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Andrew Scherer said:
Judging from this thread the UK has brainwashing down pat.
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Damn right. It sickens me how many people swallow all the propaganda fed to them in their retard papers.

"Oh, the Sun says it's good for me, it must be. Where's my fucking benefit cheque, I need to buy 12 cans of super T, 30 microwave meals and Heat magazine?"

Once you surrender some of your liberties, however small, you don't get them back. Democracy is a thing of the past. Our government are riding roughshod over our privacy, liberties and lives.

I forget where I read it, and I can't find it now, but I remember reading about how the UK government holds more information on it's citizens, and what they're doing, than China does on its populace.

It also said that our government is the third worst in the world, for storing and hoarding information on it's citizens, behind only Russia and South Korea... Sorry what?! That's the price of protection you fucking soft, easily placated, thick twats. The rulers of China know less about the population than ours... Scary.

In the interests of fairness though, if the figures were taken on a per head basis, then with much of China being rural and populous, it's fairly likely somewhere developed would have more info on it's citizens.
 
TigerUK said:
whether you like it or not if you live in a densely populated city like London, you NEED surveillance, it's a city of 7.8 million people, it's so populated that chances are someone you see today, you will never see again in your life. At least you won't remember them.

During caveman times, everyone had a tribe, if someone from a different tribe or village ventured into yours, you remembered him and roughly knew where he came from. You had an idea of who his father is and knew that he the kid steeped out of line and raped one of your daughters you knew exactly who to go to, to seek justice/revenge.

In modern built up cities, you just don't have that any more. If there were no CCTVs it would be so easy to commit crimes as a hobby, just beat people up and gtfo, nobody would give a shit.. incidentally that's exactly what happens in council estates because there are no cameras to record stuff/indetify people/keep a vigilante eye/gather evidence to prosecute.

Ever seen a mugging or a fight in oxford street? never becaue you won't be able to last 1 minute before undercover police pick you up on the streets and throw you into a van.

If there were no CCTVs London would easily turn into the slums of rio de Janeiro.

And that's exactly what happened during the London riots, but unlike rio de janerio, the police used CCTV footage to analyse exactly what was going on, how they were behaving, came up with a plan to curb the riots and then track down 3000 of the rioters.

CCTV stops sane people from being criminals, sure there are insane people that dont give a fuck and will stab you even if there are a 100 cameras around. But that was never the goal of CCTV, and CCTV should not be seen as a substitute forbeign vigilant and being able to handle yourself on the street.

You don't see the advantages of CCTV becasue you've never been behind the scenes doing policework. If you had you would realise that without CCTV all these major cities would be infested with criminals in every corner.
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wtf?

Dude. You, really need to stop reading the Daily Mail, and get out and visit some other countries.

Most foreign conurbations don't have anywhere near as much CCTV as we do, and many of them have lower crimes rates. New York, for example.

CCTV did nothing to prevent the riots. They still happened.

CCTV didn't stand in the way of the rioters whilst they were setting fire to people's homes. That's the job of the police. And there are less police on the ground because of all the investment in surveillance, which is normally manned by security guards on £6 an hour.

Sure - some kids who were stupid enough to loot without disguising themselves will get picked up because of it, but most of the hardcore criminals won't.

It's like the argument for speed cameras. Do they stop you speeding? No.

I'm a case in point. I drive like a fucking lunatic.

Before the advent of speed cameras, I nearly lost my license several times because of all the points I picked up. I used to get stopped by traffic police, bollocked and given a well-deserved ticket. There were loads of them and you couldn't predict where they were hiding.

Now? Since speed cameras were rolled out, I have a clean license. I learn where the cameras are, and only speed between them. I've gone 15 years without a ticket, and it's not because I've slowed down.

Do you know how many traffic police there are driving fast pursuit cars in London now? Less than 20. For nearly 8 million people, less than 20 fast pursuit cars.

Why? Because they've been replaced by cameras.
 
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