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I suppose nailing people to crosses and collectively burning women in bondfires doesn't count? Oh wait, that was in the past. Out of sight, out of mind.
I watch a couple of atheist users on YouTube and when they make videos about Christianity they usually get calm responses from Christians *trying* to make constructive, valid arguments. However, when they make a video about Islam they ALWAYS get thousands of abusive and violent comments with about half of them including death threats, it's hilarious.
Everyone in the middle ages were barbaric, not just Christians.
It's like comparing apples and makemoniesonline ... try again.
I'm saying everyone being barbaric IS the point. All religions are barbaric when they can get away with it.
No one religion is above the tactics of the others.
No, you said that religious nuts were the problem (which I don't disagree with). But the issue I have is when you bring in the medieval shit that was done back in the day and associate that with religious nuts. When in fact, everyone was a bit bloodthirsty back then.
Try getting Jimmy Swaggart to launch the crusades or burn a witch now and watch the normal people rise as one and slay him.
Hell, we get up in arms these days over cats being beaten on the internet and waterboarding our enemies who are withholding information ... tell me shit hasn't changed. Most religions nuts have changed with the times.
Everyone seems a bit bloodthirsty now actually.
I'm not going to say that our current set of wars are motivated entirely by religion.. But partially? Hell yes it is.
Have you ever realized how odd it is that it's quite difficult for a jewish politician to get elected in many areas, but in those same areas it's simultaneously political suicide to not support Israel?
This mindset (in my opinion) is religiously based, and has dictated an assload of the US foreign policy. (Not taking a stance on this, just pointing it out)
The religious nutters tactics may be different from how they were back in the day, but it's still the most they can get away with at the time.
And I don't consider them 'better people' because they don't use more extreme tactics: I have no doubt that if they could get away with them(from a social/political/legal perspective), they'd use them.
Fine. Then let's try to theorize for a minute.
We have two opposing forces, one being a group of islamic fanatics, the other being a group of economically oriented suits. Both groups have a perceived motivation as well as a hidden one.
Perceived objective: The islamic fanatics do what they do in the name of allah, the western suits do what they do in the name of democracy. Which, of course, is supported by god.
Putting the general motive of both sides aside for a moment (which is exactly the same as it was in the middle ages - expansion and growth of wealth) - we're talking about two things: the methods each side uses, and the way they legitimize their actions.
Both sides legitimize their actions in a manner suiting their particular society. One side goes to war in the name of democracy. The other side goes to war in the name of allah. Whatever can be passed by the public to make it legitimate.
Both sides send soldiers. Those from the one side have machine guns and bazookas and remote bombs. Those from the other have machine guns and TNT and vests with pockets. Whatever can be used to fight a war.
Both sides legitimize their actions by the tools available to them. Both sides execute their beliefs utilizing the tools available to them. The methods of legitimization and execution vary, based on the given options.
What I'm saying is that I never got a remote bomb dropped on my head because I'm sitting in a pool of oil. But if I did, I may believe that to be barbaric.
I'm not disagreeing but that's not the topic of conversation today
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It doesn't seem that hard and that list is full of some pretty major offices, when you get down to the local level you are talking thousands of people. Probably a higher % than the American Jewish population
100% disagreed. You are not even seeing legal protests or boycotts on Islamic products ... much less Christian nut jobs traveling to "hostile" countries and planting random bombs or blowing themselves up in the name of JC.
The envelope can be pushed much further. It's not happening because Christianity is no longer a 3rd world, or medieval, religion. It has evolved. We can play games by switching America to Islam and Christianity elsewhere but you're just wasting time doing so. It's doubtful because of the whole golden rule thing, but possible I guess ... if you enjoy daydreaming.
These are the motives for war, not the tactics that are used.
You are correct, war is not fought for a singular cause ... rather a bunch of selfish reasons. None of that has to do with what we're talking about.
Edit: missed this part
I see what you are getting at, but I don't see the military wearing a bible on their sleeves while I do see sucide bombing being carried out in the name of Allah. It's a stretch at best to associate the current military fuckups with a holy war
"All religions are barbaric when they can get away with it." Sig worthy, especially on a (Insert Christian | Islamic | Buddist | Whatever) forum.
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True, and this is what I meant with what I said above - the methods (i.e. tactics) each side uses, and how they legitimize it (i.e. justify). This is exactly the point of this threadjack, lol.
Oh and saying "may God bless us all" after every speech (you know who I mean) is wearing a bible up your sleeve. It's like wearing the bible as a bling bling around your neck on a golden chain.
And because he showed his white face on screen, it's just another cracker keeping a brother down ... keep trying, this isn't a holy war.
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My point - "holy war" is just the packaging, like "war for democracy and civilization". Let me use an analogy: The same berriez are sold on two different landing pages. They are presented differently to two different demographics.
But berriez will always be berriez, no matter how you wrap em.
My point - "holy war" is just the packaging, like "war for democracy and civilization". Let me use an analogy: The same berriez are sold on two different landing pages. They are presented differently to two different demographics.
But berriez will always be berriez, no matter how you wrap em.
If it's that easy to compare our culture/nation to acai, we're even more fucked than I thought (or at least we will be in 2 weeks).
You've been conditioned over the years to hate the Islamic religion, this isn't surprising. It's like letting a few bad apples ruin the party.
It's like not being able to play dodge ball on the playground because a couple assholes ruined it for everyone by gang raping some little shit. (Lame example but you get the point) Now you are constantly told that dodge-ball is very very bad, and you can never play it again because little Timmy got tag teamed. Eventually you'd start believing that dodge ball is a terribly barbaric game, and that people who play it might tag team you.
Ah psych warfare is a bitch.
It's like not being able to play dodge ball on the playground because a couple assholes ruined it for everyone by gang raping some little shit. (Lame example but you get the point) Now you are constantly told that dodge-ball is very very bad, and you can never play it again because little Timmy got tag teamed. Eventually you'd start believing that dodge ball is a terribly barbaric game, and that people who play it might tag team you.
Ah psych warfare is a bitch.
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