What is really going on the middle east??

jenzkc said:
Not really. Prices for natural resources are artificially inflated by central bank's money printing. A war between the West and the Middle East would be due to a conflict in the financial industry (ie. no usury under Sharia law). That's basically why the west took over Libya, so western banks would be able to loan money to Libyans. Loans and debt issuance are above all else - for the time being. All those debt-free Iranians must be mouth watering for bankers.
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Same shit, different wording, isn't it? Why do nations / bankers want to enslave these countries with debt? Right, so they have free reign over the natural resources. They don't give a shit about the money itself. They want what's in the ground, because that's finite, and they know full well within 30 - 50 years, that shit will be almost priceless. They're taking it now, while they have the power to do so.

Instead of ending up in some long, drawn out war with China, Russia, India, or Brazil over resources in 30 years, they'd prefer just to take them all now. Helps stop the future war from even beginning.
 


leadsupplier said:
It's funny you bring this topic up today b/c i was just listening to the Joe Rogan Podcast and he was talking about how Afghanistan supposedly has trillions worth of valuable minerals for Lithium Ion technologies in their mountain.

then i couldn't help but thinking "What if the gov't was really badass and were fighting all these wars b/c they knew we'd just Pwn in the future by owning all of these places"

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=all
Afghan mineral wealth could top $1 trillion: Pentagon | Reuters

And this was actually discovered by the russians in the 80's .
 
Well, what happens is that they have all the oil required to move the gigantic US Economy, and to prevent any trouble that might arise both in terms of price and supply, invading and killing hundreds of thousands of innocents and overthrow governments in those countries is just what has to be done in order to achieve the objective.

PD: Before every strike though, a good excuse needs to be found so the massacre can begin.
 
Yet analysts are saying that gas and oil from domestic oil shale will completely remake the US energy industry within a decade. Assuming opposition to fracking can be overcome/railroaded then what's the motivation to maintain military aggression? Answer: Containing China. Even if the US has all the oil it needs it doesn't want China to have what it needs.
 
Has anyone read The Economic Hitman before? I'm curious, is that pretty much what's happening in places like Libya, Egypt, and Tunisia right now?

Lots of infrastructure projects starting to rebuild and expand, while the IMF floods the place with money. Specialized contractors are brought in, who make widely inflated financial projections on various infrastructure projects. Add to this some wining & dining, and some backdoor deals, and you have a signed contract.

The government, business, whoever than takes a loan from the IMF to complete the project. Upon completion, the reality isn't anywhere close to the projections, so the loan is defaulted on. Back at the negotiating table, the IMF basically says they'll forgive the loan, in exchange for certain mineral rights, the right to build a new military base, right to a port of entry, or whatever.

Anyone know? Is that about what's happening over there right now?
 
geomark said:
Assuming opposition to fracking can be overcome/railroaded
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LOL; Nothing every gets railroaded through congress here in the USA; you must be thinking of Russia Mark! ;)

I for one have already started to build up immunity to fracked tap water. The taste isn't all that bad... :disgust:


geomark said:
then what's the motivation to maintain military aggression? Answer: Containing China. Even if the US has all the oil it needs it doesn't want China to have what it needs.
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I'm certainly no expert on oil wells, but doesn't china have enough domestic production to outlast us? They're already way ahead of us in green energy too, with both the largest sun and wind farms in the world.


Kiopa_Matt said:
Has anyone read The Economic Hitman before? I'm curious, is that pretty much what's happening in places like Libya, Egypt, and Tunisia right now?
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Anyone know? Is that about what's happening over there right now?
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Dude. This is a gay webmaster forum. Think someone from MI6 or the CIA has an account here and willing to spill those beans?
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Has anyone read The Economic Hitman before? I'm curious, is that pretty much what's happening in places like Libya, Egypt, and Tunisia right now?
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Yes and yes but there's military force involved here on a wider scale than Perkins discusses and a few other things here and there. Perkins does basically go through examples of what you outlined.

There are a few strategies he describes that adapt to the specific case. But the blueprint is basically find a tin pot dictator who is easily corrupted in a country with lots of natural resources, give him a bunch of development loans for no bid contracts with multinational corps with the country's resources as conditionality, lie about promises of first world status and protection from the US/UN, throw in an administrative grant so the leader's family can buy bling and a couple sex slaves for the basement.

Then phase two, wait for growth and gdp to take a shit after the loans are sucked dry by the corrupt government and the corps who schelp the work, publish crap projections, wall street and the ratings agencies close in for the ko, and the country is an official puppet primed for wall street pillaging, military bases, tribal genocide, etc.

Perkins leaves a lot out of his story, which I think he's said elsewhere in so many words because of how deep he could take it.

In Egypt and Libya it's been done under cover of populist uprising even though our perception of this is largely fabricated. And in Libya there really wasn't much buttering up or deals cut, and they ended up using massive force rather than a few strategic assassinations and payoffs like Perkins describes.

But sure enough now both countries are in with the IMF.
 
It's all about resource allocation, strategic positioning, and controlling trade. We control the trade of resources and we control the world. The funniest thing to me is that a Lusitania isn't even necessary anymore. Now all we need is, "they might someday have the potential to attack us. . . maybe" and half the country jumps on board.
 
cassius said:
It's all about resource allocation, strategic positioning, and controlling trade. We control the trade of resources and we control the world. The funniest thing to me is that a Lusitania isn't even necessary anymore. Now all we need is, "they might someday have the potential to attack us. . . maybe" and half the country jumps on board.
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It's true. Romney or Newt forget which is running around saying Iran must not be allowed to acquire the potential for atomic weapons. What does that mean?
 
Something to add to the discussion:

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This excludes many valuable minerals, but it gives you an idea of the value Afghani land holds in terms of some more common minerals. Also, look into Goldman's purchase of mining rights on various plots in Afghanistan. Detailed information is hard to find, but there is some out there. I have a much more precise map including REM's and Li on my computer somewhere, I'll try to find it. On top of this, Afghanistan's location is extremely valuable. It's no coincidence the Russians went after Afghanistan and even less coincidence we made sure they didn't win.
 
leadsupplier said:
It's funny you bring this topic up today b/c i was just listening to the Joe Rogan Podcast and he was talking about how Afghanistan supposedly has trillions worth of valuable minerals for Lithium Ion technologies in their mountain.
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"The two most resource-starved nations on the planet, China and India, sit next door to Afghanistan, where, according to Pentagon estimates, minerals worth nearly $1 trillion lie buried."

J.P. Morgan's hunt for Afghan gold - Fortune Management
 
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