what the F is wrong with google

TigerUK

TigerUK

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I'm fed up with google, \we've had a site redesign and had to implement 301s to different pages.

Each and every time I've implemented a 301 in site, all my pages have sunk down 5-6 pages on competitive keywords and 2-3 pages on low comp keywords..

Why does it have to do that? I know what I'm doing, my changeswork and are legit, why not just replace the page on the index instaneously instead of getting my pages deranked for 2-3 weeks, costing me money, exposure, and a lot of stress.

Google even said 301s reduce pagerank to an extend too.. what the fuck.. what.. people aren't supposed to ever changed their websites?

fuck you google.
 


Any other experiences on this? I've done it recently and haven't noticed a difference.

But I have a few huge sites that I want to change the domain on so I'm really sweating about it. They have great rankings that I'd hate to see go away.

Are there better ways to do a 301?

OP did you make sure that you 301'd individual pages? If you only did the root domain all the deeplinks to your internal pages might not count anymore. Right?

Any feedback from you experienced SEO'ers would be fantastic.
 
TigerUK said:
I'm fed up with google, \we've had a site redesign and had to implement 301s to different pages.

Each and every time I've implemented a 301 in site, all my pages have sunk down 5-6 pages on competitive keywords and 2-3 pages on low comp keywords..

Why does it have to do that? I know what I'm doing, my changeswork and are legit, why not just replace the page on the index instaneously instead of getting my pages deranked for 2-3 weeks, costing me money, exposure, and a lot of stress.

Google even said 301s reduce pagerank to an extend too.. what the fuck.. what.. people aren't supposed to ever changed their websites?

fuck you google.
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first, as papa Eli always says, give any SEO change 3+ weeks before you judge the effects. Sounds like you're right on course there.

second, if 301ing pages was easy/instantaneous, we'd all be ranking for profitable terms and 301 redirecting to offer pages and throwin' D's all day long.

third, in Google America, spiders find you!
 
In my experience there has almost always been a down period as G crawls backlinks, sees 301, reassigns juice to the new URLs. But just recently had a client put up some 301s and the process went a lot faster with virtually no down period.

ChrisS is right it needs to be done with a lot of care. Each individual page needs to 301 to its new home, which can be difficult to get right with some frameworks.
 
Yep, shit will come back. I WRECKED a site by changing the entire structure, got penalized, fixed down the road with 301's, and it came back eventually. I don't know if there is a way around it.
 
I also did a 301 on one of my large site about a couple of months ago. I changed the link structure of the site. On first month ranking went completely down then slowly on the second month it started coming up with the new page and after three months now it's still not 100% as it used to. It's only around 50% of the pages are ranking with new pages and the remaining nowhere to be on top as it was before. But it's slowly picking up.

So, yes ranking will go down and it will take time to get the serps back when you 301 the pages and sites. I didn't knew that but now I know it. Beware guys.
 
I've made some MAJOR changes recently to large sites. The most drastic move I made included (1) Changing servers after buying a site, (2) Changing permalink structure, (3) Moving to new domain with proper redirects in tact.

That was about 30 days ago. Traffic has been about 1/3rd of what it was prior to purchasing the site. I'm still hopeful but this has made me incredibly weary of some HUGE changes I was considering on other sites.
 
trigatch4 said:
Traffic has been about 1/3rd of what it was prior to purchasing the site. I'm still hopeful but this has made me incredibly weary of some HUGE changes I was considering on other sites.
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Whoa! that's a lot of traffic to lose. I guess that's why one AM - John Chow i think - does not allow his search engine traffic source to go past the 30% mark based from the site's overall traffic source.
 
ChrisS said:
Any other experiences on this? I've done it recently and haven't noticed a difference.

But I have a few huge sites that I want to change the domain on so I'm really sweating about it. They have great rankings that I'd hate to see go away.

Are there better ways to do a 301?

OP did you make sure that you 301'd individual pages? If you only did the root domain all the deeplinks to your internal pages might not count anymore. Right?

Any feedback from you experienced SEO'ers would be fantastic.
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he did it wrong. needs to be handled better... google doesn't punish rankings like that... the only way is if he screwed up in this instance
 
I've completely changed the URL structure on several sites over the years and never had a problem.
 
trigatch4 said:
I've made some MAJOR changes recently to large sites. The most drastic move I made included (1) Changing servers after buying a site, (2) Changing permalink structure, (3) Moving to new domain with proper redirects in tact.

That was about 30 days ago. Traffic has been about 1/3rd of what it was prior to purchasing the site. I'm still hopeful but this has made me incredibly weary of some HUGE changes I was considering on other sites.
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Damnit, I don't want to hear this shit ;P

What do you think is the most likely cause and what do you mean by "Changing permalink structure"?
 
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