The root cause of 9/11 - why the west is hated.

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Jondoe0069 said:
If all these foreigners hate America so much, they should take a look at their own shitty fucking countries and realize that they have far more problems than we do. And all the pieces of shit who hate America, but come over here so they can have a better life should be shot. It should be a requirement for any foreigner who wants to stay in America for any length of time to be branded with a big ass US Flag tattoo so they can show how much they love the country they were dying to live in.
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I love threads like this.
It reminds me why i left america (well technically canada)
Jondoe is the stereo-type of the narrow minded american.
Where I live are lots of americans who got fedup with shit for brains like jondoe :P

USA is rich because it has like 25% of the worlds resources and like only 5% of the worlds population, you do the math. Well thanx to the USA's poor education system you are unable to :P

Singapore on the other hand with no resources now has a higher standard of living then USA. On the other hand thier education system is way better then USA.

I know tons of people who immigrated to USA, lived there for like 2 years and said this place sucks shit and then left.

Shitty countries, well yah they ussually suck, because USA supported the dictators that fuked them up, like marcos, saddam hussien, osama bin laden etc.

As for the immigrants that come to USA to work, well you should be happy. They clean up your mess, and they do jobs which americans are too lazy or too fuking stupid to do.

Stop supporting dicators, stop overthowing legally elected gov'ts, stop funding foriegn aid projects which are designed to fail and get 3rd world countries in debt.
 


oziman: just before you get all riled up, I should point out that my parents are Jews. What I say isn't based out of ignorant anti-semitism, but (what I feel to be at least) a weighing up of the WW2 history pounded into me at highschool, and then looking at more recent information about the whole Israel/Palestinian issue.

There IS anti-Palestinian propaganda put out by Israeli tabloids (although, not by the government, at least).
There IS an endemic attitude, at least in the IDF, of suppressing non-Israeli's.
There IS a disregard on both a domestic and international level for what happens to those people because they're an under class.
There ARE enclaves for them where conditions are amazingly 3rd world that do see some pretty shocking treatment from the armed forces (although the inhabitants aren't turned into soap and mortar).
 
LazyHippy said:
It's a bit different here as I kinda think we created the problem, we should help sort it out. I very much agree that we shouldn't take sides but unfortunately is seems that the Zionist lobby is very good at persuading our elected representatives to do just that, take sides.
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You sould read A Peace to End All Peace.

And not you, personally, LH, but the British royally stabbed the Jews in the back to when they pulled out -- and everybody thought the Jews would be driven out then. I say not you, personally, because I don't blame people in South Dakota and Montana for Little Big Horn and Wounded Knee.

Also interesting, the average lifespan of Palestinians increased from about 40 (before Isreal) to about 70 after the Jewish state was established, complete with nice Jewish doctors.

And I also know that if people started throwing rocks at cops in the streets of Houston, Texas, there would be blood.
 
I am sooo tired of the old "we saved Europe from Hitler" spiel you get from the American dipshits all the time.

1. Hitler was NOT winning. The German war machine was grinding to a halt. His troops were getting ground up on his "I will attack every front at once" tactics already. Yes, it might have taken more time, but eh..

2. The US did not enter this war willingly nor as the shining hero. As a fact, the US stayed out of the war (and wanted to stay out of it) until a stupid German blew up a US passenger ship. The public outcry made the US enter the war.

3. It was fucking 70 years ago. Get over it already. You might have been heroes in shiny armor once (or not, see 1 and 2) but that was a looong time ago.
In between then and now we have the Cuba crisis, Vietnam, Iraq war 1, Guantanoma and the second Iraq war. Your shiny armor is getting spots all over.

4. Things today are not as clear-cut as they have been. In fact, WWII might have been the last black and white, good and evil war ever fought.

Meh...

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SniperRyan said:
To state a similar point of view in a less inflammatory manner, I've been reading this thread wondering: what would happen if "religion" was taken off the list of inalienable rights?
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The question here is: IS it an unalienable right?

I do not know about the US, so I am going to ramble on about the German constitution.

We have several constitutional right, such as freedom of speech, freedom to congregate, freedom of religion, etc..

The way it works here is that there is an order to it. Basically, the right that comes first trumps.

Freedom of religion is a way down the list, coming after such beautiful things such as equality of sexes, the right to an unharmed body, etc..

