What do young British Muslims think about the 'Caliphate'

[faceblogger]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXHg9AY6M2k"]Islamic State: What do young British Muslims think about the Caliphate? BBC News - YouTube[/ame]

Some are supporting it, and some are against it.



Meanwhile what ISIS is doing in its mission to establish the Caliphate is


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[dmnEPC]

minor correction

ISIS = al qaeda

al qaeda = alCIAda

ISIS is not some new group with a sudden rise to power. This is all one big psy-op. Nothing has changed. Nothing is new. Question everything.

 

[GimpSpack]

minor correction

ISIS = al qaeda

al qaeda = alCIAda

ISIS is not some new group with a sudden rise to power. This is all one big psy-op. Nothing has changed. Nothing is new. Question everything.

Question everything...

...Yet assert conspiracy shit without any evidence whatsoever?

Well, you certainly have me questioning.

 

[knownerror]

Question everything...

...Yet assert conspiracy shit without any evidence whatsoever?

Well, you certainly have me questioning.

This is why we question one's questions so no questions are not questioned.

 

[Fierce]

What do Scientologists think of rainbows?

Oh right, nobody cares.

Anyone who goes to fight for an Islamic State should stay there, they are not welcome back in the UK.

 

[Fatbat]

Anyone who goes to fight for an Islamic State should stay there, they are not welcome back in the UK.

Exactly this. Australia is talking about blocking travel to these places. I think they've got it backwards. I say let them go and never let them comes back.

 

[momchil9]

minor correction

ISIS = al qaeda

al qaeda = alCIAda

ISIS is not some new group with a sudden rise to power. This is all one big psy-op. Nothing has changed. Nothing is new. Question everything.

uhm... IMHO it looks a lot more likely it's Russia behind this. The convenience of halting oil production in Iraq while Europe is inching towards energy crisis, because of the Crimea conflict is just a tad bit too much not to raise your eyebrow.

 

[mattseh]

Why do people think it's so unlikely that actions have consequences, with shit happening without some kind of overall plan?

 

[Eren_Yeager]

uhm... IMHO it looks a lot more likely it's Russia behind this. The convenience of halting oil production in Iraq while Europe is inching towards energy crisis, because of the Crimea conflict is just a tad bit too much not to raise your eyebrow.

Russia and China are supporting Asad.Guy that ISIS hate more than anything else.They are still in war.Its in Russia best interest that Asad stay in power in Syria.

 

[momchil9]

Why do people think it's so unlikely that actions have consequences, with shit happening without some kind of overall plan?

This kind of "shit" rarely happens randomly. Large scale operations like that don't just appear out of nowhere. They need training, funding and most importantly - continuous tactical support. You don't simply stumble upon those things. History shows that paramilitary organisations almost always were seeded by government units.

Russia and China are supporting Asad.Guy that ISIS hate more than anything else.They are still in war.Its in Russia best interest that Asad stay in power in Syria.

They support Assad not out of fondness towards his character, but because he is friendly to them. They won't mind changing him for someone else, as long as he does what the tzar says.

 

[-joe-]

What do Scientologists think of rainbows?

Oh right, nobody cares.

Anyone who goes to fight for an Islamic State should stay there, they are not welcome back in the UK.

Agreed, however, we're not doing that, we're classing anyone who goes to fight in Syria automatically as fighting for ISIS, and branding them a terrorist.

 

[theallspark]

Anyone who goes to fight for an Islamic State should stay there, they are not welcome back in the UK.

^^^ Mostly This!! But there is a small but growing fraction which, while they may not support ISIS/Islamic State, do agree with the principles on which IS is based - Sharia Law! And that's a little scary.

I've met many British born Muslims, mostly 2nd/3rd migrants of Indo-Pak origin, who have more radical views than their parents or grandparents who came before them. Case in point... 30yrs ago, it would be a rarity to see Muslim women walking down the high street wearing a Burqa, but it's become the norm today. Muslim men of Indo-Pak origin have also ditched their traditional dress for a the Arab Jubbah... but those are merely superficial examples. What's really going on in the UK and around the world is what is being described as the Arabization of Islam.

“Arabization” of Islam emphasizes rituals and code of conduct more than substance and Islam’s universalism. It stems from the “the Wahabi creed,” a rigid branch of Islam exported from and subsidized by the government of Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism is distinct in its destructive nature when religion is used by the state for political ends. Unlike other traditions that accommodate dissenting views, the Wahhabis claim to possess an un-debatable version of ‘true Islam”.

I for one, would not live in any Country/State which imposes Sharia Law... infact i have until this day, refused to even visit any country where Sharia Law is prevalent (UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan etc), even when offered free travel and accommodation!

 

[teatree]

^^^ They might be doing it just to shock their parents and shock society (the muslim version about what went on in the '60s).

There's some evidence that some are getting sucked because they are looking for adventure, in a similar manner to those who went to fight in the Spanish Civil War (inc hemmingway).

