Throwing down the gauntlet...

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MyOwnDemon said:
If wickedfire starts charging a monthly membership fee, a lot of the loyal members will bail.
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I don't think we have to worry about that. Jon has made it clear on many occasions that the forum will always be free and not a paid one. Personally, I don't believe that paid forums are any better than free ones. The few that I bothered to pay for really sucked ass big time, and I managed to get my ass banned from them too, so that didn't help. :anon.sml:
 


LazyHippy said:
I completely disagree, I think that is the elitist attitude Mike referred to.

You will always know more than someone about something and someone else will always know more than you about some other thing.

Nice post, Mike.
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Ha Ha Ha, you could not be more wrong! I think you missed my point.
 
Even if Jon charged a monthy fee of $1.00 it would weed out many of the fags, freeloaders and random jackasses. Maybe this isnt the answer, all I know is that this place took a major nose dive since its launch. I dont think anyone that was here on launch and in the early months would disagree with me. I would also like to see some level of quality returned as far as post content goes. Like I said I dont care if its some kid that just got started yesterday looking for help on how to copy and paste affiliate links into his or her page... thats better than, daaah how do I build a website like myspace, or ahhh I want a free ride how do I make $1500 a week working one hour per day.... You know what Im saying? It has nothing to do with newbs and more to do with common sense.

But then again this is an open forum on the net and you will have that, which is why I suggested even paying a small fee per month, but that would create another set of problems, so what do you do? Make a post that isnt going to make a difference to begin with like this one or just move on and accept the fact that shit happens? charge a membership fee? who the fuck knows....
 
jerxs said:
Ha Ha Ha, you could not be more wrong! I think you missed my point.
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Reading your last post, I think I did - sorry.

I still don't think paying for membership is this answer at all. The great thing about free public forums is they are such a useful source of information for everyone. I often find answers to questions on all sorts of forums that I'm not a member of and will probably only visit once a year or so, let alone pay to join them.

Free to read, pay to post wouldn't work and it would be a great shame if Wickedfire stopped coming up in Google as the answer to someone's question.
 
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jerxs said:
I dont give a shit about newbs asking dumb questions, for christ sake I dont know shit and could be considered newb to allot of people, but what I cant stand are these fucking cum dumpsters that come off with shit like, I want something for nothing, like the shit bag that posted the other night in Traffic is supreme. I dont want to do SEO and I dont want to spend money , how can I get to the top or some shit!

If your a newb and ask a common sense question well than fine, but if your a newb and come off with dumb shit like, how do I build a website or how do I make $1000 per week, or better yet how do I rank without spending money, time or doing seo, well then yes your going to get flamed.

99% of you really dont know me, but I have and will take my time to help a person that needs it. What really bothers me is we are getting allot of shit bags looking to get something for nothing.

If you come off asking, how do i create hanging lists using CSS, or Ive tryed this seo technique and that and have not seen any results can I get some suggestions, well than fine, but this place has seen a steady decline in post quality and I dont mean just people posting that already know, from the people that dont know. We are letting to many retards in, i think this forum should go paid based on subscription, that would weed out allot of the Bs and keep things on the up and up on all levels, even if it were $10 per month or whatever.

I really love this forum though lately every time I come here I get worked up over some dumb shit and dont post or make an angry post, which makes myself look like a dick!
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I agree with a lot of this, and I think most of those posts are made by trolls.

However, the thing that is limiting is the whole super secret niche thing. It creates an element of distrust. It's not that I want to know other people's niches, but for some reason I hold back from asking some questions because I'd have to get specific and have people look at pages on my site.

Normally, I wouldn't think twice about that. But here it seems like I should be freaked out about oversharing like that. And dammit....I need help sometimes!
 
Newbies (less than 20 posts) should be redirected to the list of newbie questions EVERY time they click the "new thread" button. (And at the end of the list there is ofcourse a "skip" button)

From then on, if ANYONE makes a thread about ANY of those newbie questions already discussed they get banned.
 
jerxs said:
Even if Jon charged a monthy fee of $1.00 it would weed out many of the fags, freeloaders and random jackasses. Maybe this isnt the answer, all I know is that this place took a major nose dive since its launch. I dont think anyone that was here on launch and in the early months would disagree with me. I would also like to see some level of quality returned as far as post content goes. Like I said I dont care if its some kid that just got started yesterday looking for help on how to copy and paste affiliate links into his or her page... thats better than, daaah how do I build a website like myspace, or ahhh I want a free ride how do I make $1500 a week working one hour per day.... You know what Im saying? It has nothing to do with newbs and more to do with common sense.

