The Race To November: Democrats, Republicans, And The Tea Party

I don't know why I'm posting in this thread.

Two things:

A viable third party will never rise until some sort of meaningful campaign finance reform and term limits happens. Not to mention the fact that there is no such thing as unbiased news media any longer...at least not anything your average American knows about and is exposed to.

Libertarians will never win on a national level until they organize into a true party. Seems things were moving in this direction until a few years ago.

Since neither of these things is likely, what we have now and should expect to be the norm is more and more politicians attaining office and showing how little class they actually have, along with the fact that their allegiance to the voters who put them there being a tenuous motivation at best.

When Presidents are apparently unable do any better than lowering themselves to calling out individuals of the other party by name and allowing same from their own press secretary then why do we expect such great things from these elected dolts?

If you can't depend on the POTUS to act like a mature adult with some hint of professional decorum then there's not much hope in things getting better.

because of the teabaggers.
Ya' know, I'm not a tea party person, but I really hate this. It always seems like the most immature thing to say, and usually indicates that any further statements should be disregarded. I'll have to make an exception here since I agree with what you said about the tea party hijacking Libertarian ideas. Of course, the original tea party movement was, I believe, hijacked by moneyed interests with ties to the Republicans in hopes of gaining more power.

This was an opportunity that an organized Libertarian party could have taken advantage of, and possibly gotten some candidates elected. Instead they (tea partiers) allowed people like Palin to woo their hearts. It would have been much better to run the other way. God bless the poor and obviously easily led flyover folk.

In addition, my wife and I were discussing this, and it's a good thing for people to see non-establishment candidates gain some traction if for no other reason than to prove to the masses that votes do count. It's not necessary to vote for either/or. A couple of electees with extreme views won't likely do any more damage than both established parties have already done, and maybe the establishment will get their asses into gear once they see that the people, their bosses, will fire them.

Good gosh, sorry for the fucking book.
 


There's plenty of documentation where "Second Amendment Solutions" were not only suggested, but encouraged. While they haven't gone that far, I'm seeing a tea party where the right is moving further and further to the right, each of the politicians running on this ticket are simply trying to out-extremist the next.

I don't totally disagree with your statements about some of the candidates, but the right wing doesn't have violent extremism on lock.

In addition, there was another group in the 18th century who were thought of as terrorists because they refused to continue to submit to the whims of an overreaching government. Call me crazy, but if a political revolution doesn't bring things into balance eventually attempts at a violent revolution aren't an outside possibility. Quite enough wingnuts on both sides.
 
This is mostly about the 1988 Presidential Election, but it shows how dirty people are willing to get even within their own party:

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You want to see some fearmongering in action, watch that. I remembered the Dukakis tank ads and the Willie Horton ads; the only reason G.H.W. Bush got elected was because people were scared shitless of Dukakis.

None of these people (campaigning now) believe or even give a shit about what they are talking about. You won't stay in politics long if you actually try to do the things you believe need to be done.
 
None of these people (campaigning now) believe or even give a shit about what they are talking about. You won't stay in politics long if you actually try to do the things you believe need to be done.

Personally, no one should stay in an office more than one term. Go in there, get shit done right and leave. Politics should be no one's career, it's suppose to be a service to the country, nothing more. Staying in there for years leaves you detached from the actual Americans that you're suppose to be supporting. You can't know how to fix something if you aren't living the situation.
 
In addition, my wife and I were discussing this, and it's a good thing for people to see non-establishment candidates gain some traction if for no other reason than to prove to the masses that votes do count. It's not necessary to vote for either/or. A couple of electees with extreme views won't likely do any more damage than both established parties have already done, and maybe the establishment will get their asses into gear once they see that the people, their bosses, will fire them.

Don't forget, the Tea Party isn't a political party at all. They are simply a more conservative form of Republicans, but to say they are non-establishment candidates is a misnomer - they're still Republicans.

A non-establishment party would be the Libertarians, but apparently they let their ideas get jacked. This is a huge thing for the Republican Party because now they have essentially neutered the Libertarian Party and ensured that no 3rd Party will seriously challenge them. Had they gotten out front of this movement they could have easily made it their own, but now the Libertarian Party is fucked, as the Republicans simply shift to the right.
 
Just a quick update on Harry Reid, who seems to be up to shenanigans in order to win votes in Nevada. Jack Cafferty posted today about the coming contest between Reid and TP candidate Sharron Angle.

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Here's the gist. A lot of folks are looking at this particular race. It may set the tone for the Tea Party, especially given Reid's position as Senate Majority Leader.

Polls have them even, but it's early. Plus, as Cafferty mentions, Angle has a lead among independents - a group that is largely a wild card.

A few days ago, Reid announced he's adding the DREAM immigration bill to the defense bill. I'm not certain how the demographics look in Nevada, nor am I sure how the immigrant population in that state considers DREAM. According to CNN's Ruben Navarrette, there are a lot of Hispanics in the state, and he presumes they'll like it. I presume Reid is pushing this to get their vote in November. Again, shenanigans.

