Undergrad business majors are retards, news at 11

At the end of the day a business degree still looks better than a lot of other degrees on paper... and will help get you in the door.

Engineering and computer science are by far the toughest degrees in my opinion.
 


I always don't understand people going to college to learn business. Who gonna teach you that? professor? so why he himself won't open company/business and will be boss making money, BUT instead teaching you for salary?

College is must for lawers, doctors, etc where you master skills in particular trade... But nobody will teach you how to make money except yourself.
 
I always don't understand people going to college to learn business. Who gonna teach you that? professor? so why he himself won't open company/business and will be boss making money, BUT instead teaching you for salary?

College is must for lawers, doctors, etc where you master skills in particular trade... But nobody will teach you how to make money except yourself.

Well not every faculty of a business degree is entrepreneurship... there's accounting, finance, economics, human resources, law, ethics, marketing, etc.

I think too often people equate a business degree with entrepreneurial studies, but usually only a tiny fragment of the degree is dedicated to that.
 
I always don't understand people going to college to learn business. Who gonna teach you that? professor? so why he himself won't open company/business and will be boss making money, BUT instead teaching you for salary?

College is must for lawers, doctors, etc where you master skills in particular trade... But nobody will teach you how to make money except yourself.

A lot of the best business schools actually get successful entrepreneurs to come in and teach a class 1 semester so they are actually useful.
 
Apparently no one in this thread or in that article went to a real business school. I won't disagree with the idea that 90% of people in any college are complete fucking retards, but if you go to a program anywhere in the top 10, you will get your butt hole pounded on a regular basis. Most of what they teach you is how to deal with other people who you hate, by forcing you to deliver 100 page projects full of math while relying on and managing your group members.

Any legit school is going to have people from industry teach most of the classes. Sure you're going to have foreign grad students teach technical labs because no one else remembers the math. Hell some of the people in the entrepreneurship program where millionaires. There were virtually no friday classes, at least at the upper level, because almost all the professors did consulting on personal projects on the weekend.

A lot of the curriculum is designed to prep you for the corporate world, how to each shit sandwiches, etc. but if you're looking to make money on your own you go through an entrepreneurship program, probably with a minor in finance, not a general business degree or marketing major. In my school virtually everyone got jobs and that was at the worst of the internet crash, and they averaged higher salaries than the rest of the school.

Even shitty schools with low workloads can have their place. If you are starting a business while in business school (which fucking everyone should do) you don't have time to go to study 40 hours per week. Your professors become advisers more than anything else. Hell I had 2 professors give me an entire office to start a dotcom for a summer. When we couldn't figure shit out they'd tell us what to do next.
 
I'd say business is mid tier difficulty, Marketing and and general business is easy, but finance and accounting can be pretty difficult (time consuming), also difficulty depends on the school as well. The thing about business is anyone can start a business as you don't need a degree, but not everyone can just start working as an physicist (need a degree).
 
At the end of the day a business degree still looks better than a lot of other degrees on paper... and will help get you in the door.

Engineering and computer science are by far the toughest degrees in my opinion.

Agree with that - I did Real Time Systems and it was a killer.

It's actually helped me a lot with business. The fundamentals of systems design and engineering are the same whether it's for an airplane, an organisation or a marketing campaign.
 
This isn't that surprising honestly. As anyone who's gone through an engineering degree in undergrad knows you and all your colleagues will typically look down on the business degree folks as those trying to take it easy and mostly just have something that's not challenging to fill the space between their alcohol induced blackouts.
Don't worry, business folks look down on you too.
 
I just finished my Bachelors in Marketing & Management. I had always assumed that the stupidity of my fellow classmates was due to their age and lack of real world experience, but I guess it's pretty common in that field. I worked in management in the auto-industry for 8 years and I've been doing full time Internet Marketing for 2 1/2 years and I could never get over how little the students and professors knew about the way shit really works in the real world. I only went back to finish the degree because I had started it years ago and didn't have many credits left, but I have to admit I was very disappointed in what passes for proficiency in those fields.

Similar situation. Been in the auto biz for ~6 years, IM ~2 years. Currently in my final year for my Management Bachelors.

When it comes to business, lets get real - It's not the degree, but the individual. I'm going to college because it is a goal of mine to get my degree, not for the potential salary I may get. It also provides credibility as a professional.
 
Log into Blackboard this morning and one of my professors had posted this article, lol.
 
What accounts for those gaps? Dr. Arum and Dr. Roksa point to sheer time on task. Gains on the C.L.A. closely parallel the amount of time students reported spending on homework. Another explanation is the heavy prevalence of group assignments in business courses: the more time students spent studying in groups, the weaker their gains in the kinds of skills the C.L.A. measures.

this is good to hear, lol. considering i study marketing/business everyday by myself. :rasta:
 
Apparently no one in this thread or in that article went to a real business school. I won't disagree with the idea that 90% of people in any college are complete fucking retards, but if you go to a program anywhere in the top 10, you will get your butt hole pounded on a regular basis. Most of what they teach you is how to deal with other people who you hate, by forcing you to deliver 100 page projects full of math while relying on and managing your group members.

