The resurrection of lukep

11 days ago EBay's affiliate program (actually a bigger earner for me than Adcents during most of the year) made a horrible change to their affiliate program, cutting down the cookie from 7 days to a mere 24 hours... Meaning that if you sent them traffic today, they'd only credit you for a sale if the auction finishes TODAY!

Luke

Sure about that?

"For a “Buy It Now” item, you will be compensated if a user makes a purchase within 24 hours. For “Bid” items where a bid (not necessarily the Winning Bid) is placed within 24 hours of the initial click, you are credited for winning auctions for 10 days, which is the maximum length that an auction can last."

Looks like it credits you for up to 10 days, the bid is what needs to be placed in 24 hours.
 


I've invested a lot of money and time into my infrastructure that allows me to roll-out and manage these sites... This system is literally my most valuable business asset... So that'd be like starting from scratch.

That's a bad reason to stick with something. If something is fucked, don't be too proud/scared to call it fucked, sell it to make what you can and start from scratch. Otherwise, you end up wasting even more time and money.

Quantity worked great in the naughts, but today, it's all about quality. 10 branded sites with direct traffic will make more than those 1000 sites combined. Uncrate, for example, pulls in close to $100k a month.

P.S. Re:Thailand - fuck Thailand. Liquidate, and move elsewhere, like Argentina. Biz is gonna be hard enough for the next year or so, no need to put yourself in an environment that drags you down even deeper.
 
LukeP is back?

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Alright I have to ask - why Argentina? :)
I was merely pointing out that LukeP should research whats a good place to emigrate to and move there, rather than resigning himself to Thailand. Argentina just happened to come up based on a conversation I once had (in fact, it may have been a bad example given the impending financial and civil unrest there).

Staying close to family and friends is my #1 priority in life, so I'd never leave the US. But if LukeP's decided to take the plunge, he can do a lot better than Thailand.
 
I do question it... But I've invested a lot of money and time into my infrastructure that allows me to roll-out and manage these sites... This system is literally my most valuable business asset... So that'd be like starting from scratch.

Now each domain is going to have to perform better to earn its keep though. Will be a stressful few months.

Dude, that's a classic sunk cost fallacy. It's over, cut your losses and move onto bigger and better things. I used to have a very similar model, but it makes no sense clinging to a model that's been mostly eradicated over the last two years.

It'll probably be a shitty half a year, but find a way to scrap by and hustle while you evolve your game. And when you get back on top, don't make the same mistake of getting too comfortable.
 
Thanks for the warm re-welcome, everyone!


My worry about Amazon is "dat cookie" is long, but not wide. (Insert penis joke here.) The way I understand it is that it's a specific-to-the-item cookie, is that what you've observed too? Any strategy tips you have for maximizing it would be appreciated.

I believe you have it reversed. The cookie only lasts 24 hours, but is sitewide. I get commissions on completely unrelated items all the time.
 
Well if you have 30% of your revenue left, consider yourself lucky. You can probably still live in Thailand, and most Asian countries, with that income. Some people here lost everything with the penguin update.
 
LukeP, I don't think the Amazon cookie is item specific. It's just about getting them there.
I believe you have it reversed. The cookie only lasts 24 hours, but is sitewide. I get commissions on completely unrelated items all the time.
The "default" cookie is 24 hours and sitewide. The "other" cookie that you get for putting an item in their shopping cart is 90 Days. (!) It's the holy cookie of antioch... But from what I can tell it is item specific. Can anyone point out where I'm wrong on that?


In regards to adsense, why not just set one up under an LLC?
I certainly gave that some thought, but I see others being dropped left and right for having similar sites... So unless I get a whole new type of site I'll likely be dumped again. :(



Have you been banned from Adsense or did your sites get a thin content penalty?! I only ask as a ton of my sites got whacked with manual GWT penalties all at the same time (even new ones with no ads). Got a feeling this could have been triggered by spam complaints from competitors, still not got my head around it.
Banned. First a few Site-bans came in, like 7 in one day, 22 a few days later, All thin-content sites... But before I could figure out what to do about it they sent a final email telling me to go dickroll myself. Some of those sites had been using adsense on them for over 6 years.

I even took out all of my thinnest sites and did the appeal, and within two days they wrote back saying: "No. And don't appeal anymore. Eat shit."

I see this as being more of an "Economy is getting to bad" move from them than a "Algorythm is getting too smart" kinds of move. My sites mostly all promoted products, and they of course make more money keeping their traffic on google shopping than they do sending them to my sites. :(


Turn it into a link farm?

sape.ru = luke.th
Lol... These are mostly PR1 sites. I'll probably make more money with amazon, thanks.


