This Is What You Retards Voted For - Own It



We're in a recession that's global -- a recession the "free markets" likely caused. (And to state the obvious, a laissez faire union has never existed... hence the quotes.)

We've seen the third world level the playing field via the net/spread of our system of governance. (It's not just China, ladies and gentlemen... Brazil and India are both poised to compete.)

Take away the biggest blue states in this country (I mean their economies) and the USA is Eastern Fucking Europe at best. Look, I'm not even politically affiliated, but let's be honest; if you take away the North East and CA/WA this country pretty much grows tobacco and puts together Japanese cars. Outside of TX does anything even happen in much of the red states? Corn? Is corn grown? That's what they do?

Blaming Obama for falling private wages during this recession is no different than blaming Bush for 9/11.
 
hellblazer said:
I see you're a liberal who can't bring himself to be honest about your colossal mistake. And you're totally wrong. About 55-70% of the Republicans are capitalist patriots, versus 100% socialist scumbags in the Dem Party. McCain shouldn't even be in the Republican Party, hopefully we get his socialist-lite ass out of the Senate. The Repubs are halfway corrupted, but the Democrat Party is pure fucking evil, their radical leftist leader is turning the U.S. into a Third World nation, and YOU'RE trying to whitewash your egregious vote by deflecting the blame from your socialist boy. Totally unacceptable.
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I can't count how many times you've falsely accused others like this, but calm down, I'm not a liberal. I didn't vote for Obama.

Let's try talking about the bigger issue shall we? Why were the same companies heavily funding the campaigns of both McCain and Obama? Why are corporations now outspending both parties in lobbying, grassroots and advertising?

Perhaps its the richest (the corporations) and their influence over people (through entertainment, advertisements, etc) that this big evil agenda, of which you are so well aware of, originates. They're the ones that own the main stream media, which perpetrates primarily one sided (one party) arguments, not the gullible people.

You seem so bitter over the failures and persecution of the conservatives your only instinctive reaction is to blame, charge, and name-call everyone who voted for Obama for every bad move the Government has made since the last election.

Look, America is fucking up. Everyone is aware of this now. We fucked up with Obama, but we fucked up Bush too. I don't care about nor vote for either. Neither show any concern over corporate interests' influence over America and its people, and thus appear as corrupted puppets of those powers.
 
ericchristopher said:
We're in a recession that's global -- a recession the "free markets" likely caused. (And to state the obvious, a laissez faire union has never existed... hence the quotes.)
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In the 1990s, Bill Clinton embarked on a mission to increase home ownership for lower income Americans. The way the government helped this cause was by controlling interest rates(making it easier for banks to give out more risky home loans) and offering rebates for homebuyers. They essentially used their policymaking ability to increase the ease with which one could get a loan for a home, and the people they were helping purchase a home would be the same people who later would be unable to pay for it.
These manipulations brought the demand for housing up, which made prices go up. Investors/speculators were initially attracted to the easy loans, and later by the perception that you "couldn't lose money in housing" - a belief that was legitimized by the artificial increase in demand over such a long period of time. Simply by putting your money into a housing it could (in theory) earn more than it could sitting in a bank...reliably. But this was just an effect of the artificially inflated market, it wasn't really secure.
Banks looking at a loan application for a house saw it in terms of "the housing market keeps going up, so the house will be worth more in the future. If they default we can get our money back from selling it." This idea made it seem low risk(remember when real estate was the 'safe' place for money?) so the insurance terms were unrealistically lax.

When people started to actually default and brought the supply of houses up, their worth went down. The banks backup plan (foreclosing/selling the houses) was now not enough to reclaim their money in many cases. The rest is chain reactions and history.

The collapse was far from being caused a free market...the environment that caused the collapse was not only an effect of our government's policy, but an intentional one. They just didn't see the "burst" of their manufactured economic bubble would be.
 
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Sorry eric - forgive me but you bring up the usual liberal myths that have enabled them to keep raping the country's productive people to keep buying votes.

ericchristopher said:
We're in a recession that's global -- a recession the "free markets" likely caused.
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First of all, if you actually think that free markets are the cause of recessions, I will leave that to everybody else here to correct you on, because it is so far out in space.

The current European depression, and probable end of the Euro, is due to the collapse of the European welfare state model. They have debt. The Germans are tired of paying for everybody's 10-2 workday with an 11-1 Siesta.

However like all Liberal/Socialist models, there are plenty of people who will vote for Communism if they're on the receiving end. As we know ourselves with our own Debt/GNP ratio closely approaching Portugal and Greece.

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We've seen the third world level the playing field via the net/spread of our system of governance. (It's not just China, ladies and gentlemen... Brazil and India are both poised to compete.)
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True. However that's a pro-business and capitalism comment that doesn't gybe with your others.

ericchristopher said:
Take away the biggest blue states in this country (I mean their economies) and the USA is Eastern Fucking Europe at best. Look, I'm not even politically affiliated, but let's be honest; if you take away the North East and CA/WA this country pretty much grows tobacco and puts together Japanese cars. Outside of TX does anything even happen in much of the red states? Corn? Is corn grown? That's what they do?
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Eric the financial solvency of states is almost directly related to their politics.

This map shows the level of financial insolvency by state. Forget the Kansas part.

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And here are states ranked by how much they hated Bush:


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Red States are economically supporting not only themselves but the bankrupt Blue states. And without the manufacturing and businesses powerhouses of Calif. and NY. We have Red states to thank for keeping the rest of our smug, Blue Commie asses out of Chinese foreclosure.