But then again this is an open forum on the net and you will have that, which is why I suggested even paying a small fee per month, but that would create another set of problems, so what do you do? Make a post that isnt going to make a difference to begin with like this one or just move on and accept the fact that shit happens? charge a membership fee? who the fuck knows....
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Maybe you just thought it was great from day one, but it takes time for a forum to get to the point where it is worth a shit, management must set the tone, bad management can ruin a good forum by allowing trolls, spammers and gangs of assholes who support each other via reputation and propaganda take hold.

This is exactly what happened on DP, gangs of losers, propagandists and spammers took over the forum and Shawn just sat back and watched in the name of post counts and traffic numbers.

Now we hear of "the reorganization" after 3 years of rep abuse and now today blatant self promotion and spamming, selling signature links, pimping link farms in the directory forums and so on.

So it is really up to management to weed out assholes before they become the core of your forum and that takes time and effort guys and gals, it also takes wisdom and vision and the balls to enforce that vision you have for your forum.

Monthly fees will not take care of this, great managers will.
 
It was worth reading all 3 pages of this thread.

I am learning PHP and i was about to start to make personal notes because sometimes i forget certain syntax etc. So what i can do is start a PHP thread in the programming section or something and if it gets good could a mod Sticky it so it gets some coverage? I will post my personal notes as i go or something like that.


A lot of people wanted to start learning PHP the past while, and i could start a case study or learning study on it as i learn as well. i think it would contribute a lot and feed out a few of the questions.
 
sp111 said:
It was worth reading all 3 pages of this thread.

I am learning PHP and i was about to start to make personal notes because sometimes i forget certain syntax etc. So what i can do is start a PHP thread in the programming section or something and if it gets good could a mod Sticky it so it gets some coverage? I will post my personal notes as i go or something like that.


A lot of people wanted to start learning PHP the past while, and i could start a case study or learning study on it as i learn as well. i think it would contribute a lot and feed out a few of the questions.
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Well I'm not a PHP expert but I'm a ASP.NET 2.0 expert who has over the past 2 months adapted quite easily over to PHP, so I think starting this thread is a really good idea, I consider myself to know then most when it comes to PHP just because I've seen how slow people can be with programming but start it up and I'll help out in that thread as much as I can.......We need to add more value to that section anyway.
 
yeah i have a couple of cool php classes i have been working that would be pretty helpful for n00bs. i have only been scripting php for a couple of months, but i already have some tools developed that help me a ton.

for example, i have a pretty simple mysql class that i will post, it isn't too complicated but it makes reading/writing from your db a snap. def could be improved on a lot, i would love to hear some suggestions.
 
lucab said:
for example, i have a pretty simple mysql class that i will post, it isn't too complicated but it makes reading/writing from your db a snap. def could be improved on a lot, i would love to hear some suggestions.
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Why use this since php provides mysqli with OOP bindings?
 
Alright, i will get to work and i will start the thread in a few days. Ya Aequitas, we should definatly work on this together. I am also in good shape with ASP.net 2.0 using C#. so we can choose a route and go with it.

I have a lot of programming experience with class work and problems and stuff and I can find some excercises and stuff for the noobs to do hahah this sounds fun.
 
I would really like to go the PHP route and possibly black hat case studies. Just a thought.
 
sp111 said:
Alright, i will get to work and i will start the thread in a few days. Ya Aequitas, we should definatly work on this together. I am also in good shape with ASP.net 2.0 using C#. so we can choose a route and go with it.

I have a lot of programming experience with class work and problems and stuff and I can find some excercises and stuff for the noobs to do hahah this sounds fun.
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haha that works out good because I use VBSCRIPT and not C#, we can provide both sides of the equation.
 
my .02 -

been lurking the last month or two - learning, reading, starting to try some stuff - not familiar with DP, or SP or whatever.

I appreciate the open and honest communication members offer and also realize everyone here (pretty much) is running a business - such a circumstance is pretty unusual in the business world - the other guy always wants to eat your lunch.

That said - free forums are great - personally I would pay for this forum - but not until reading the posts and understanding the breadth of information contained here.

One thing that keeps newbs out - or fleshes them out - is posting good information in plain site - what I mean by that is when I first started here - the terms and such were pretty overwhelming - but after reading, reading, reading - it slowly starts to make sense.

Much the same way that scripts being posted and such will really only be used by those that know how to implement - the information here is the same.

How do you get rid of noobs asking questions? Don't answer them. .. .
 
Though said better by Mike, I think this was requested months ago! Please tell me you guys aren't running around in circles the past few months!

My similar request from members.

N00bs should certainly learn how to use the "search" option before posting!
 
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