The problem I see right now is that all the religious fanatics and their moderate counterparts and the excusion makers are crying FOUL if even a moderate limit is put onto a religion.

They are succeeding in having religion trump everything else... WTF?

I mentioned it before, but I will reinforce my statement now.
I am done with laissez-faire atheism.
Religion is evil in and of itself. I will openly criticize and debate this dangerous stupidity whenever I can and FUCK your religious feelings.
I don't care how much you love your invisible friends.

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if you thought this shit was interesting i recommend the money masters on youtube. there are fat ugly white people running shit
 
emp said:
I am sooo tired of the old "we saved Europe from Hitler" spiel you get from the American dipshits all the time.

1. Hitler was NOT winning. The German war machine was grinding to a halt. His troops were getting ground up on his "I will attack every front at once" tactics already. Yes, it might have taken more time, but eh..

2. The US did not enter this war willingly nor as the shining hero. As a fact, the US stayed out of the war (and wanted to stay out of it) until a stupid German blew up a US passenger ship. The public outcry made the US enter the war.

3. It was fucking 70 years ago. Get over it already. You might have been heroes in shiny armor once (or not, see 1 and 2) but that was a looong time ago.
In between then and now we have the Cuba crisis, Vietnam, Iraq war 1, Guantanoma and the second Iraq war. Your shiny armor is getting spots all over.

4. Things today are not as clear-cut as they have been. In fact, WWII might have been the last black and white, good and evil war ever fought.

Meh...

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I bet the thousands Americans that died and are buried in France just turned in their graves on this post. The U.S. WILL have to bail Europe out again..mark my word.

If its not from the up-comming rebuilt Soviet Union, it will be from the Islamist that are running crazy up and down the streets of Europe.

Europe will sing a different song then.
 
Haha.

I did NOT say you dod not help.

It is just the incessant chess-beating that gets on my nerves.

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HarveyJ said:
oziman: just before you get all riled up, I should point out that my parents are Jews. What I say isn't based out of ignorant anti-semitism, but (what I feel to be at least) a weighing up of the WW2 history pounded into me at highschool, and then looking at more recent information about the whole Israel/Palestinian issue.

There IS anti-Palestinian propaganda put out by Israeli tabloids (although, not by the government, at least).
There IS an endemic attitude, at least in the IDF, of suppressing non-Israeli's.
There IS a disregard on both a domestic and international level for what happens to those people because they're an under class.
There ARE enclaves for them where conditions are amazingly 3rd world that do see some pretty shocking treatment from the armed forces (although the inhabitants aren't turned into soap and mortar).
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HarveyJ:


All I'm saying is comparing what's happening here to the holocaust is not correct. I agree with you that the state has developed a sort of replacement religion centered around the holocaust, which I do not think is a good thing. Are we treating the palestinians like the Germans did us? Absolutely not.

1. Almost everything the newspapers write here is spin.
2. Having served 4 years, I may be a bit biased but the overall attitude of the IDF is to go out of it's way not to hurt people who are not directly responsible for terrorism - there is no real concept of collateral damage in the IDF - whether I agree with that or not is another issue.
3. I try not to pay attention internationally - domestically I think the feeling is we've consistently given them a chance and they just respond by homicide bombs.
4. Are the conditions in some of these refugee areas not ideal? Absolutely. Brutality by a force that patrols these areas? I would say rarely and certainly condemned on an institutional level. People go to jail when there is cause.

I will continue to get all riled up b/c I live here and I can't understand why everyone outside this country gets so inflamed.

On that note, whenever you come and visit, we'll get a drink.

Emp: A historical note or two: Roosevelt would have loved to join WW2 earlier but there was not enough public sentiment. The US joined WW2 as a direct result of the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. War was only declared on the Germans as a result of Hitler declaring war on the US b/c of his alliance with Japan. The boat you are referring to is the Lusitania and that was WWI/The Great War.

Had the US not entered the war it's difficult to imagine what would've happened, as the second front (which didn't really gain steam until the invasion of Africa to help the Brits defeat Rommel, and then from there to Italy and finally d-day on June 6 1944) would've not really existed.

oziman
 
nop_90 said:
Singapore on the other hand with no resources now has a higher standard of living then USA. On the other hand thier education system is way better then USA.
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You're a fucking moron. How many "other hands" do you have? And don't talk down on someone's education in the same sentence that you showed you don't know the difference between "then" and "than." Go read a book.
 
