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SeoReborn said:
War in Gaza: Israel accused of killing 30 after shelling safe house




War in Gaza: Israel accused of killing 30 after shelling safe house - Times Online
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Gotta love one sided reporting like this. That claim is of course from the Palestinians.

It's not the practice of the Israeli army to physically move Palestinians from a house and make them go into a "safe house" All they do is call/ text/ drop leaflets telling people to get out by a certain time. They never designate another house for them to go to and they never physically lead them there. Think about it, it's totally not safe for their troops to go to a house and remove people and them lead them to another house. It doesn't happen. I asked a friend who was formerly in the Israeli army to confirm this.

Second, the israeli army has a record of every area where they conduct air strikes and attacks. They weren't even in the AREA at that day/time.


Quit reading the sob stories that the media and Palestinians put out there to get emotional based people like you. They know something like that will get you upset and cause you to ignore your logic.

Start doing some of your own research and stop buying into the media bullshit that is one-sided....
 


SeoReborn said:
Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!
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Again, two sides to every story. It's a shame you only choose to believe one for every indecent that happens..

IDF: Army didn't fire on UN truck driver | Confronting Hamas | Jerusalem Post


Read this:

The foreign press reports were based on UN sources, who later admitted to the Post that they were not sure in which direction the truck was headed when it was hit, and could also not say with certainty that tank shells were responsible.
Foreign press reports said the dead Palestinian and two others were hit by tank shells. A MDA medic at the scene told the Post that soldiers in the field said Hamas snipers targeted the aid workers. A Post probe revealed that the two wounded Palestinians were being treated at Barzilai for gunshot wounds.
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Funny they died of gunshot wounds. Didn't know tank shells could do that...
 
rgordon83 said:
Gotta love one sided reporting like this. That claim is of course from the Palestinians.

It's not the practice of the Israeli army to physically move Palestinians from a house and make them go into a "safe house" All they do is call/ text/ drop leaflets telling people to get out by a certain time. They never designate another house for them to go to and they never physically lead them there. Think about it, it's totally not safe for their troops to go to a house and remove people and them lead them to another house. It doesn't happen. I asked a friend who was formerly in the Israeli army to confirm this.

Second, the israeli army has a record of every area where they conduct air strikes and attacks. They weren't even in the AREA at that day/time.


Quit reading the sob stories that the media and Palestinians put out there to get emotional based people like you. They know something like that will get you upset and cause you to ignore your logic.

Start doing some of your own research and stop buying into the media bullshit that is one-sided....
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Read the article properly

The United Nations has accused Israel of evacuating scores of Palestinians into a house in the suburbs of Gaza City, only to shell the property 24 hours later, killing some 30 people.
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I don't think the United Nations is Palestinians, and Timesonline is not a Palestinian news agency either.
 
rgordon83 said:
Again, two sides to every story. It's a shame you only choose to believe one for every indecent that happens..

IDF: Army didn't fire on UN truck driver | Confronting Hamas | Jerusalem Post


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Funny they died of gunshot wounds. Didn't know tank shells could do that...
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so heres the scope of the article:

The IDF was not responsible for the death of a Palestinian aid worker contracted to the UN and the wounding of two others on Thursday, the IDF Spokesman said. Why? because an IDF investigation has found that it was not.

Also you keep on discrediting my sources when the sources you have posted consists of FOX NEWS, BBC, and now the JERUSALEM POST.

You have been misled by the Israeli propaganda to the point of not acknowledging that a genocide is taking place.
 
SeoReborn said:
so heres the scope of the article:

The IDF was not responsible for the death of a Palestinian aid worker contracted to the UN and the wounding of two others on Thursday, the IDF Spokesman said. Why? because an IDF investigation has found that it was not.

Also you keep on discrediting my sources when the sources you have posted consists of FOX NEWS, BBC, and now the JERUSALEM POST.

You have been misled by the Israeli propaganda to the point of not acknowledging that a genocide is taking place.
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You chose to ignore this part:

The foreign press reports were based on UN sources, who later admitted to the Post that they were not sure in which direction the truck was headed when it was hit, and could also not say with certainty that tank shells were responsible.



Foreign press reports said the dead Palestinian and two others were hit by tank shells. A MDA medic at the scene told the Post that soldiers in the field said Hamas snipers targeted the aid workers. A Post probe revealed that the two wounded Palestinians were being treated at Barzilai for gunshot wounds.
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SeoReborn said:
That crusty old woman is the United Nations Relief & Works Agency Commissioner General. I have more reason to believe her than trust your view.
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Exactly, and if she left out half the story of how the "militants" got killed, then how can you trust anything the UN says. I already showed few reports of how those militants got killed and how it was NOT a violation of the cease fire. But you choose to ignore the facts and listen to a one-sided report.

In fact, you have not had very many intelligent or well researched responses to any of the facts i've been posted. You know nothing of history or of the real situation. You're a media stooge who sees some dead babies on the news and then cries Genocide without looking any deeper.

I doubt you've ever been to israel. I doubt you know anyone involved on either side. You feel how the media wants you to feel and you listen to what your Mullahs tell you and that's it.
You refuse to ask yourself logical questions and you don't need to think because you let the TV and newspapers think for you.
 
