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I've noticed there are a few Ron Paul supporters here. If you would like to publish an article (and a link back) to your site about Ron Paul I'd like to talk to you.

I've been sorta lazy with the site, but it's time to get back on the ball. I picked it up to talk about the political reality show that may be coming next year.... it's ended up getting decent traffic for political topics and I have made a few posts but I'm not a political expert or more than someone who just pays attention.

The site is: independent08.com
 


After seeing Ron Paul all over these forums, I did a few minutes of research, and the dude kinda seems like a douchebag. Perhaps I'm wrong, could someone please explain what's so great about him?
 
After seeing Ron Paul all over these forums, I did a few minutes of research, and the dude kinda seems like a douchebag. Perhaps I'm wrong, could someone please explain what's so great about him?

He thinks the government should step back from Internet nazi-ing.
 
Is that all? So do other candidates, he's not the only one. A lot of his other stances are retarded, IMO. What's wrong with Obama?

Elect a Muslim as President of the US? How fucking retarded we must look to the rest of the world for even considering the notion. People, wake the fuck up and think first.

I'm willing to bet 80% of people choose candidates for superficial reasons: looks, charisma, gut feelings, etc. (even though they swear up and down that's not true and they support the issues) Keep in mind, Hitler was also charismatic. Don't think for a minute we can't make the same mistake.
 
Elect a Muslim as President of the US? How fucking retarded we must look to the rest of the world for even considering the notion. People, wake the fuck up and think first.

I'm willing to bet 80% of people choose candidates for superficial reasons: looks, charisma, gut feelings, etc. (even though they swear up and down that's not true and they support the issues) Keep in mind, Hitler was also charismatic. Don't think for a minute we can't make the same mistake.
Thats a retarded reason to not vote for Obama. Who gives a fuck what his religious background is. Is it safe to say the other candidates are Christian? MUCH better! </sarcasm>

Plus there are many other reasons not to vote for him.
 
Elect a Muslim as President of the US? How fucking retarded we must look to the rest of the world for even considering the notion. People, wake the fuck up and think first.

I'm willing to bet 80% of people choose candidates for superficial reasons: looks, charisma, gut feelings, etc. (even though they swear up and down that's not true and they support the issues) Keep in mind, Hitler was also charismatic. Don't think for a minute we can't make the same mistake.

Why not? We elected a retard for 2 terms. Whether he was raised as a Muslim for a couple of years or not, he's smart, believes in many of the same issues as I do, speaks English well, etc. Didn't that article say he was raised Muslim for 4 years as a child? Big deal. I was raised as a Christian but I'm not, and it was a lot longer than 4 years I was exposed to it. People are too willing to find one thing about someone and use it against them like they're the devil, this is ridiculous.
 
cool, but may I recommend you just put that in your sig rather than creating a thread about it.

Ahhh - Wasn't trying to be self promotional (notice it's not hyperlinked). Just noticed that a number of you (including you) were Ron Paul fans and was just giving an option of expressing your viewpoints someplace that is getting traffic.

I'm not a Ron Paul fan - this was more of a place holder for a reality tv show that's (maybe) coming. So unless someone who cares writes something about Ron Paul it won't be there :)
 
I think a flying squirrel would make a better president than we have now. A retarded flying squirrel.

Hey don't insult the flying squirrel! They're actually pretty darn smart which is alot more than I can say for our president!

I actually had one for a while until it flew away (well ok it ran, but they're so darn fast it might as well have flown.)
 
to answer the question about why everyone on the internet seems to be so obsessed with ron paul. It's because he's such a stark contrast to what we have now.

Bush is pro CFR agenda (councel of foreign relations, a private group pushing for one world government and the spread of democracy through wars and sanctions started by woodrow wilson).

Where as ron paul is a noninterventionist, meaning he thinks america should only engage in offensive war if it is declared and authorized by congress and there is immediate danger or as an act of retaliation. The benjamin franklin philosophy. Ron paul was also one of only 4 that voted against the war in iraq and the patriot act on the very outset. Like he said, "democracy should be spread through setting a good example, never through the barrell of a gun."

Bush administration says the constituion is nothing more than a piece of paper, and thinks civil liberties obstruct with national security. This is the neoconservative philosophy of, you have to protect life in order to have liberty.

Ron Paul thinks civil liberties and strict adherance to the constituion is of utmost importance, and national security is more effective if americans have the right to bear arms and through the privization sectors being free of regulations (like how banks, armored trucks, and private markets protect themselves as opposed to regulated industries such as airlines). He also believes security should take place at the border rather than on the offensive around the world fighting tactics(terrorism). He follows the thomas jefferson philosophy of, "if you put security over liberty you will have neither."

