Don't worry bro, we got it covered.
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Russian Army Invades Ukraine And Seizes Crimea
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Don't worry bro, we got it covered.
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Thanks God this terrible dictator has been overthrown, and the people of the Ukraine can finally have a democracy, with elected leaders.
YAWWWWN.... Meanwhile, my UltraCoin Holdings have gone up 52%
P.S "Ancient History"... You must be one of those "hill folk" who abandon education once they start growing chest hairs... What you call "ancient history" makes up the basis of most of the laws that you are subject to today... most treaties are "ancient" yet are still in force
In isolation it's not going to escalate to a WWIII type scenario. But the possibility of this turning into a major conflict is there.
The US, UK, and Russia agreed to the Budapest Memorandum in 1994. Basically this says that all agree to the sovereignty of the Ukraine. Since Russia appears ready to put boots on the ground, they will be in violation of said treaty shortly if they aren't already. In theory, this not only gives the US and the UK the ability to intervene, but may ultimately compel them to do so. In fact, I just saw that the current Ukrainian President has already called for the terms of the treaty to be invoked.
Since we're talking about nuclear capable nations, that is always a big deal, but it's not going to start a world war.
The real issue is what happens if this does turn into a large scale offensive. The US also has a protection treaty with the Philippines should China attempt to invade. Over the last 18 months China has had a nasty habit of of laying claim to disputed land and posturing through military maneuvers.
If the US is engaged in a conflict in the Ukraine, the fear is that China may see that as their opening to initiate an offensive in the Philippines. Since Russia and China have traditionally been on the same side of these things, there is a fear that two regional conflicts involving major world players could escalate to an all out multi-national conflict across multiple fronts.
Do I think any of that is going to happen? No. If it continues along the path it is currently taking, the EU and the US will hit Russia with economic sanctions and a major conflict will likely be avoided.
But anything is possible and what's above is the reason that some people are making such a big deal out of it. Hopefully, it gets nowhere close to that point.
Are you an imbecile?... so the US getting involved in a conflict between two sovereign states doesn't have anything to do with international laws and treaties?
How have you managed to keep your shitty little graphics firm afloat with such intelligence?
You said "the laws that I am subject to" as if jaywalking were an issue here. Or perhaps I am going to invade a sovereign nation? To be honest you're talking absolute rubbish.
Once again, little man, get over yourself.
Ahhh, ok. So Russia hasn't done anything major yet, but everyone is just scared about the possible future outcomes, correct? In that case, the Western media should shut the hell up, and quit scaring everyone, and needlessly getting the general public riled up.
I know Russia's track record over the past say five decades isn't exactly stellar, but in all honesty, it's quite a bit better than the US' track record. Russia has proven itself to show restraint and intelligence when making moves on the world stage, so let's wait to see what happens.
I'm going to assume there's nothing to worry about though. Russia isn't going to start rolling into Kiev, and plant the Russian flag anytime soon. They're not stupid enough to try and pull something like that. Besides, if Ukraine was able to handle its own problems at home, none of this would have happened. I mean, what do you expect Russia to do? They have no choice but to protect their own people and interests.
Yeah pretty much.
But whether Russia has done anything major yet is open to interpretation. Parts of the Ukrainian government apparently feel that Russia already has done something major or is on the verge of doing so. Ukrainian soldiers have been ordered to full readiness because of the Russian Federation's giving Putin the okay to deploy troops within mainland Ukraine. And it could be argued that decision already violates the Budapest Memorandum, since it could be construed as a threat to sovereignty.
That said, right now there is just a lot of saber rattling going on, and yes the Western media (and media as a whole) should tone it the fuck down, because right now it's largely a dick measuring contest.
I understand the reasons Russia would go into Crimea. They have their warm water naval port and other interests there that must be protected during civil unrest. If they move into the mainland though, they are moving beyond simply protecting interests and closer to an occupation. That would likely escalate things significantly.
I respectfully disagree on that one. Sure, media blows things out of proportion, but this isn't some western media tactic. This is being talked about all over the world right now.
Of course we're all hoping that this is just Russia showing their guns and pushing the limits a bit, but burying our heads in the sand isn't a particularly great solution.
Should we really just change the channel to the Oscars and see if Leo finally wins?
The fact is that Russia did do something major, they invaded a country breaking international law, the same types of laws that attempt to prevent us from going ape shit and demolishing Earth. World wars have been started from familiar circumstances and who knows, Putin might just be trying to go down in the history books for something major. It wouldn't be the first time a powerful leader lost their mind.
But, yeah, it's probably hype.
Come on. We don't get told a single thing by the media without a reasoning behind it. You go to cnn.com right now, and it's "BRINK OF DISASTER" on the home page in huge font. They could probably tone that down a bit.
And getting everyone scared to the point they begin contacting their locally elected government officials, who then takes those concerns to federal parliament isn't a very good idea either. Especially considering Russia has yet to fire a single bullet.
As statelizard allured to, that's debatable. So far, Russia has done absolutely nothing that warrants starting a global war. There's a good chance the troops are just going to hang out there for the next 12 months, then head back home to Russia, once the situation in Ukraine cools down.
In case you didn't know, Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory. Every single act in the past couple of days has been a violation of the terms of the agreement between the Ukrainian government and the Russian military.
Even if 58% of Crimean residents are ethnic Russians, they're still Ukrainian citizens. There is no imminent danger to any of them, as much as Putin's propaganda machine would like you to believe otherwise. Any of these "demonstrations" that supposedly put the "ethnic Russians" in danger are orchestrated from the Kremlin, much the same way Russia claims their facility was attacked by "nationalists".
This is all in the same vein of the FSB bombing their own citizens as a pretext for war in Chechnya, as was documented by Litvinenko before they murdered him. I expect many more false flags in the coming days and many more claims by Russia about how they're merely "responding" to attacks.
The seizure of the Crimean parliament was a crime. As was the seizure of the airports and the communications buildings. As was the threats to the small Ukrainian military bases there. There is a foreign occupation currently occurring there.
Russia is very good at choreographing these types of events to appear "grass-roots". Their soldiers wear unmarked uniforms and masquerade as protesters, "pro-Russian demonstrators", etc.. and the idiotic media repeats it verbatim. Everything we have witnessed and will witness in the coming weeks is choreographed from the Kremlin to appear organic and natural, when in reality it is the most staged, fake, monolithic, centralized absurdity to be performed in recent years.
They create the image of the illusion, the media gives life to that illusion, and people like you eat it up. Bravo, my good man, bravo.