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oziman:
Re: 2) I didn't know you'd served.
An uncle of mine who was in the IDF (failed aaliyah attempt heh) came back and is just bitter as all get out about it. Possibly my own attitude is the reversal of his, as he consistently talks about how they're scum when ever I see him (So glad he lives in Melbourne).
Re: 3) everyone feels the same way about underclasses in their home country though, that's why you DO need to pay attention to international affairs. i.e. We give the Aborigines a shit deal here in Aus, and most people are saying how they just mooch off welfare, but then you look at an international paper and see what it's really like.


Still, it's nice that mishboucha can agree to disagree on these things... That drink sounds like a good deal. Likewise if you come to Aus ;)
 
I'm a successful aliya, so far :-). Serving for so long definitely helped.

It's not an issue of underclass - it's more like a fifth column and a different country: Walk into East Jerusalem, and there are completely separate bus lines, everything is in Arabic. Same goes for Nazareth etc. Any Arab would have no problem riding a Jewish run bus - but the other way, forget about it.

I say 5th column b/c when people hang flags of Hizbullah, the PLO and Hamas outside their windows, you have to take them at their word that they want you dead.

It would be like a third of the US flying Nazi Flags and only speaking German from 1941-1945 - that's the best analogy I can think of right now.

How did this get started on WF anyway?

Hope to make it out to AU one day - they drive me a fair amount of sales - gotta love the weak dollar.
 
oziman said:
...Any Arab would have no problem riding a Jewish run bus - but the other way, forget about it.
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That says a lot.

oziman said:
...when people hang flags of Hizbullah, the PLO and Hamas outside their windows, you have to take them at their word that they want you dead.

It would be like a third of the US flying Nazi Flags and only speaking German from 1941-1945 - that's the best analogy I can think of right now.
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I think a better analogy would be the support for the IRA in Northern Ireland or ETA in Spain. People who see themselves as repressed will always be attracted to the extremist groups who they see as doing something about it.

While you might not agree with some of the tactics used I'm guessing over all you support your military - but I doubt that means you want to kill all Palestinians does it?
 
LazyHippy said:
That says a lot.



I think a better analogy would be the support for the IRA in Northern Ireland or ETA in Spain. People who see themselves as repressed will always be attracted to the extremist groups who they see as doing something about it.

While you might not agree with some of the tactics used I'm guessing over all you support your military - but I doubt that means you want to kill all Palestinians does it?
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Jews won't ride Arab buses b/c they're afraid, and Arabs aren't afraid of Arab buses, that's what I meant, and yes it does say alot.

Supporting the IRA or the Basques is supporting terrorism just the same as supporting Hamas or Hizbullah.

At the end of the day, you need to have a moral baseline. My moral compass does not include wholesale slaughter of women and children just b/c you're angry about something.

Do I want to kill all Palestinians? Absolutely not. Will I open fire if necessary on those who would do me harm? In less then a heartbeat. I pity anybody who wouldn't.
 
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Ben-Gurion and the Hebrew Resistance Movement carried out terrorist attacks against the British, where do you place them on your moral compass?
 
bitsdawg said:
And how are those refugees treated in those other countries? I do not think they are treated like welcome brothers at all.

Arab Treatment of Palestinians
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Interesting read. Not really that surprised that they were treated better by Saddam Hussein than by the "friendly" regimes in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but the differences between the treatment in Syria and Lebanon is surprising.
 
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LazyHippy said:
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
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Pretty much sums it up.
The news media of course is biased.
Western news media will focus on arab attrocities, but never make a peep about the jewish attrocities. And rightly so, who pays for the news media's budget, advertisers.

IRA is a case in point lots of news coverage about what they are up to.
Meanwhile not a peep about the various protestant terrorist organizations.
 
oziman said:
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Supporting the IRA or the Basques is supporting terrorism just the same as supporting Hamas or Hizbullah.
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It's true, having IRA sympathies, it's taboo. They're scumbags. They're political wing, Sinn Fein is basically communist, they have about 1% of the popular vote here. And any Irish Americans here who supported NORAID in the 70s-90s, you paid for bombs to blow up British civilians.
Have you ever seen people celebrating in the streets of Dublin after an IRA bomb like they do in Arab countries when they attack Israel? They've got no support.
 
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