Here's a story about two such wannabees who went to Syria, their alarmed parents contacted the police, and they were arrested at Heathrow when they came back:

Birmingham terrorists bought 'Islam for Dummies' book before travelling to Syria for jihad | Mail Online

Over Skype, Ahmed talked to a Swedish national who was fighting with KaM.
He told the fighter: 'I come to join KaM,' to which the Swede replies: 'Inshallah (God willing)'.

Ahmed later asked a Danish Islamic extremist: 'Would the brothers in Yemen accept me?'

Two British terrorists who fled the UK to fight in Syria ordered books Islam For Dummies, The Koran For Dummies and Arabic For Dummies from Amazon ahead of their trip.

I guess buying all those "for Dummies" books was their attempt at "fitting in" when they got to their destination. But it shows just how little they know about the faith they are supposedly fighting for.

 

[dmnEPC]

Question everything...

...Yet assert conspiracy shit without any evidence whatsoever?

Well, you certainly have me questioning.

here is a little background where that "conspiracy" comes from. I welcome you to dig further. Is it evidence? nope not at all. my clearance doesn't go up that high.

In a 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:

During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.[1]

Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, believed the CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan." His source for this is unclear.[2]

In conversation with former British Defence Secretary Michael Portillo, two-time Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto said Osama bin Laden was initially pro-American.[3] Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia, has also stated that bin Laden once expressed appreciation for the United States' help in Afghanistan. On CNN's Larry King program he said:[4]

Bandar bin Sultan: This is ironic. In the mid-'80s, if you remember, we and the United - Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He [Osama bin Laden] came to thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans, our friends, to help us against the atheists, he said the communists. Isn't it ironic?

Larry King: How ironic. In other words, he came to thank you for helping bring America to help him.

Bandar bin Sultan: Right.

Former FBI translator and Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, interviewed by Brad Friedman on the The Mike Malloy Show on June 2009 has stated: "I have information about things that our government has lied to us about. I know. For example, to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union we ceased all of our intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban - those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11."[5]

speculative "proof" and yes the counter points are addressed in the same wiki. Do your own research and decide for yourself



I have a question. How does this supposed group, take over parts of a country that america has occupied and been at war with for the last 20 years? Do you really believe america would tolerate that?

 

[-joe-]

I've met many British born Muslims, mostly 2nd/3rd migrants of Indo-Pak origin, who have more radical views than their parents or grandparents who came before them. Case in point... 30yrs ago, it would be a rarity to see Muslim women walking down the high street wearing a Burqa, but it's become the norm today. Muslim men of Indo-Pak origin have also ditched their traditional dress for a the Arab Jubbah... but those are merely superficial examples. What's really going on in the UK and around the world is what is being described as the Arabization of Islam.

May I ask if you live in the UK? If so, whereabouts?

Because I genuinely can't remember the last time I saw someone with a Burqa. Hijab (as in, cloth covering the head but not the face), yes, plenty, but a Burqa is still a definite rarity.

 

[mattseh]

May I ask if you live in the UK? If so, whereabouts?

Because I genuinely can't remember the last time I saw someone with a Burqa. Hijab (as in, cloth covering the head but not the face), yes, plenty, but a Burqa is still a definite rarity.

I see them multiple times per week. I live in a liberal UK city.

 

[teatree]

^^^ I'm guessing London? But are you sure the wearers are Brits rather than Arab tourists who've come here for the summer because their home countries are too warm in August and they can't go to France?

I'm on the south coast and we don't see burqas or hijabs. Sometimes I watch the news and wonder if they've made it all up just to bring a bit of excitement to the bulletins.

 

[Eren_Yeager]

not 100% sure if thats him but this pic is all around internet.

 

[theallspark]

May I ask if you live in the UK? If so, whereabouts?

Because I genuinely can't remember the last time I saw someone with a Burqa. Hijab (as in, cloth covering the head but not the face), yes, plenty, but a Burqa is still a definite rarity.

I'm on the south coast and we don't see burqas or hijabs. Sometimes I watch the news and wonder if they've made it all up just to bring a bit of excitement to the bulletins.

Yeah, depends on where you live and what you're exposed to i suppose. I'm currently in West Sussex and to be honest i can't recall seeing many burqas around town recently. But i also have an office in Manchester and do see plenty of burqas when i'm up north. You'll see plenty in and around the northwest (Blackburn, Burnley, Oldham, Manchester, Bradford) and in the Midlands (Birmingham, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Leicester) and also in towns on the outskirts of London (Luton, Slough, Southall). Not so much of it in smaller towns away from major cities from what i've seen.

 

[mattseh]

^^^ I'm guessing London? But are you sure the wearers are Brits rather than Arab tourists who've come here for the summer because their home countries are too warm in August and they can't go to France?

I'm on the south coast and we don't see burqas or hijabs. Sometimes I watch the news and wonder if they've made it all up just to bring a bit of excitement to the bulletins.

Nowhere near London. Few arab tourists here.