Any legit school is going to have people from industry teach most of the classes. Sure you're going to have foreign grad students teach technical labs because no one else remembers the math. Hell some of the people in the entrepreneurship program where millionaires. There were virtually no friday classes, at least at the upper level, because almost all the professors did consulting on personal projects on the weekend.

A lot of the curriculum is designed to prep you for the corporate world, how to each shit sandwiches, etc. but if you're looking to make money on your own you go through an entrepreneurship program, probably with a minor in finance, not a general business degree or marketing major. In my school virtually everyone got jobs and that was at the worst of the internet crash, and they averaged higher salaries than the rest of the school.

Even shitty schools with low workloads can have their place. If you are starting a business while in business school (which fucking everyone should do) you don't have time to go to study 40 hours per week. Your professors become advisers more than anything else. Hell I had 2 professors give me an entire office to start a dotcom for a summer. When we couldn't figure shit out they'd tell us what to do next.

It's good to hear a positive experience from someone on this it sounds like business school for you was a very useful thing do you mind saying where you went?

I'm considering getting an MBA from a top 10 rated Entrepreneur program myself (U Texas) and an experience like that one is what I'd be looking for. Teachers with experience who function as mentors connections with venture capitalists and colleagues who are interested in startups.
 
Apparently no one in this thread or in that article went to a real business school. I won't disagree with the idea that 90% of people in any college are complete fucking retards, but if you go to a program anywhere in the top 10, you will get your butt hole pounded on a regular basis. Most of what they teach you is how to deal with other people who you hate, by forcing you to deliver 100 page projects full of math while relying on and managing your group members.

Any legit school is going to have people from industry teach most of the classes. Sure you're going to have foreign grad students teach technical labs because no one else remembers the math. Hell some of the people in the entrepreneurship program where millionaires. There were virtually no friday classes, at least at the upper level, because almost all the professors did consulting on personal projects on the weekend.

A lot of the curriculum is designed to prep you for the corporate world, how to each shit sandwiches, etc. but if you're looking to make money on your own you go through an entrepreneurship program, probably with a minor in finance, not a general business degree or marketing major. In my school virtually everyone got jobs and that was at the worst of the internet crash, and they averaged higher salaries than the rest of the school.

Even shitty schools with low workloads can have their place. If you are starting a business while in business school (which fucking everyone should do) you don't have time to go to study 40 hours per week. Your professors become advisers more than anything else. Hell I had 2 professors give me an entire office to start a dotcom for a summer. When we couldn't figure shit out they'd tell us what to do next.

I've been to a real Business school. I'm going to 100 percent agree that most general business programs are a total joke. My cousin got one from an unrecognized program and wound up the manager of a Picadilly. My sister got one that was marginally better from a bit school in Texas that is not known for business and struggled to put it to use.

I got my combination business and engineering degree from the University of Texas and walked right into the (then) Big 5 as a Business Process Risk Consultant with a nice starting salary and plenty of benefits. The quality and recognition of a business program depends heavily on the program.

UT is in the top 10 nationwide for graduate and undergraduate programs. It wasn't an easy program, and companies recognize that. Excluding some of the management people, every person I know got an excellent job at the height of the dot.com burst and many were already eying their own business ideas as you said. Case studies, intense business law, some of the most recognized finance programs, etc versus some flimsy theories of business you might get somewhere else. I'd recommend UT Business in a heartbeat over almost any other program at UT or 95 percent of business programs.
 
ya, this has to be true. i just wish i knew my shit before i selected my major in business. majored in finance and economics and what i learned was extremely generic (on the finance side of things). maybe 3 finance related classes total composed the finance major. when i was 18/19 i thought business majors get business jobs and physics majors get jobs in physics. if i could turn back the clock i would major in physics or something tough and more rigorous than a BA finance degree.
 
I'm not surprised by this at all. A couple of my friends are in college for business degrees and I can honestly make a valid assessment that they aren't going to go anywhere but middle management - if that. The most common problem I see is that students believe that just because they have a degree it means they are eligible for any job. I can't entirely blame students though, it's what they are being brainwashed to believe is best for them.

My friend and I are both going to a top 10 business school in my region for the same exact major - International business with a minor in marketing. However, I guarantee you we will take two very separate paths. I'm taking three language classes this semester, as well as macro economics, corporate finance and Business Law IV. My friend is taking two English classes, a basic math class, accounting 101, and one other bullshit class.

The point being this article identifies the underlying issue with business undergrad students: The entire system is fucked up.
 
I think bachelors degree is the new high school degree.
I used to work for WAMU and just checked bachelor degree on the application; no one cared to ask(I just had one year under my belt at that time). Its a much better salary and gives you a chance to grow higher in the long run.
I know people with general four year degrees making $14-16 an hour. Most max out at about $25-30. Pretty sad.
 
A few of you engineering majors might get a chuckle from this:


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