Was 911 all planned?

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Using Thermite to Detonate

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NIST Engineer John Gross Caught Lying

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Secondary explosions

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so uh, being a physicist i feel compelled to come in this thread and call you a moron but I'll let this video do the talking:

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so uh, being a physicist i feel compelled to come in this thread and call you a moron but I'll let this video do the talking:

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What the fuck? your computer simulation means less than the SHIT ON MY TOILET PAPER

fuck off and come back when you've got real proof mr fuckin physicist:thefinger:
 
What the fuck? your computer simulation means less than the SHIT ON MY TOILET PAPER

fuck off and come back when you've got real proof mr fuckin physicist:thefinger:

wow, what? I could find you a million documents from NIST about how steel loses its structural integrity at half of it's melting point, but fighting with 9/11 truthers is like arguing with a brick wall. and not just links from maddox, which was already posted. but hey cool, deny finite element analysis and the calculations behind it.

"hard evidence? fuck no, give me my tinfoil hat boy"
 
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From the looks of the video. That building should have been at least leaning as soon as it was hit.. Metal wings taking out thick "STEEL" columns? I just don't see it..

If it could have done that to the WTC then there should be drastic signs of damage to the pentagon?

Thats the 3rd computer animated video that I have seen trying to debunk this claim. It gets old..

Heat doesn't budge steel around 1700 deg, I can tell you that from a fact.. I used to work for a oil sucker rod manufacturing company.. So what is your definition of half it's melting point.. Please clarify.
 
That video was nothing to me. It is just like he said a visualization of what it would look like. I dont need that. I saw the real videos a billion times already. They news played them non stop for weeks.

I just dont see an aluminum thin plane destroying the center columns. I could give you a small steel beam or anvil. You could beat on it all day with a thin or even solid aluminum hammer and it would not do shit to it. Not a thing.

This was not some reject steeel that is average. It was safety inspected as it was the highest building in the world at the time. All top quality.

And the simple hard facts are that that building was made to take TWO planes hitting each tower and 4 engine planes of the late 1960s. Significantly heavier and more solid than what hit it.

The Empire State Building was hit by a USA bomber by accident. They fixed the whole and it is still there.

The people that want to believe the official story are clinging to their belief that all government is good and denying rational thinking. 2 thin aluminum planes take down 3 of the best built steel buildings in the world? That makes no sense.

And that is not getting into the weird circumstances of that day and the PNAC stuff. The endless wars because of these events....
 
From the looks of the video. That building should have been at least leaning as soon as it was hit.. Metal wings taking out thick "STEEL" columns? I just don't see it..

If it could have done that to the WTC then there should be drastic signs of damage to the pentagon?

Thats the 3rd computer animated video that I have seen trying to debunk this claim. It gets old..

Heat doesn't budge steel around 1700 deg, I can tell you that from a fact.. I used to work for a oil sucker rod manufacturing company.. So what is your definition of half it's melting point.. Please clarify.

wait wait, are you saying steel isn't a type of metal, albeit an alloy? it's Iron and Carbon, and at high temperatures not close to its melting point, steel becomes brittle. do you realize what kind of vibrations it would cause by running something into a structure that is essentially being treated as a rod against a pivot (the ground) at ~500mph? it was a combination of harsh vibrations throughout the system as well as the heat, causing the structure to truly be damaged. I can't even find what a 747 weighs plus full capacity plus fuel, but you don't think that an airplane that size could cause a relatively thin column to split? Not only that, but by the time the second plane hit, you don't think that the steel had been heated enough to reach that brittle point to where the second plane striking would cause such a strong vibration in the area that all the weight on top of the already weakened structure would cause it to fall?

Come on, there's so much even just basic mechanics behind this and it's easy to spot. The video of the plane accusing it of going mach 3 or whatever based on scale is completely false too, because you can't judge the X and Y scales to be the same.
 
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That video was nothing to me. It is just like he said a visualization of what it would look like. I dont need that. I saw the real videos a billion times already. They news played them non stop for weeks.

it's not just a "visualization", it's a finite element analysis using the exact design of the WTC, the exact jet, and exact physics down to a billionth of an inch.
 
^Go get em tiger, don't know how you have the patience though, it will be in and out without anything to stop it in the middle.
 
it's not just a "visualization", it's a finite element analysis using the exact design of the WTC, the exact jet, and exact physics down to a billionth of an inch.

At what point does it explain the collapse, and the speed and nature of the collapse?

Oh yeah - being a mighty physicist as you are, could you please put your mind to calculating the thermal energy that would be created by the jet-fuel explosion, together with it's resulting conduction along the remaining steel structure of the building. I think you might find the answer quite interesting.

:R:
 
At what point does it explain the collapse, and the speed and nature of the collapse?

Oh yeah - being a mighty physicist as you are, could you please put your mind to calculating the thermal energy that would be created by the jet-fuel explosion, together with it's resulting conduction along the remaining steel structure of the building. I think you might find the answer quite interesting.

