The wars over
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Yes, the glory days. When we cold indiscriminately kill. Carpet bomb and all of the other fun stuff. If only we would have killed more civilians.
I never thought about it but this is true and somewhat hilarious at the same time.
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Yeah there's definitely not been indiscriminate killing in Iraq. Depleted uranium in particular is laser targeted.
oh wait. I forgot. well over a million iraqis have died in the twenty years we've been helping to free them. Probably more like two million. If only there was a word to describe this kind of mass killing of a particular group of people.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8"]Madeleine Albright - The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it for Iraq's non existent WMD's - YouTube[/ame]
We were already set to bring our troops out of Iraq by December 31st, 2011:
http://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
Essentially, Bush signed the agreement that required the U.S. to get out of Iraq by this deadline. I suspect we'd still be there for at least a few more years if Obama didn't feel he had to hour the agreement.
http://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/U.S.–Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
Essentially, Bush signed the agreement that required the U.S. to get out of Iraq by this deadline. I suspect we'd still be there for at least a few more years if Obama didn't feel he had to hour the agreement.
The comparison I was referring to was to WWII - 60,000,000 dead.
Your number is interesting but is not as a result of this war. Yes, you did say "over 20 years of us help to free them" - I think you, actually I know you can make a better argument than that. But it is not worth it in this thread.
The Iraqi leadership killed those people, not the US. The sanctions hurt but are you saying the Govt of Iraq could not have had humanitarian aid? Really? You think we just made certain they all died and offered their Govt no way out. Give me a break. The Govt of Iraq could have ended sanctions in a flash & with all of their oil made a great country - but no. They want to oppress, kill, and blame everyone else.
Those deaths are not on me. Albright is an idiot.
$10 he's fingering his ass right now waiting for a grilled cheese sandwich and watching debate reruns, Blackberry on vibrate and ignoring CIA calls.
dude obama pretty much went back on everything he promised in his pre-election promises.
Guantanmo bay still open
patriot act even more severe (TSA bullshit)
And countless others (which I would have been able to tell you off the top of my head if I was a US citizen and could be bothered to cite).
He's basically done everything a right wing republican president would have done.
Btw **all troops** never mean all troops, they're talking about removing all frontline troops, the US will still have plenty of bases all over the country to keep their interests safe, like OIL, and bases to keep Iran in check.
how about I give you this.
IRAQ WATER TREATMMENT VULNERABILITIES (U)
Indymedia UK - The American media and its reporting on Iraq
Cool war: Economic sanctions as a weapon of mass destruction, By Joy Gordon (Harper's Magazine)
Biological warfare and the people of Iraq
ZCommunications | Scylla And Charbydris by Dennis Halliday | ZNet Article
this we can agree on
No, you don't understand. Apparently these terrorists want to destroy us because we have "freedom" here in the US. They're like...jealous or something.
These "evil" people must be stopped...even if it means bankrupting the entire country and myself in the process.
You can question the means of carrying out a political strategy.
But you surely can't doubt the need for a political strategy to deal with Al Qaeda and terrorist groups who want to destroy the United States.
To claim that terrorism isn't real is naive.
I read the articles. But they do not discount my assertion that we would have released sanctions on cooperation, they did lose a war in which they were the aggressor and they surrendered. Iraq could also have avoided it all by participating in Oil for Food which was offered since 1991 - they only started using it in 1996. And yes it was very corrupt - Iraq could have made certain it was not though.
I am not saying the US is angelic. I personally feel the stance on DDT has killed tens if not hundreds of millions.
I am certain we also agree that April Glaspie is responsible in the first place.
The problem is, as pointed out in countless previous threads, the cost of 9/11 was $3-$5 trillion. Another 9/11 would have bankrupted us anyway. That is what they are trying to avoid. And before everyone chimes in - this has been covered in great detail in previous threads and I am not up for an argument tonight.
yeah sure maybe. The amount of sabotage that did take place makes me think not so much. Premeditatively bombing vital infrastructure, ransoming resources, then cockblocking food, medical, and equipment using red tape as an excuse while hundreds of thousands die. Well. Think what you will.
indeed. which makes me think even more that it was a deliberate mass kill.
edit: thanks for actually reading the links :thumbsup:
Can't wait for US to take over Pakistan, though. They actually are pulling all the strings, financing the terrorists, training them, providing intel etc.
They were interesting.
Contrary to popular belief, I am honestly interested in knowing the truth and know that I do not know everything. Always open to change my mind.
I doubt the wars will ever end...
2012 defense budget = $1.030–$1.415 trillion + Classified budget. (wikki)
Too much paper on the table to walk away.
2012 defense budget = $1.030–$1.415 trillion + Classified budget. (wikki)
Too much paper on the table to walk away.