Don't worry. I won't keep updating this thread with the November races. Just thought this was a great example of political pandering that may actually affect our lives. (Reid pushed health care HARD.)
 
Yep. Christine O'Donnell is a nut job, and that is really saying something when you keep company with Sharron Angle.

A hard core tea partier told me he would rather Christine O'Donnell lose the election if it meant purging the party of moderates like Castle (moderates are bad mmmkay)

How is Christine O'Donnell a nut job? Because Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert run her 1990 MTV video over and over?

None of you are getting the Tea Party people or conservatives. They only care about one thing. Cut the size of government, cut spending, cut taxes. The trivial shit you bring up means nothing. They'll vote for whoever they think will do that for them.

It would be pretty amazing if O'Donnell wins considering the amount of know-it-all's who predicted she is guaranteed to lose. Egg on their face, indeed...
 
How is Christine O'Donnell a nut job? Because Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert run her 1990 MTV video over and over?

None of you are getting the Tea Party people or conservatives. They only care about one thing. Cut the size of government, cut spending, cut taxes. The trivial shit you bring up means nothing. They'll vote for whoever they think will do that for them.

It would be pretty amazing if O'Donnell wins considering the amount of know-it-all's who predicted she is guaranteed to lose. Egg on their face, indeed...
DUDE!!!! I haven't watched The Daily Show since I relocated. Thanks for the reminder!!! I gotta get back to watchin some TV again, atleast a little bit!
 
None of you are getting the Tea Party people or conservatives. They only care about one thing. Cut the size of government, cut spending, cut taxes.

You know that's not true. How do you think O'Donnell will vote on legislation concerning marijuana legalization, gay marriage, or online gambling? She'd vote against every single one, just like Palin or Angle would. I'll give you Rand Paul, but even he is having to toe the line of traditional conservative values to some extent on social issues and trying to dance around the the distinctions between being against something and saying he doesn't want to government to have any involvement at all.

If I could believe for one second that O'Donnell and some of the others didn't have social agendas outside of what is dictated by the Constitution I'd be behind them, but they do have agendas. All politicians have agendas concerning everything, all politicians are scum.
 
Exactly. Libertarians should be PISSED about how these wackos came along and played to the libertarian tune but are really just the old news extreme Right masquerading in Libertarian clothes. And just when the libertarian movement was starting to get some real gain, too. After this election and when the tea party movement finally dies everyone will associate Libertarian with Tea Party movement.

It won't gain legs again for YEARS.

You fucking nailed it. And I am pissed.
 
You know that's not true. How do you think O'Donnell will vote on legislation concerning marijuana legalization, gay marriage, or online gambling?

You're listening but not hearing. Again, important issues to Tea Party conservatives: cut government. Cut spending, cut taxes. Everything else is unimportant, especially these libertarian nutjob issues that always gets you guys jizzing in your pants.
 
None of you are getting the Tea Party people or conservatives. They only care about one thing. Cut the size of government, cut spending, cut taxes. The trivial shit you bring up means nothing. They'll vote for whoever they think will do that for them.

For someone who screams "sheeple" so often, you sure are blind.
 
Actually the Tea party is going to help the Republicans Kick some major ass in November. Most Polls had Coakley beating out Brown too just a year ago in Massachusetts - simply because he did some crazy things in his past, and he was endorsed by that crazy bitch Sarah Palin. But guess what happened there? And you can't find a more Liberal state than that one. And the atmosphere now is even more hostile toward democrats.

Now it would be different if all of the Tea party candidates were on their own ticket. But they're not. Like Brown they are taking the Republican ticket. So there will not be a split there at all.

Believe me, the liberals are looking at this right now w/ glee. Just like a dog on road kill.... right before the bus runs him over.
 
I'm so sick of the political BS. But luckily so long as AdSense keeps working and the USD is still valid, I'll be fine. What I worry about is the rest of the country. Life is shit for a lot of people right now....
 
None of you are getting the Tea Party people or conservatives. They only care about one thing. Cut the size of government, cut spending, cut taxes.

Go look at surveys where self-identified tea party members are asked about cutting things like medicare, social security or military spending.


Actually the Tea party is going to help the Republicans Kick some major ass in November. Most Polls had Coakley beating out Brown too just a year ago in Massachusetts - simply because he did some crazy things in his past, and he was endorsed by that crazy bitch Sarah Palin. But guess what happened there? And you can't find a more Liberal state than that one. And the atmosphere now is even more hostile toward democrats.

Now it would be different if all of the Tea party candidates were on their own ticket. But they're not. Like Brown they are taking the Republican ticket. So there will not be a split there at all.

Polls around election time had only 10% of Massachusetts residents wanting to repeal their state health care system. The concern of many voters was funding a national system when they already had their own. Brown was and is far from a tea party candidate as he voted for the Mass health care and went on to vote for Harry Reid's jobs bill.

While anti-democrat sentiment must have helped him get some votes, it's quite a different scenario than other upcoming elections.