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I built a replica of the google search engine for my final year project at uni. In general outgoing links do drain pagerank and knock you down on the serps a bit. I have seen it happen with some of my sites.
L146705 said:
So you built a replica of the Google search engine without knowing exactly how the engine works? Not a single person outside Google knows how the algorithm works. We know it's based on link popularity, keyword density, and likely a slew of other things, but nobody knows how exactly they are all used.
If you actually had the knowledge to build an actual replica of the search engine, you'd be a bazillionaire just from being able to sell your knowledge of the inner workings to SEO people.
If you're linking out to "untrusted" and/or "off-topic" sites, then that could be the case. But if you're linking to sites within your industry, that are also authority sites... then it is only going to help your PR.L146705 said:
I ran into a perfect example...
http://www.carlsbadlagoon.com/ - homepage has a PR4, as does every other page on the site... except...
http://www.carlsbadlagoon.com/sponsors.asp - has a PR5, it also happens to be the only page on the site that has any outbound links.
The PR can't be attributed to inbound links to that particular page, because there are none...
https://siteexplorer.search.yahoo.c....carlsbadlagoon.com/sponsors.asp&bwm=i&bwms=p
The only links pointing to that page are internal links from the site itself, and there is no more link love to that page than any other page on the site.
It's the same template as every other page on the site, has less content than a couple of the other pages with lower PR, no off-site links pointing to it, yet it has a higher PR than any other page on the site. The only thing that sets that page apart from any other page on the site is the outbound links to relevant authority(ish) sites.
LOL 
it's hard to believe people are still getting confused by PR. Linking out DOES hurt your site's PR. If you don't believe it, you don't understand how PR works.
Kyleirwin, I'm surprised to hear you say that linking out "helps" your PR. I didn't think you were a newbie?
Now look - it's mathematical but instead of using numbers, it's easier to explain it with an example. Linking out from a page simply changes the way the way PR is distributed around your site. So, if you link out from a page, it decreases the amount of PR you send back to your site's pages, from that page. That's why your example site's sponsors page has a higher PR than the rest of the site. If it didn't link out to all those other sites, the whole site would probably be at PR5 (the other pages will be very close to PR5 as it is).
Check out this link as an example...
http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank_calculator.php
Do 4 pages all interlinked. See how their PR is distributed evenly? Now add in one outbound link from page A. See how page A now has more PR than the rest of the pages? However, the PR still DECREASES overall. Outbound links hurt PR - fact.
This is exactly what you're seeing in the example you gave.
it's hard to believe people are still getting confused by PR. Linking out DOES hurt your site's PR. If you don't believe it, you don't understand how PR works.Kyleirwin, I'm surprised to hear you say that linking out "helps" your PR. I didn't think you were a newbie?
Now look - it's mathematical but instead of using numbers, it's easier to explain it with an example. Linking out from a page simply changes the way the way PR is distributed around your site. So, if you link out from a page, it decreases the amount of PR you send back to your site's pages, from that page. That's why your example site's sponsors page has a higher PR than the rest of the site. If it didn't link out to all those other sites, the whole site would probably be at PR5 (the other pages will be very close to PR5 as it is).
Check out this link as an example...
http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank_calculator.php
Do 4 pages all interlinked. See how their PR is distributed evenly? Now add in one outbound link from page A. See how page A now has more PR than the rest of the pages? However, the PR still DECREASES overall. Outbound links hurt PR - fact.
This is exactly what you're seeing in the example you gave.
No. But they would have more PR than if they didn't link out (which would be pretty stupid for a directory 
heh)
Understand that if page A links to page B then page A's PR doesn't *directly* decrease. But it does indirectly, because it doesn't send so much of the PR back through the site. I think this is what so many people find hard to understand and get hung up on.
heh)Understand that if page A links to page B then page A's PR doesn't *directly* decrease. But it does indirectly, because it doesn't send so much of the PR back through the site. I think this is what so many people find hard to understand and get hung up on.
Chromate said:No. But they would have more PR than if they didn't link out (which would be pretty stupid for a directory
Understand that if page A links to page B then page A's PR doesn't *directly* decrease. But it does indirectly, because it doesn't send so much of the PR back through the site. I think this is what so many people find hard to understand and get hung up on.