You chose to ignore this part:

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The foreign press reports were based on UN sources, who later admitted to the Post that they were not sure in which direction the truck was headed when it was hit, and could also not say with certainty that tank shells were responsible.



Foreign press reports said the dead Palestinian and two others were hit by tank shells. A MDA medic at the scene told the Post that soldiers in the field said Hamas snipers targeted the aid workers. A Post probe revealed that the two wounded Palestinians were being treated at Barzilai for gunshot wounds.
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Again you are quoting a article from the Jerusalem Post.

rgordon83 said:
Exactly, and if she left out half the story of how the "militants" got killed, then how can you trust anything the UN says. I already showed few reports of how those militants got killed and how it was NOT a violation of the cease fire. But you choose to ignore the facts and listen to a one-sided report.

In fact, you have not had very many intelligent or well researched responses to any of the facts i've been posted. You know nothing of history or of the real situation. You're a media stooge who sees some dead babies on the news and then cries Genocide without looking any deeper.

I doubt you've ever been to israel. I doubt you know anyone involved on either side. You feel how the media wants you to feel and you listen to what your Mullahs tell you and that's it.
You refuse to ask yourself logical questions and you don't need to think because you let the TV and newspapers think for you.
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No I have not been to Israel, you probably have(?). This also means I have not been exposed to the Israel media propaganda you have. It does require a trip to Israel to realise many citizens are being killed. You for a fact is denying this, and accuse any thing that is beyond what you perceive as your reality as false. You believe I do not give intelligent responses because it does not conform to your views.

By the way, I don't own a TV. I believe TV is poisonous to the mind, with so much bullshit propaganda n programming around, I prefer to look into it myself. Hamas has been created by the west including Israel, even Ron Paul speaks out about this. Accusing me of "not thinking" does not make you any more intelligent.
 
SeoReborn said:
No I have not been to Israel, you probably have(?). This also means I have not been exposed to the Israel media propaganda you have.
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No it means i have been witnessed a civilized society that does not poison the minds of it's own children with things like this:

YouTube - Hamas indoctrination of Kids: Bombs more precious than children

and this from a hamas cleric

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsvqcp4aWF8"]YouTube - Hamas: Quran says Jews to be exterminated - long version[/ame]

Here are some interesting quotations from other hamas clerics:

Headline: "Suffering by Fire is Jews' destiny in this world and next."
"... you will taste the punishment of Scorching Fire." [Quran 3:181]
"This [Quran] verse threatens the Jews with the punishment of Fire... the reason for the punishment of Fire is it is fitting retribution for what they have done... but the urgent question is, is it possible that they will have the punishment of Fire in this world, before the great punishment [of Fire in Hell] ... many of the [Islamic] religious leaders believe that the [Jews'] punishment of Fire is in this world, before the next world... therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews." [Sheikh Yunus Al-Astal, Hamas MP, in his regular column in Al-Rissala, (Hamas weekly) March 13, 2008]

It is important to note that the Hamas MP switched words in the last sentence, from the word he used throughout, "harik", which means "fire", to "mahraka" a word from the same root, that is used by Arabic speakers to mean "holocaust."
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"Regarding the Jews, our business with them is only through bombs and guns... the prophet [Muhammad] promised that we will fight you, with Allah's help, until the tree and stone say: "Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him."
[Nizar Rayan, Hamas religious and military leader, Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas), Jan. 1, 2009. Note: Rayan was killed on Jan. 2, 2009]
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In an article promoting the continued use of suicide terror in the official Hamas newspaper:
"We find more than one condemnation and denunciation of the resistance operations and bombings [suicide attacks], carried out by Hamas and the Palestinian resistance branches... [Eventually] everyone will know that we did this only because our Lord commanded so: 'I did it not of my own accord' [Quran] and so that people will know that the extermination of Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds."
[Al-Rissala, (Hamas weekly) April 23, 2007]
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"Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah's promise whatever time it might take. The prophet [Muhammad] said: 'The time (of Resurrection) will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!'"
[Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985]
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I can post quotes like these all day, but you get the point...

Please find any israeli TV shows that teach killing Palestinian children (or even HAMAS children). Please find a prominant rabbi in Israel teaching that the Arabs must all be killed according to religion. You won't find anything b/c it doesn't happen.

Now, you said the US and Israel created Hamas, you obviously chose to ignore the points i posted earlier citing the Hebron Massacre and the Arab Revolt, both which happened way before there was ever a state of Israel. Hamas is just another Arab excuse to kill Jews just because they are jews. Not because of Israel or anything else. Also, when you say israel and US created Hamas it seems as though you sympathisze with them and tfeel hat they are justified.

The sad thing is that if your country keeps on the same pace, you'll likely have Shariah law within 50 years, in which case you will be killed as an infadel...

That's why they say liberalism is a mental disorder...


Oh, and here is an interesting report from a PALESTINIAN newspaper in Iran that it was using hospitals for cover and endangering civilians. Needless to say, Iran shut down the paper.

I'll post the link to a google search so you can pick your media outlet of choice:

Iran closes a reformist newspaper, for publishing a report criticizing Hamas - Google Search
 
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After they cut the head of the snake (who are the jews as mentioned in the video by the religion of peace spokesmen) They are going to come after the Dragons head (I'm assuming the civilized western world)

Heres another video. Beheading of a Jewish guy by the religion of peace.
nick berg video - Google Video
 
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