Virginia Tech shooting

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Most criminals have prior convictions so they aren't getting guns legally anyway. Psych tests and all the other crap proposed just gives the honest gun owner more hoops to jump through to defend themselves.

Just look at Britain and Australia. They banned guns and murders are up (although now with things like knives, bats, etc.) rapes are up, assaults are up, thefts are up.

Free people can be armed, if you can't be then you're not free.

Guns stop way more crimes than they cause every year.

People just need to use common sense. My pistol is secured in a quick access pistol safe next to my bed. I can get at in seconds but children or bad guys can't access it. Just common sense like that will prevent most accidents as well as following basic gun safety rules.

As far as the state not requiring a background check- the Feds already require it so it's getting done regardless. Some states have another background check done but they've been shown to simply generate more revenue for the government without any real decline in crime. My state requires one and it was just a bunch of paperwork and fees as well as an invasion of privacy.

Look at Vermont- no permits required to carry concealed and some of the lowest crime in the entire US.

If the kids or professors on that campus could carry legally then someone may have stopped the bastard before he killed so many.

Thanks to "gun free school zones" mass murderers can be sure their targets are unarmed...it's a tragedy.
 


Looks like there's a lot of different interpretations, or people interpreting it there own way, for there own ends.

The arms manufactures would hate any control - it would mean they'd have to export more to Zimbabwe, Burma, etc. I'm guessing they are finding it hard to sell to Iran and Syria at the moment, though I'm sure some are finding a way, and Israel is still be a big market for them (very kindly paid for by the American taxpayers).

I'm sure the government could soften the blow of domestic gun control by giving them tax breaks for export (to "friendly" regimes of course) - who cares if they end up being used by kids in Sudan. Wouldn't want the big companies to suffer now would we?
 
Wait are we talking about the right to own guns or.....

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Nobody should be without bear arms.
 
Not everyone carries a gun for self-defense. Against humans, anyway. Hunters carry handguns as protection against snakes in tall brush. I carry one for the same reason, even though I don't hunt too much, for when I go camping and hiking.
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Hunt how much you want , but do it outside town.While you're in town , it should be fucking kept in the care or smth.

About pepper and tazers...well I also didn't think they were a very good solution.

Also,when I was talking about martial arts , I wasn't referring to (sports) judo , aikido (it's usually a joke what they learn), non-contact or semi-contact styles(I think they're called light and medium contact styles in english). Full-contact styles+training on real-life scenarios is the way to go. I'd actually love to do some Krav Maga courses,but unfortunately there are not a lot of people teaching it(none where I live,and only heard of about 3 or 4 people in the whole country that teach others).But ,in life and death matters, a kick in the nuts anyone should be able to do :anon.sml:.

Referring to small handguns:I was talking about small non-lethal handguns,those that don't have virtually any effect over 5-6m ,but *can* kill someone at close range (though highly unlikely).If I remember well,the speed of a bullet from one of those weapons does not exceed 250m/s(and the bullets are from a special material).Those are specially designed for self-defense(not for killing),so you can't enter a hall,pull a weapon out of your coat and just kill everyone in sight.If you're lucky you might leave someone without an eye,but that's about it.No penetration,no explosion,nothing like that.

There must be some other methods of self-defense that do not imply fireweapons. (if against other kinds of attacks you may have one chance to defend yourself,you sure as hell can't dodge an incoming bullet).

Anyway,this whole issue won't be solved by banning weapons.People can kill fine without them too. We need better education,proactive psychology counseling , and solutions to people's problems.The use of weapons is just a manifestation of aggressive behavior,and as I said,and I'll repeat it again,banning weapons won't make them any less aggressive,but they may reduce one's ability to harm others(many others).

Also geekcognito , if you put yourself in the position of a parent of one of the young that were killed,how would you feel knowing that any lunatic could kill your son/daughter in a blink of an eye,for no reason at all.

Weapons don't kill , humans do ! (however,they can't kill as much without them). There ... it sounds like a statistic now ... looks like Stalin knew something when he said what he said..