Are you saying that a page's pr passing ability is diminished with the amount of outbound links that page has? If so I would agree with that, but I do not believe that outbound links actually lower that pages pr. But I don't think anyone knows other than the G and it will probably change next week anyways.:rainfro:
The page's "ability" to pass PR is diminished, only in that is has less PR to pass. It will have LESS PR to pass back through the internal links, due to the presence of external links. A very basic and simplified way of looking at it is that the page's PR is devided equally between all links on the page. So naturally if you have 2 internal links and 8 external links, then 80% of the page's PR is going to external sites. 20% of the PR is flowing back through the internal site.
You're right in saying it doesn't *directly* decrease the link page's PR. But it will certainly decrease the PR of the page indirectly, because it will be sending less PR back through the internal site. If the internal site is linking to the links page, that page's PR will decrease.
Kyleirwin's example shows that perfectly. The calculator link I posted above shows that perfectly. They both fit perfectly with the original PR equation perfectly. Outbound links hurt PR - Fact.
Now, whether outbound links help in some other way a site's rank in the SERPs is a different matter entirely. PR is obviously by no means the only contributing "linking related" factor when it comes to ranking a page.
You're right in saying it doesn't *directly* decrease the link page's PR. But it will certainly decrease the PR of the page indirectly, because it will be sending less PR back through the internal site. If the internal site is linking to the links page, that page's PR will decrease.
Kyleirwin's example shows that perfectly. The calculator link I posted above shows that perfectly. They both fit perfectly with the original PR equation perfectly. Outbound links hurt PR - Fact.
Now, whether outbound links help in some other way a site's rank in the SERPs is a different matter entirely. PR is obviously by no means the only contributing "linking related" factor when it comes to ranking a page.
some dickhead black carded me for my above post. If you don't want my opinon then I won't post. Google was a uni project they released papers on how it all works, thats what I built the search engine off. I have studied and programmed for 100s of hours on the technical details of google and I have a 1st class degree in Internet Computing. I was expecting someone to try and have a go as there are a lot of jelaous people where qualifications are concerened.
Hah, hilarious people. I give bad reps for when you give bad information. The funny thing is, you guys both gave bad reps right back to me just for giving a bad rep to you.
It's the reason why the rep system just doesn't work, because people will just about always send a bad rep right back at you no matter what. Luckily, having a bad rep on a place like this is probably a good thing
It's the reason why the rep system just doesn't work, because people will just about always send a bad rep right back at you no matter what. Luckily, having a bad rep on a place like this is probably a good thing
two cards are grey and one is red(I don't understand this forum rep system) All I know is that Squirrelinabox vbmenu_register("postmenu_29828", true); is dishing out reps for opinons which is wrong.
L146705 said:
All you know is nothing actually. I gave you ONE bad rep, I gave Juicify TWO I believe (for two separate posts). You claim that dishing out reps for opinion is wrong... well.. why is that? And actually, I have yet to dish out a bad rep for purely opinion, though I think the rep system is basically meant for exactly that, people giving rep for posts they like or don't like.
Hell, since Juicify is butting into this little argument, let's look at his sig where it reads "<- Reputation Please! (If you liked this post of course) ". Hmmm... so he is actually asking for repuration if you like his post. Juicify, you really shouldn't be complaining about negative rep for people not liking your posts when you are asking for positive rep when they do like your posts. Maybe you should be willing to "take the heat"?
Anyway, both Juicify and L146705 are complaining about me giving them bad rep no their posts, saying that it was unjustified. Ok, so let's see here, after I gave them each bad rep, they both gave me bad rep right back. I believe L146705, you even left the comment "you give what you get". Now I assume you meant, you get what you give, which is hilarious since you are bitching about unfairly giving bad rep, when you blatantly gave me bad rep SOLEY for giving you bad rep, not because of any justified concerns with my post.
Reputation system... it's pretty much worthless and to make such a big deal about it is hilarious. Juicify should have a bad rep since his posts often are very uninformed and often downright wrong. And L146705, I don't know about your other posts, but your one here was damn funny claiming to know everything about Google because you built and exact replica. All the experts out there admit to only do guesswork on the few things we do know of Google... but not you, you know exactly how the beast works and somehow aren't a billionaire from being the only person outside of Google that knows what you know.
Anyway, this post will likely cause even more hysteria, but sometimes I just gotta call the BS when I see it.
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