This is scary

No, we agree on all of that. But like with your usual long and drawn out posts, most of what you talk about doesn't have any relevance to what we're arguing about.

Good.

What has relevance to what we're arguing about is that first statement. Having more terrorists would make it more dangerous, and more of a threat.

I know this... (I admitted to it many times... days ago) they're more Islamic terrorists in the world.... Pointing to any one Muslim and guessing that he's a terrorist is going to be wrong 99% of the time, however. Just as with a Christian 99.9% of the time.

The problem here is we look at .9% VERY differently.

Maybe one day you'll realize that that's all I'm arguing and you've been wrong all along in your assumptions that :

a) All religion is equally violent and evil.

and

b) I am a prejudiced bastard who thinks all Muslims are evil.

All religion isn't equally violent and evil.... how about that?

Christianity is .9% less violent than Islam...
 


The problem here is we look at .9% VERY differently.

Exactly. You look at it like a blinded fool.

0.1% of Christians = 2,100,000 people

1% of Muslims = 14,000,000 people

Going by the stats that you agreed on, while there are almost 1 BILLION more Christians, there is still 7 times as much Islamic violence with a difference of 12,000,000 people.

Does 700% more violent Muslims look nicer to you than 0.9%?

If you look at that and say "that doesn't matter, only the fact that they are both 99% peaceful matters", then you must be literally brain dead.

While I doubt there are 14 million Muslim terrorists and 2 million Christian terrorists, the scale of violence would still be somewhat accurate.
 
Exactly. You look at it like a blinded fool.

0.1% of Christians = 2,100,000 people

1% of Muslims = 14,000,000 people

Going by the stats that you agreed on, while there are almost 1 BILLION more Christians, there is still 7 times as much Islamic violence with a difference of 12,000,000 people.

Does 700% more violent Muslims look nicer to you than 0.9%?

If you look at that and say "that doesn't matter, only the fact that they are both 99% peaceful matters", then you must be literally brain dead.

While I doubt there are 14 million Muslim terrorists and 2 million Christian terrorists, the scale of violence would still be somewhat accurate.

There is 700% more Islamic violence than Christian violence.

Don't be Islamic.

Is this why you chose some other theology?
 
There is 700% more Islamic violence than Christian violence.

Don't be Islamic.

Is this why you chose some other theology?

Guess what. I get to mention that you're getting personal AGAIN, and that this is NOT what the debate has been about. You're literally having conversations with yourself debating everything that has been personal...I am not in that discussion at all (only to prove you wrong about it when you accuse me of saying things that I do not).

The only thing you can possibly be trying to do by making things personal every time is get me to slip up, so you can quote it and try to make me look like a fool. That's not going to happen, I'm not sure if you've realized that.
 
Guess what. I get to mention that you're getting personal AGAIN, and that this is NOT what the debate has been about. You're literally having conversations with yourself debating everything that has been personal...I am not in that discussion at all (only to prove you wrong about it when you accuse me of saying things that I do not).

The only thing you can possibly be trying to do by making things personal every time is get me to slip up, so you can quote it and try to make me look like a fool. That's not going to happen, I'm not sure if you've realized that.

We agree: I'll say it again, there is 700% more Islamic violence than Christian violence. (while at the same time 99% of both of them are peaceful.)

Don't be Islamic.

I choose not to believe either Christianity or Islam. I don't have to worry about becoming an Islamic extremist, Christian extremist or any other religious extremist.

I'm pretty confident I'm not going to become a eugenicist, extreme Darwinist, extreme evolutionist.

I just have to worry about extremely not believing.

I have nothing to worry about. :)
 
i dont think i have ever seen the word "quote" so much in my life...

Arguing over the internet -much less, a forum- is hard. It's the only way to communicate (quoting).

This entire thread would have probably taken me 10 minutes to vocally argue. I've brought up the same point 100 times and 100 times it's been twisted and thrown back in my face. In real life I would have just said "wtf..." and walked away.

But when I'm waiting for shit to upload and have nothing better to do, I enjoy a spirited argument (pun intended?). This hasn't been much of an argument though.
 
And that's great, but this isn't about your worries. Or my worries. It is about the current state of the world, and the facts. You're just talking to yourself.

{[-wtf moment #101-]}

You keep responding... I'm talking to you.

We agree that there is 700% more Islamic violence in the world than Christian violence. (I agree, constantly)

I have nothing at all to worry about. :)

Except for all the religious nutcases in the world. Christian and Muslim alike.

I don't, for the most part, have to worry about the other 99% though.
 
hahahaha

dunzo.

I don't know why you didn't take my first three admissions that there are more Islamic extremists than Christian extremists.

Bottom of post here. I've admitted it since the 13th....

It doesn't change the fact that 99% of one and 99.9% of another is peaceful...

But still... Islam is 700% more violent than Christianity. Don't use that to judge a Muslim, though. You'll be wrong.
 