I wouldn't try to keep those 1,000 sites afloat. You're throwing away $8-9K/yr just for reg fees. If you rolled that cash into developing 1 or 2 decent sites it might work out better.
Well I still plan to dump any site that doesn't pay for itself, so that isn't a big concern... And getting a big site full of quality content is just something I've never been in the mindset to do... Buying content is hard work, bro!

I used to run a large network of adult sites and spam blogs until the big G decided it didn't love me anymore and other factors sent it all down the shitter. I know that just attempting to maintain that many sites is a recipe for failure. You're spreading yourself too thin. Even with a lot of automation, there's only so much one man can do in a day.
You're right now that google's gone, of course, but I really did have it all automated out the wazoo... I could build a complete site in 5 minutes flat and not even think about it until a year later at re-registration time, when I judged whether or not it should live or die. (And most did live. Until now.)

IMy advice would be to just keep an open mind in your business. Don't lock yourself in to one way of doing things. Don't hang on to failing sites and try to keep them afloat, just cut your losses and move on to something else. And try to not get involved in projects that will eat 100hrs of your time every week.
Thanks, I will keep this in mind.



Have you thought about running actual affiliate offers or cpa offers on your sites vs adsense, etc? Or do you already? At least on your 50 or 100 best sites?
I never mastered running CJ/Linkshare/SAS offers mainly because they would come and go and therefore caused too much work. A few real estate CPA forms have made me some nice cash but after 6 months or something they'd be gone and I'd just sit there wishing they stuck around. It's a very different model than the kind of site you throw PPC traffic at, which is what offers are really made for.



"For a “Buy It Now” item, you will be compensated if a user makes a purchase within 24 hours. For “Bid” items where a bid (not necessarily the Winning Bid) is placed within 24 hours of the initial click, you are credited for winning auctions for 10 days, which is the maximum length that an auction can last."

Looks like it credits you for up to 10 days, the bid is what needs to be placed in 24 hours.
Well there is more to it than I explained in the OP but the bottom line is that everyone is reporting that 50% to 100% of their earnings have been completely wiped out. There are no happy EPN affiliates right now, despite these lies. (If you're interested in learning which curse words fly under ebay's comment filter, check out those 85 pissed-off comments at the bottom of that page.) :1orglaugh:



That's a bad reason to stick with something. If something is fucked, don't be too proud/scared to call it fucked, sell it to make what you can and start from scratch. Otherwise, you end up wasting even more time and money.
In general I agree, but there are some ways to get a lot more out of Amazon and a little more out of EPN, while replacing google with media.net and other ad solutions... So I'm expecting that after all the work is done I'll only be losing 40%-30%, not the whole 70% I am right now.

If I don't get it back up there, you're absolutely right, and I need to start from scratch. :(


P.S. Re:Thailand - fuck Thailand. Liquidate, and move elsewhere, like Argentina. Biz is gonna be hard enough for the next year or so, no need to put yourself in an environment that drags you down even deeper.
Interesting you'd say this. I don't hate thailand or anything... In many ways it is far more free than the USSA is... Many people would be very, very lucky to move here from the US.

...But I agree. The heat and the way society is set up here is not for me. I'm looking very hard into Chile right now, even planning a trip there this year. Talking the wife into moving there, however, is not going to be easy!


Well if you have 30% of your revenue left, consider yourself lucky. You can probably still live in Thailand, and most Asian countries, with that income. Some people here lost everything with the penguin update.
Yeah, I guess I am lucky in that respect. I'll be taking a hit on my quality of living before too long though if I don't get this shit performing better again though. Time to get to work.
 
Luke dont lose faith so easily i lost 10 adsense accounts over 6 years but have 20 still going spread the risk around. This industry is easy as fuck for us. Look at skyfire lost it all and made 200k in a few months.
 
I never mastered running CJ/Linkshare/SAS offers mainly because they would come and go and therefore caused too much work. A few real estate CPA forms have made me some nice cash but after 6 months or something they'd be gone and I'd just sit there wishing they stuck around. It's a very different model than the kind of site you throw PPC traffic at, which is what offers are really made for.

It might be worth a 10 minute conversation with someone like Smaxor or one of the other network owners to see if they have in-house offers that you could set up. Those are going to be more stable than some of the fly-by-night offers that pop up on CPA networks. Another option might be capturing the leads first and selling them later, there are a couple of market places designed specifically for this. If you're interested I can see if I can dig up the info on those. It would take some work to get set up, but cutting out the middle man would mean bigger profits.
 
I think ebay is different to the other majors that in the core they do not have their affiliate system up to generate money but to generate traffic. Thats their focus, at last alot more as amazon or adsense.

I had hope in the past that it will perhaps change as more ebay becomes more a shop system as an pure auction but well...
 
Depending on your set-up you could use your domains to rank a few sites in the SERPs and dominate a niche for a physical product or two. Start your own offer.

Looking forward to reading your journal on how're turning things around dude.

Good luck bro.