER.

Btw how does it feel to be fucking stupid?

Do you need me to highlight the important parts in the screenshots? It's better you learn now than never.

So is that screenshot the extent of your research, bring some more and I'll clear your confusion in one reply. Do you go further than looking at one sentence and drawing a conclusion in your research.

You're also very angry and frustrated aren't you. Calm down

 

[MentalyDisturbd]

So is that screenshot the extent of your research, bring some more and I'll clear your confusion in one reply. You go further than looking at one sentence in yo

You want me to bring "more" to clear "my" confusion? Ok whatever you say bro, I'll get right on that.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

It's should be obvious that when you reintroduce the diet that caused type 2 diabetes, you'll get diabetes again. Take away the cause and it goes away, reintroduce the cause and it comes back.

You're sitting here bitching at MentallyDistubed saying he doesn't know what type 2 diabetes is, but you quite obviously don't either. Are you seriously suggesting my grandpa just needed to eat a bunch of salads, and he could have forgotten about his insulin shots?

I don't think there's a single doctor on this planet that would agree with you. Well, except chickie on TED Talks that you linked to, but if what she said was true, I would imagine it would have made it a little further than TED Talks. Curing type 2 diabetes would be a pretty major development in the medical world. You've obviously never lived with someone with type 2, and watched them almost slip into diabetic shock at various times.

 

[SeoReborn]

You're sitting here bitching at MentallyDistubed saying he doesn't know what type 2 diabetes is, but you quite obviously don't either. Are you seriously suggesting my grandpa just needed to eat a bunch of salads, and he could have forgotten about his insulin shots?

I don't think there's a single doctor on this planet that would agree with you. Well, except chickie on TED Talks that you linked to, but if what she said was true, I would imagine it would have made it a little further than TED Talks. Curing type 2 diabetes would be a pretty major development in the medical world. You've obviously never lived with someone with type 2, and watched them almost slip into diabetic shock at various times.

I'm not suggesting anything to you. You're free to do what you want.

Again, if I am wrong about what diabetes type 2 is, then I would like to know, you can help me too, since its obvious to you.

As to bitching, anyone can see that its mentallydisturbed that started calling me doctor, with his all cap egotistical posts and disliking my posts.

You keep raising 'reverse diabetes' and 'cure' multiple times even after I tried to clear the air as to what cure and reversal means. What is a cure then? Going back to a diet that caused diabetes in the first place and expecting not to get diabetes again? Then no its not a cure. The lady even said so herself in the video.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

If you're pre-diabetic or only have a very minor case of it, then yes, you can generally just handle it via diet.

If your diabetes advances a little further than that, many times nowadays doctors will just prescribe you a daily pill and tell you to watch your diet, which is all that's required to keep your body in check.

If you advance past that though, and end up with a more serious case like my grandpa had, then no, you're not handling that via diet or a pill. You need your insulin shots.

Once you cross the line and become diabetic, then you're diabetic for life. There's no changing that. Sure, you can reduce the symptoms and things with proper diet, but you're still diabetic.

 

[charlesmartel]

From the research I linked to above:

The first hint that type 2 diabetes is a fully reversible syndrome came from bariatric surgery. Almost a quarter century ago, Pories et al. (12) demonstrated that blood glucose levels normalized in obese people with type 2 diabetes undergoing bariatric surgery and that 10 years later, almost 90% remained free of diabetes.

Type 2 Diabetes

 

[SeoReborn]

If you're pre-diabetic or only have a very minor case of it, then yes, you can generally just handle it via diet.

If your diabetes advances a little further than that, many times nowadays doctors will just prescribe you a daily pill and tell you to watch your diet, which is all that's required to keep your body in check.

If you advance past that though, and end up with a more serious case like my grandpa had, then no, you're not handling that via diet or a pill. You need your insulin shots.

Once you cross the line and become diabetic, then you're diabetic for life. There's no changing that. Sure, you can reduce the symptoms and things with proper diet, but you're still diabetic.

What I can see is that your grandpa have not tried ultra low carb, since what the doctors prescribes as a diabetic diet is not low carb . So we don't know whether the diet will work for him in particular or not as its not been tried (Since you did not answer my questions in the previous posts, I'll make this assumption).

I'm sure there may be particular cases where the diet is not enough, and some drugs, insulin injection may still be needed. However, we cannot extrapolate those cases to everyone as the diet has helped plenty of others get off their drugs and injections as pointed out by charlesmartel above.

 

[SeoReborn]

From the research I linked to above:



Type 2 Diabetes

Infact, fasting is the an very effiecient way of reversing diabetes. Those with bariatric surgery just don't want to eat anymore. So they go through low caloric and fasting periods.

 

[SeoReborn]

Research Dr Jason Fungs work. He's been helping plenty of Type 2 diabetics get off their drugs and insulin shots.

He combines Low carb with fasting:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oZ4UqtbB_g[/ame]


@matt, he also describes type 2 in that lecture.

More lectures here:

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/category/lectures/type-2-diabetes-lecture-series/

Deviating slighly, the does a brilliant series on obesity, very well articulated: (calorie is not a calorie, metabolism etc)

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/category/lectures/the-aetiology-of-obesity-lecture-series/

 

[SeoReborn]

You're just embarrassing yourself now, man. Stop while you can.

Well those 2 screenshots doesn't state type 1 and type 2 are the same.

The top one says Type 1 is a chronic condition in which the pancreas produces little or no insulin. This aligns with my definition of Type 1.

The second screenshot states Type 2 is chronic condition that affects the way the body processes blood sugar. Which also aligns with my definition of Type 2, the pancreas needs to produce too much insulin to reduce blood sugar vs a non T2 diabetic.

NOTE: IT IS STATING THAT TYPE 2 AND TYPE 1 ARE SAME (BODY LACKING INSULIN PRODUCTION)

No it does not state Type 1 and Type 2 are the same.

You would think they would just call a diabetic a diabetic if they were the same. Otherwise why distinguish them as type 1 or type 2.

Look back at your own screenshot definition of type 1 again.

a chronic condition in which the pancreas produces little or no insulin

Lack of insulin != little or no insulin.

Lack of insulin means there is not enough insulin to lower the serum glucose level to the normal range. A type 2 diabetic needs more insulin vs a non diabetic to reduce the blood glucuse level by X amount.

Clearly you are confused.

BASIC SHIT MAN.

GET WITH THE PROGRAM.

I HOPE YOU DONT RUN YOUR BUSINESS WITH THAT WEAK GAME MAN.

How does your last 2 screenshot contradict what I said earlier about low and high blood glucose.

Any more screenshots? Any more research, mentallydisturbed doctor?

 

[SeoReborn]

You're just embarrassing yourself now, man. Stop while you can.

He got something right at least, I am embarassed, I should have followed my own signature advice.