Exactly. You look at it like a blinded fool.

0.1% of Christians = 2,100,000 people

1% of Muslims = 14,000,000 people

Going by the stats that you agreed on, while there are almost 1 BILLION more Christians, there is still 7 times as much Islamic violence with a difference of 12,000,000 people.

Does 700% more violent Muslims look nicer to you than 0.9%?
So what's the point your trying to make? That muslims are more violent then christians? Ok big deal, majority or muslims are in the middle east where its tough growing up and almost every country is in turmoil. Majority of Christians are where? In American and Europe where there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Well no shit muslims are going to be more violent, what the hell is your point. I dont understand your basis of argument. There has been plenty of christian terrorism as well, Timothy Mcveigh, James Earl Ray, Jim Marrs. So on and so fourth, I dont get your basis of your argument
 
I dont get your basis of your argument

That's because you haven't read the entire thread. Or else you would understand the basis.

Arbiter made his point that Islam and Christianity were equally violent and evil. I disagreed with that and so did other members, and we proved why. Everything other than that has not been called on by myself, Arbiter has been the one making it personal.

Ok big deal, majority or muslims are in the middle east where its tough growing up and almost every country is in turmoil.

Yes, and one of the major reasons they are in turmoil is because of the religious extremism that exists over there.

Thankfully every other religion hasn't been has violent as Islam unfortunately has been. It's not to say that every other religion has it's violent extremists. And it's not to say that any Muslim is evil. Most aren't. But to say Christianity is as violent as Islam is incorrect. Hence the basis for the argument.
 
That's because you haven't read the entire thread. Or else you would understand the basis.

Arbiter made his point that Islam and Christianity were equally violent and evil. I disagreed with that and so did other members, and we proved why. Everything other than that has not been called on by myself, Arbiter has been the one making it personal.

Instead of saying they were equally violent, I should have said they are equally untrue and silly to fight over (and both at least 99% peaceful).

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Islam and Christianity are 99% similar in the level of peace that they have. Others want to point at the 1% and use that as a way to judge the whole.
 
I found an incredibly interesting article to read....

Bangor Daily News - 11/14/09

Extremism goes beyond religion

Here's some interesting excerpts...

"Of all the charges levied against religion in general, none sticks more than the accusation that it foments violence. U.S. Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan provided an all too vivid reminder of that last week, when he killed 13 of his fellow soldiers in a horrific shooting spree at Fort Hood. Hasan is a Muslim, and though he appears to have acted on his own and without any real intent of making a specific political or religious statement, it seems quite clear that his religion played a part in motivating his actions.

Events such as this raise difficult questions about the connection between violence and religion, while offering very little in the way of solutions.

Hasan’s is an isolated case, and, to a very real extent, it has no meaning. To try to extract traditional lessons from Hasan’s actions likely would prove futile, just as previous shooting sprees carried out by disturbed individuals provided no easy morals."

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"Muslims everywhere must have felt a pang of misery when it became clear Hasan’s religion was so clearly a motivating factor."

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"But it would be too easy for people of other religions to view religiously motivated violence as merely an “Islam problem.” Too often I have heard Christians argue that Islam is an inherently violent religion compared with other world religions, specifically Christianity. This simply isn’t the case, and such claims ignore the fact that while there may be a relatively large number of Muslim extremists right now, it is still very, very small compared to the larger Muslim population."

.......
"The vast majority of Muslims are every bit as peaceable as the vast majority of Christians, and that’s even more true if we’re comparing American Muslims to American Christians. Wouldn’t it be odd for an innately violent religion to produce so many perfectly nice people?"

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"No, the abnormally large slice of extremism that the Muslim community must deal with now has been faced by virtually every other religion at various points in their histories. Indeed, though a smaller section of the community, Christian extremists exist. After all, it was just this past spring that anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder shot George Tiller to death at his church. The existence of Christians like Roeder no more makes Christianity an inherently violent religion than does the existence of Hasan make Islam one."

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"The results of the study indicated that those who believed the story came from the Bible were more aggressive than those who believed it was extra-biblical, and those who believed that God explicitly sanctioned the war were more aggressive still. While this was true of both Christians and non-Christians alike, the effect was more pronounced for Christians."

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"So what are the religious to do when someone claims that religion promotes violence? Surely we can’t be held responsible for the Nidal Malik Hasans and Scott Roeders of the world. Were we to somehow do the impossible and purge the world of all religion, various other ideologies would remain, be they cultural or political. And extremism is something any ideology can foment. Just as it would be wrong to view extremism as purely an “Islam problem,” it likewise would be wrong to view it as purely a “religion problem.”" (atheists are still in the same boat....like I said)-----------

This guy makes so many of the same points that I tried to get across in this thread.

If we just left it at Islam is dangerous none of these points would have been made.

Here's the article again.