:R:

yeah ok read my post above that one and that will answer both of those, sorry to burst your truther bubble. you also have to remember to calculate in that it wasn't just jet fuel burning in the building, there's a lot of plastic (which are made of what, boys and girls? hydrocarbons). it can't be individually calculated, go get me access to the supercomputer and a team like Purdue has, and then maybe, but until then this pointless tabloid trash isn't worth my time.

edit: if you're going to get onto me about that "duhurr it fell faster than free fall!", that's impossible without an outside force pushing or pulling it down enough to break the normal air resistance, because there's a thing called terminal velocity. nothing experiences true free fall within earth's atmosphere.
 
hmyeah this visualisation isnt super...

I mean you see debris flying over and passing through stuff... but anyways in anycase a computer visualisation no matter what you say can always be "programmed" to give a wanted result. I dont know anything about physics so to me it looks ok, but maybe for others its not quite right... whatever...

The gas in the 2 towers could be an explannation, but why did building 7 go down aswell... isnt that weird ? just after being insured for terrorist attacks, how convenient ... but sure yes it could be a coincidence so lets not get into this more hehe
 
wait wait, are you saying steel isn't a type of metal, albeit an alloy? it's Iron and Carbon, and at high temperatures not close to its melting point, steel becomes brittle. do you realize what kind of vibrations it would cause by running something into a structure that is essentially being treated as a rod against a pivot (the ground) at ~500mph? it was a combination of harsh vibrations throughout the system as well as the heat, causing the structure to truly be damaged. I can't even find what a 747 weighs plus full capacity plus fuel, but you don't think that an airplane that size could cause a relatively thin column to split? Not only that, but by the time the second plane hit, you don't think that the steel had been heated enough to reach that brittle point to where the second plane striking would cause such a strong vibration in the area that all the weight on top of the already weakened structure would cause it to fall?

Come on, there's so much even just basic mechanics behind this and it's easy to spot. The video of the plane accusing it of going mach 3 or whatever based on scale is completely false too, because you can't judge the X and Y scales to be the same.

You say steel becomes brittle at high temps. Or it bulges, or it melts. So which is it? And how did that video show me high temps? The kerosene went in. Most went out. It lit on fire. All gone.

Steel from my metal working experience becomes brittle when heated and cooled too quickly. Like tools or swords are cooled slowly in sand.

Yes the plane hitting it would cause some vibrations. People said they felt in other floors. The buildings were so damn strong most people in them did not understand that it was a large jet. And that does not mean it would just topple. How many thousands of times heavier is the building than the plane? The building was made to stand 100 mph winds against the side, then the wind reversing and going the other way.

The planes were small twin engine commuter planes that were made to get lift from thin skinned wings and to be as fuel efficient as possible.

Is the US government switching all it cruise missiles to commuter jet planes? They should because whatever these things hit, they take down. Without one pound of explosives. They take done 50 story buildings next to other buildings that got hit. They kick ass and take names.

And you say this is all basic mechanics, but above you stated these were 747s. They weren't. 747s are huge compared to what hit them. Ever see them sitting next to each other at an airport? These were new 767s, strangely all of them.

And only one plane hit each tower. Not two like you said above.

One small plane hit a huge fricking tower made like no bodies business. The fuel burned up in 5 seconds or so. The office furniture smoldered for a while. The fires were darkening because they were going out. A fireman said he can knock it down with two small lines. Then the buildings collapsed.

That fireman must be like superman to stand in or near a room that must be over 2000 Farenheit.

And someone must really have not wanted to see them put out the fires 20 minutes later. I mean how can a building fall from fire if the fires are out?

Admit it. The people that did this have awesome control over flying objects. They can plant evidence, they have access to the buidlings, and they can monitor radio traffic.

You know who it is.
 
And you say this is all basic mechanics, but above you stated these were 747s. They weren't. 747s are huge compared to what hit them. Ever see them sitting next to each other at an airport? These were new 767s, strangely all of them.

And only one plane hit each tower. Not two like you said above.

Excuse my mistake, 767's, and I never said two hit each tower, reread it. Until people stop rehashing old arguments which have been disproved time and time again, and claiming Rosie O'Donnel is their lord and savior, Bye thread.

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but you don't think that an airplane that size could cause a relatively thin column to split? Not only that, but by the time the second plane hit, you don't think that the steel had been heated enough to reach that brittle point to where the second plane striking would cause such a strong vibration in the area that all the weight on top of the already weakened structure would cause it to fall?.

This is where I thought you said two planes hit a tower. So you think that the vibrations were so strong from these small planes that they traveled down the structure one thousand feet, through a structure made to dampen earthquakes and then affected the whole earth that another building standing a hundred feet away got so much vibrations that it damaged it more, causing it to fall?

Dude you're the conspiracy theorist.

Yes there was an area vibration that preceded the fall. It was caught on camera, here it is.

Watch the 4 second spot.
9/11 North Tower Floor Explodes - Video
 
Sorry.. Aluminum :). Was and ranting.. Just had a picture of a flimsy plane in my mind.
 
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