This is a very complex issue,and I am quite poorly informed atm,but this has got my attention, and I really feel that I should at least try to do something about it.It's really sad that these things happen ...
 
Ok...your second amendment sucks :|. I'm really starting to dislike some of those laws. The freedom to be shot in the head by some lunatic does not appeal to me at all.

Free people can be armed, if you can't be then you're not free.
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People have the right to arms,to kill,to rape...or else they're not free...Oh wait...somethings wrong there ...

Guns stop way more crimes than they cause every year.
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Guns used in what scenarios?(police).What crimes are we talking about they stop 100 thefts compared to 10 deaths they cause ?

People just need to use common sense.
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Well that's the problem. People that usually to the stuff that happened at Virginia Tech...DON'T HAVE ANY commonsense whatsoever.They're psycho.

Look at Vermont- no permits required to carry concealed and some of the lowest crime in the entire US.
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Thank you for the correlation,but that does not equal causation. Things are far more complex than that.

If the kids or professors on that campus could carry legally then someone may have stopped the bastard before he killed so many.
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And if the bastard couldn't have had a weapon at all,none of this would have happened.
 
GeorgeA said:
Also geekcognito , if you put yourself in the position of a parent of one of the young that were killed,how would you feel knowing that any lunatic could kill your son/daughter in a blink of an eye,for no reason at all.
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Have you even read my first post in this thread? The very first one? I started this thread because I'm outraged by this tragedy.

Plus, I feel I've done a very good job of looking at the issue as objectively as possible even though I am adamant about my right to own and carry firearms.

Dude, don't argue with me just to argue. We're having a discussion. Everything you've said in your last post other than what I've quoted is almost exactly the arguments I was making in my other posts.
 
Just a quick thought on a gun control then I gotta do some work...

I see it this way, if MORE people had guns, then crazy ass fuckers like this shooter would get dropped in a hail of gun fire the second they started going nuts.

An armed society is a polite society. More guns is the answer, not less.

The UK's skyhigh violent crime rate should be a big fat testament to STOPPING gun control.
 
I like how people think that gun control would have prevented this tragedy. It looks like this guy premeditated the whole thing, he could have gotten one regardless of the law. People are still killed by gunfire in cities with gun control, someone who wants carnage isn't going to give a flying fuck about the law.
 
Ah, America and it's problems. What woulda been cool is if a student hit the floor kicked over his desk and pulled out a gun and started shooting up the gunman. Only problem is, aren't students in America checked for guns now a days thanks to 9/11?

Fuck I wish I took that video, the rush woulda payed off when you sell it to the press
 
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Only problem is, aren't students in America checked for guns now a days thanks to 9/11?
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You would have to be pretty damn suspicious looking to be checked for weaponry at a university. This shooting is kind of a new thing, most of the school gun problems happen at high schools, not universities. Most inner city high schools have metal detectors and police at the entrances, but colleges don't.
 
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You would have to be pretty damn suspicious looking to be checked for weaponry at a university. This shooting is kind of a new thing, most of the school gun problems happen at high schools, not universities. Most inner city high schools have metal detectors and police at the entrances, but colleges don't.
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Now that is just screwed up, no high school should have freaking police and metal detectors.
 
joe said:
You would have to be pretty damn suspicious looking to be checked for weaponry at a university. This shooting is kind of a new thing, most of the school gun problems happen at high schools, not universities. Most inner city high schools have metal detectors and police at the entrances, but colleges don't.
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Now that is just screwed up, no high school should have freaking police and metal detectors.
 
From that site:

you know those creepy/crazy old men who own enough firearms to facilitate an army? i'm slowly turning into one of them....

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Crazy fuck. You always have to wonder about those shitheads that fall utterly in love with their guns. I mean, I like having guns and all, but I don't have freaking tactical assault weapons.

I would have to wonder if that really is the guy. Sure seems to fit.
 
It's not him, he had a post a little earlier in the day in expressing his condolences for the victims but apparently he took it down because he likes the attention...

It's just a coincidence that he happens to be a young asian male who likes guns and recently broke up with his girlfriend. But yeah, it's not him, this shit has been analyzed to death over at offtopic forums.
 
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