I don't blame you for calling Red States "Eastern Europe" because that's the basis of sanctimonius, holier-than-thou liberalism. We all grew up thinking that was the cool way to be. The notion that anyone who has American values is a redneck, such as when you say:

ericchristopher said:
Corn? Is corn grown? That's what they do??
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Eric I agree that productivity is higher in those blue states. But so are numbers of Democrats. And the way Democrats stay in business, just like Unions, is by taking money out of your paycheck to:

1. Find young or impressionable people.
2. Tell them what victims they are.
3. Offer them free money, like healthcare or welfare. Your money BTW.
4. Make those damn greedy business people pay for it all. That's you.
5. If the business people object, call them greedy. And racists.. yeah they're racists because they're keeping all that money.
6. Watch the votes come rolling in. From Blue states.
 
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Hellblazer, your namecalling is ridiculous and isn't going to convince anyone. I am not saying Obama is perfect, but this admin has lowered taxes for most people, expanded gun rights, and basically is in the process of righting some of the shit that has been going on for the last few decades. He is hardly a communist.

I am a Dem and I am tired of the big spenders of both parties. But I am hardly going to vote for the party of "family values" that want to control how I live my private life. (And then most end up being exactly what they rant against anyway.)

Look, find me a candidate that believes in social freedom along with fiscal responsibility and I am all there. Until then, quit the whining.
 
Air2air and Xmcp123... great responses. (I can take may licks.)

I need to run out, but I will address each of them. Again, both are well thought out. I will reply.
 
xmcp123 said:
Horse shit hellblazer. The liberals are bad on spending, and several of the trends they have are unsustainable. Many of their pet programs need to be cut or eliminated.
But claiming that 55%-75% of the Republicans are capitalist patriots is delusional. They don't mind taking your money, they don't mind spending their money, they just want to spend it for different things...like random wars. All dollars were equal, so how about we start realizing all spending is equal as well? They also certainly don't mind invading your privacy, forcing their religious beliefs down your throat, restricting the rights of citizens, or doing any number of things that are completely incompatible with "freedom" and the ideas our country is supposed to be protecting.
But economically: You couldn't get back to a surplus by cutting all our military spending OR all our social programs. You have to cut both. A lot. Republicans don't get this.

They also aren't capitalist, they're corporatist. They don't believe in competition and the benefits a healthy marketplace can grant us. They would rather insulate companies from risk ($75 million BP cap anyone?), pass them dirty contracts, and support them with extensive protections that isolate them and serve to demolish the benefits of a competitive marketplace just as effectively as the laws the Democrats pass.
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sendlo said:
He is hardly a communist.
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In fact, Obama's takeover and nationalization of the country's three primary industries; Auto, Banking and Healthcare - was greater on a percentage basis than either Castro or Chavez moved in their terms. One third of the economy was nationalized in a year.

sendlo said:
I am hardly going to vote for the party of "family values" that want to control how I live my private life. (And then most end up being exactly what they rant against anyway.)
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Prop 8 (Gay marriage) was passed in California by primarily Dem voters; Catholic Latinos and Blacks - as well as Republican Mormons.

Social conservatives are a minority within the republican party, and will never get the popularity needed to pass their crap. That is a completely different issue from what this thread is discussing; the much more serious issue of turning this country into Cuba.


sendlo said:
Look, find me a candidate that believes in social freedom along with fiscal responsibility and I am all there. Until then, quit the whining.
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We would all agree there, and it would be nice to be able to choose your doctor, treatment and provider after 2014.
 
tangy said:
I'm not sure how you're blaming those that voted for Obama for this mess as this entire economic catastrophe formed under the Bush administration and was in full swing when Obama was elected President.

I'm Canadian though, so I may be missing what you're getting at here. Are you saying that if McCain had been elected President he wouldn't have enabled the 8 million people that lost their jobs under the Bush administration to receive government benefits, thereby putting them on the streets, starving to death?

Please clarify.
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So, I guess the liberal "HATE BUSH" propaganda movement worked even on the Canadians?

You do realize that the Democrats have ran congress and the government now for 4 years...right?

I love to ask the "hate bush" internet kids why they hate bush so much? None of them can give an intelligent answer. All they know is that they hate bush. I will give props to the propaganda abilities of the facist left.
 
popeye said:
So, I guess the liberal "HATE BUSH" propaganda movement worked even on the Canadians?

You do realize that the Democrats have ran congress and the government now for 4 years...right?

I love to ask the "hate bush" internet kids why they hate bush so much? None of them can give an intelligent answer. All they know is that they hate bush. I will give props to the propaganda abilities of the facist left.
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Yeah Popeye I saw that one too but was just too amazed to even bother to reply.

And no, tangy, Republicans didn't like McCain either. That election was a foregone conclusion.
 
Air2air said:
Social conservatives are a minority within the republican party, and will never get the popularity needed to pass their crap. That is a completely different issue from what this thread is discussing; the much more serious issue of turning this country into Cuba.
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Social conservatives are the foundation of the Republican party...both in voters and in their senators/representatives. Why do you think the rumors of McCain's black baby were so effective in the primary against Dubya? Those rumors were targetted at the old Dixiecrat demographic...which votes solidly Republican now and makes up a lot of their socially conservative base in the south.
The only reason their issues never get passed is because the Republicans get their votes no matter what... Same as the Progressives within the Democratic party.
If you're a reliable vote, the party has no reason to spend political capital on you.
 
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