Telling people you do online marketing...

kumansk said:
don't you think the little start up communities in london and berlin are starting to celebrate failure lately as more successful entrepreneurs keep coming out of there, and slowly moving in the direction of silicon valley?

also of course doctors/lawyers are more respected off the bat, those professions have always been symbols of social stability.
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Yeah it's helping, but the media's take on it is also hurting. As is dragon's den, films like The Social Network, etc. They give people this warped vision of what entrepreneurship really is. Around Silicon Roundabout you can feel things are different, but I think it's still a long way to go until it's comparable in any meaningful way to SV.

We still don't have a Facebook, Twitter, Google etc that's come out of London. As a city as a whole it's extremely finance focused. Raising money (as of ~2-3 years ago) is still hard work too for start-ups -- investors are by in large far more revenue focused and valuations are multiple folds lower than in the states.

We take less risks, so don't have the huge successes, and that's reflected throughout our culture as a whole. Check-out how many self-made British people are on this list: Sunday Times Rich List 2012 - UK's Richest People - TheRichest
 


mituozo said:
Yeah it's helping, but the media's take on it is also hurting. As is dragon's den, films like The Social Network, etc. They give people this warped vision of what entrepreneurship really is. Around Silicon Roundabout you can feel things are different, but I think it's still a long way to go until it's comparable in any meaningful way to SV.

We still don't have a Facebook, Twitter, Google etc that's come out of London. As a city as a whole it's extremely finance focused. Raising money (as of ~2-3 years ago) is still hard work too for start-ups -- investors are by in large far more revenue focused and valuations are multiple folds lower than in the states.

We take less risks, so don't have the huge successes, and that's reflected throughout our culture as a whole. Check-out how many self-made British people are on this list: Sunday Times Rich List 2012 - UK's Richest People - TheRichest
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Yeah, I know the majority of wealthy europeans are either putin's oil buddies, real estate or retail moguls (zara, ikea, h&m), but there's still innovative companies that are growing like soundcloud, skype, spotify etc. it's only a matter of time before another facebook comes out of europe, too many mobile developers are putting in work and going against the grain atm.
 
I can't remember the last time someone I know has had a negative reaction towards what I do. I think you just need to spend more time around smart, ambitious, and hard working people.
 
guerilla said:
Why do you care what other people say or think about you?

Worrying about what other people think is beta behavior.
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I could care less about what other people think, BUT was curious as to how shitty some people view SEO's in general.
Like someone mentioned, framing what I do in a different manner seems to be the best course of action.
Bear in mind that I will be around these people for a good amount of time since I just leased my office space there.
 
Worrying about what other people think is beta behavior.
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If people who i love are worried about me because they don't understand what i persue, then i do care to a point, because it is just sad, that they are limited in their understanding. Still, i can't do anything for them but to educate and hope they'll come around someday.

With strangers it's different of course. I don't even understand how someone can honestly believe that what i do is any of their business. Such a question bores me and i trhink it's an overly intrusive thing to ask. If it comes from a woman, it feels manipulative.
 
kryaa said:
If people who i love are worried about me because they don't understand what i persue, then i do care to a point, because it is just sad, that they are limited in their understanding. Still, i can't do anything for them but to educate and hope they'll come around someday.

With strangers it's different of course. I don't even understand how someone can honestly believe that what i do is any of their business. Such a question bores me and i trhink it's an overly intrusive thing to ask. If it comes from a woman, it feels manipulative.
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What you do is a common question when first meeting someone. Just social courtesy. No need to feel manipulated.
 
What you do is a common question when first meeting someone. Just social courtesy. No need to feel manipulated.
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I know that it is a common question, but that doesn't make it any better for me. At least you can answer with "fine, fine" if someone asks "How are you?" - but "What do you do?". If they want a real answer, they demand that i offer them a big key to my identity right from the start, and even worse, they use my answer as a tool to asess my personality, to decide if i'm "worth talking to" even though the answer to this question can only be fully understood in the context of my personality.