The biggest reason most people support ron paul is because he wants to get rid of the federal reserve and IRS. This is the thing that gets most people, most don't understand the concepts behind what exactly the federal reserve is, who owns it and why its there. Most also don't understand how the united states funds itself without personal income taxes and the irs (the irs didn't exist before 1913). This is the monetary system and theres loads of info about it, all of which supports abolishing it, i can assure you of that.
Some good videos to watch that talk about it would be (and i'd recommend this order).
Money as debt
and
America: Freedom to Facism

The biggest thing that attracts people to ron paul is because he really does speak the truth. Its weird, because if you hear what he has to say and you haven't done the research it'll all sound kooky because it goes against what you've been taught by the media and in school, but it really is the truth. No one really denies it and its definitely not consperacy theories, all the information is there, its just hard truth and its even harder to educate people on it while trying to sound presidential. If you research him you'll find he has an absolutely perfect voting record, he's beyond the definition of consistant integrity (as jon stewart put it) and is uncorruptable (he's the one office lobbiests never visit in washington). Infact he's the only member of congress to not only opt out of the lucrative congressional incentive plan, but every month his office takes their budget surplus (while others are fighting for a higher budget) and donates it back into the reserves to help pay off the national debt. he is also very strict against taxation and inflation because it hurts the poor and middle class the most. As a hobby the Dr. studies economics.

The two reasons why he intially caught the attention of everyone online was because he was the first presidential candidate that stood up and said the Internet should never be regulated by the government, and with the exception of extreme cases shouldn't have any form of control by the government. He also talked to some blogger kid in his dorm room on a webcam when he first declared his presidency.

The biggest reason why the media and the rest of the government really hates him started because of reagan. He was one of the very very few congressmen to support reagan running for president. When reagan won and people loved him, later he was nominated to recieve the congressional medal of honor. So congress voted for the funding to give him the medal, it passed nearly unanimously and only one person voted against it, that was ron paul. He instead insisted that tax payers money should not go torwards giving medals and awards to politicians. So he publicly begged congress to instead of spending tax payers money on the medal for each of them to pony up a $100 of their own money and buy the medal, he even offered to pay for it himself if they weren't willing to pitch in (he gave the same speech for Rosa Parks a decade later). This was widely unpopular and when reagan got the medal he got his pick of who he wanted to present it to him. Every ass kisser in washington wanted that honor. Guess who reagan picked? Needless to say he wasn't the most popular amongst the capitol hill gang after that. :)

He tends to do shit like that quite a bit. Which is why he's known as Dr. No because he votes against any piece of legislation that isn't authorized directly by the constitution. Which is why he's against the war on drugs, which he says isn't working (obviously) and is a huge waste of money. He believes in personal responsibility. Meaning its your body and your home, as long as you aren't harming your neighbor you should be able to make your own decisions when it comes to your body and your life.

A good ron paul video: Ron Paul Stop Dreaming
 
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Eli (or anyone) Why is he running on the Republican ticket instead of as an Independent?

I find it a bitter pill to swallow to vote for anyone Republican. Not so much because of the individual but more because of the party he/she represents. I know it's all politics and democrats aren't much better but even if you get one great person in office you still got the whole crap Republican base to deal with.
 
he's going for republican because he used to be a libertarian(ran for pres back in 1988). It's a very biased 2 party system and you have to be extremely rich to even get on a ballet if you're not part of either party. He's by all definition a republican and he believes in the old republican conservative values and traditions, but even though they've changed a ton and are basically polar opposite now he's still very republican. He's been a republican congressman for nearly 20 years now. So that is his party.
 
Thanks Eli, I'm going to certainly check more into him. Some of his stances that I've seen still really bother me though. Pro-life, opposes raising minimum wage, low marks from environmental groups, etc.

I think a lot of these issues are going to still really hurt him in the race. And turbolapp is right, any Republican is going to have a hard time winning this round.
 
I definitely agree. He's a long time obstetrician so he's extremely prolife. However he believes the government on a federal level should never have the right or the capacity to make a decision on abortion. He believes it should be left up to the states. Which I'm pro choice myself, but I agree with that. The states can handle it much better than the fed can, and I think the government shouldn't be making moral decisions for the American people. Kinda same thing with gay rights. I personally think gays should be able to get married and my christian moral judgement isn't any more keen than a gay persons to a capacity of having the right to make that decision for them. But I think it should be left up to a local state level because that is where the marraige certificate comes from. Never from a federal level.

I personally am very opposed to raising minimum wage. I think it hurts the poor more than anyone by dropping the value of consumer goods which has the direct and highest effect on the poor and lower class economically, whether they realize it or not. Most just think they're getting a pay raise (YAY!). But i'm sure a lot would agree/disagree with me there.

I'm kind of confused on where ron paul stands on the environment. I'll have to look it up. I think he believes something along the lines of property rights vs regulation. He's talked a lot about it, but since i'm from oregon and don't give two shits about the environment I haven't bothered doing my research to see if what he's saying is a good thing or bad. Eitherway its a question all the other politicians (with the exception of gore of course) is dodging prudently.

Agreed with turbolapp as well. republicans don't stand a f'in chance. But ooh how I hate hillary!
 
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