I'm open to telling people what i do, but it feels like a weird social opener to me. You may just ask "So what are you all about?"...It's just lazy and not how good conversations work.
 
taktikz said:
I could care less about what other people think, BUT was curious as to how shitty some people view SEO's in general.
Like someone mentioned, framing what I do in a different manner seems to be the best course of action.
Bear in mind that I will be around these people for a good amount of time since I just leased my office space there.
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It really boils down to this for me: "Do you want more business? What if I told you I could help you make more money? If you want to talk more about that, I'm interested. I have a lot of ideas and tips I could share with you."

I share those ideas and tips on the spot, usually. Don't worry much about what people think of you or your professions. You can't spend your valuable time defending such.

I personally do not chase business like that, but I will say things like that to friends of friends, and sometimes we develop profitable business relationships.

After I re-read this thread, that's probably not a good client for you. (Yeah, I know I'm stating the obvious.) But when I meet someone who has an entrepreneurial spirit and they're not a complete dumbass, I like to leave options open.

I personally like being able to deal with difficult people who have had too many yes-men licking them for years. They need people to say "shut up and listen" sometimes. Not only do they need it, but often respect it.
 
In my country not every one know what is online marketing and the few of them who know it , they just know about ppc of the few cents you can make by clicking on adsenses.
some time i told one friend and he say they will cheat you and then i stop telling peoples about it
 
just bought my parents a new car and paid the remainder of their mortgage and they still ask me when im going to get a real job
 
I just say "I do computers"

Then the other person goes "Ohhh, okay..." and they totally understand
 
Asking someone what they do is a way for most people to figure out if they're higher or lower on the totempole than you. Despite the talk of equality, I think most people still have a need to know where their place in the hierachy is.

In Thailand, it is common to ask your job, age, where you live etc within a short time, as this quickly gauges your place in the hiearachy and therefore if you should grovel or expect to be grovelled to.

I've found that when I do well in a conversation upon meeting a woman for the first time, I rarely get asked what I do and if asked I just say I am self-employed or that I have a company or two. That information is all that is needed. Defining yourself by what you do rather than your employment status (boss or employee) is a mistake. Just start telling people you're the boss, then they won't care what you are a boss for.
 
Adevictus said:
just bought my parents a new car and paid the remainder of their mortgage and they still ask me when im going to get a real job
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roflmao! Same thing happened to me. Got my own residence and have 2 daughters. Still they are telling me to "graduate" and look for a real job
p.s. while they support my kids. lolz :ak:
 
User9364 said:
"Do you want more business? What if I told you I could help you make more money? If you want to talk more about that, I'm interested. I have a lot of ideas and tips I could share with you."
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If I met someone that said that to me at an event or something when I asked them what they did, I would either tell them to fuck off, or laugh and walk away. Potentially a combination of both.

You're dodging the question, and look a combination of both an obvious salesman and shady as hell in the process. People aren't looking for advice when they ask that question, they just want to know what you do. Once they know what you do, providing you've answered the question well, they'll ask you if there's something they think you can give them advice/help them on [assuming what you do is in any way relevant to them].
 
mituozo said:
If I met someone that said that to me at an event or something when I asked them what they did, I would either tell them to fuck off, or laugh and walk away. Potentially a combination of both.

You're dodging the question, and look a combination of both an obvious salesman and shady as hell in the process. People aren't looking for advice when they ask that question, they just want to know what you do. Once they know what you do, providing you've answered the question well, they'll ask you if there's something they think you can give them advice/help them on [assuming what you do is in any way relevant to them].
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Well, yeah, if you take it out of context. That kind of discussion doesn't happen in the first sentence, and it's not a response to what I do. It's an offer of free help now and then. When I meet someone involved in their own business, I brainstorm business shit. It's how I'm wired. That goes for dog walkers, grass cutters, etc. I'm usually in a position to help them, but not seeking employment. On occasion, partnership opportunities exist.
 
golan said:
Not a good idea. Then they bring you all their family and aunts x286's to fix them, and for free.

:party-smiley-004:
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The real bitch is when something breaks.....

Never. Ever. Fix computers without expecting to be blamed for them breaking in the future.
 
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