So would I? I'm on your side right down to the bottom, but I think you missed the point...
Wow FUCK the FTC. Wants to tax news aggregators and redistribute funds to newspapers
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So would I? I'm on your side right down to the bottom, but I think you missed the point...
tangentially...spin that around.. if your government representative's election/re-election relies heavily on funding by vested interests, they will be less likely to piss off said vested interests. Right?
The people and who they elect do have the ability to create changes or get rid of it, so it's not like they can switch to 24 hours a day of Rick Astley videos.
About 20 million people watch the 6:30 network newscasts. Add to that numbers from NPR, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, HLN, etc. - then compare that total to Fox News or whatever you are saying is the choice of the intellectual shunners.
And not only does the nytimes.com have a better alexa ranking than foxnews.com, but so does the huffpost and guardian sites.
Should've kept my tagline the way it has always been for a few days longer...
Also this thread, like Refrozen said, has turned from on point to the usual political train-wreck we see everyday here.
If a mod is high right now (cough, cough Barman) all posts from Hellblazer down should be moved to a new thread about the BBC or whatever the fuck is going on in here and those who want to talk about this can do so.
Also this thread, like Refrozen said, has turned from on point to the usual political train-wreck we see everyday here.
If a mod is high right now (cough, cough Barman) all posts from Hellblazer down should be moved to a new thread about the BBC or whatever the fuck is going on in here and those who want to talk about this can do so.
Not necessarily, it's all about how government subsidies and funding affects media impartiality. Totally relevant to the thread, some people are just terrified of potentially offending liberals when it's inevitable seeing as they're behind many of society's ills. (OK, now the thread's derailed.)
I completely agree on the fact that the government should stay out of the media, but I believe your logic here is flawed. Let's take Fox News as an example.
Without any reasoning as to WHY, and without trying to justify or explain or counter, would you mind answering the following with a simple yes or no?
Would you agree that Fox News is a little biased? (yes or no)
Do you agree that Fox News is a little right-leaning? (yes or no)
Would you agree that generally, Fox News has is more in favor of the right than the left? (yes or no)
If you answered yes to only one of the above, you'll already know what I'm getting at.
How can it be that a supposedly impartial "news network" is politically biased, leaning into one direction, favoring one political option over the other? Where I come from, the role of the media is to educate about political choices equally, not nudge you into either one. You as a citizen are supposed to make up your own mind based on the facts you receive from impartial sources such as the media.
Someone who is a Fox-watching-and-seriously-believing citizen is not making up their mind freely and on their own because Fox is already pushing them into one particular direction. That's the exact opposite of impartiality. I know you might say "but they are the only ones who see it clearly" - case in point. Talk about sheeple again?
@popeye - Please don't try to deflect the issue by muttering your usual stuff about far-left taoist terrorists or something like that. The above is a simple question and unless you're the very sheep you claim your political dissenters are, you'll be able to separate your political views from a factual argument for a second, in the light of a constructive discussion.
I think he needs to take his passion on the road and get into politics. With his fiery I'll-fuck-you-in-the-ass attitude, he might actually be able to get something done.
His rage is probably wasted in the internetz.
You guys voted for this.
Remember 2 years ago how coooool it was to loooove Obama? Remember all the bumper stickers? The YouTube videos? The SNL skits? Obama's super slick speeches? The Democratic National Convention that looked more like a U2 concert than a government function? It was all bullshit.
Remember all this shit in November 2012, and send Obama the way of Jimmy Carter.
Remember 2 years ago how coooool it was to loooove Obama? Remember all the bumper stickers? The YouTube videos? The SNL skits? Obama's super slick speeches? The Democratic National Convention that looked more like a U2 concert than a government function? It was all bullshit.
Remember all this shit in November 2012, and send Obama the way of Jimmy Carter.
I love you FoxNews bashers. Probably never even watch the channel and just go off of what you "hear".
Is FoxNews a little biased? Whenever they have a discussion they have on a conservative AND a liberal -- something CNN and MSNBC do not do, hence their freefall in the ratings department. This is why I LIKE FoxNews -- I consider myself a conservative, but I actually like hearing both sides of the argument.
Do you agree that Fox News is a little right-leaning? Their editorial programs are, not their journalists. O'Reilly, Beck and Hannity make up their right-of-center editorial shows. With the exception of Beck, these shows always have on one liberal for each conservative voice. Have you ever watched Keith Olbermann? Seriously. The guy sits at his desk, invites on 1-2 people who agree with his viewpoint, and then they all yell at the camera making sure to talk really thuper fast as if talking fast equates to intelligence level. Please.
Would you agree that generally, Fox News has is more in favor of the right than the left? Their editorial programs are right-leaning, their news programs are in the middle. Watch 6-8PM, or anytime in the morning. Quit just watching fucking Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and making a judgement call, if you even watch them at all.
It is truly sad to watch how some people here do not understand the parallels between FTC and BBC... Those who do not learn from history are going to get raped by it (I mean repeat it).
The only way socialist fucktards can get their way is if people do not pay attention to the political cause/effect and how it played out in other countries.
Instead you guys are ridiculing Hellblazer for actually being on your side.
/facepalm
The only way socialist fucktards can get their way is if people do not pay attention to the political cause/effect and how it played out in other countries.
Instead you guys are ridiculing Hellblazer for actually being on your side.
/facepalm
So, popeyeblazer, what makes you so sure it's Obama with his leftist cronies pushing their socialist agenda and not the publishers stuck in the past century using lobbying groups to protect their failing business models?
To me it looks like the latter. But I would love to hear how you've reached the opposite conclusion. I haven't had a good laugh yet today. So please humor me.
To me it looks like the latter. But I would love to hear how you've reached the opposite conclusion. I haven't had a good laugh yet today. So please humor me.
Because these agendas are perfectly aligned.
Failing left-wing media publishers will owe their new lease on life to Big Government forever and serve the interests of leftist ideology with even more fervor.
What is that you do not understand here?
And? How do you get from "their interests are aligned" to knowing which one is responsible for making it happen?
Dude, big business is not left-wing or right-wing. Big business pays for the entire circus troupe, and then the entire troupe works to earn money for the big business by performing professional wrestling shows to live audience.
Not necessarily, it's all about how government subsidies and funding affects media impartiality. Totally relevant to the thread, some people are just terrified of potentially offending liberals when it's inevitable seeing as they're behind many of society's ills. (OK, now the thread's derailed.)
Sure, anything can be traced back to politics. But it's totally irrelevant here because that's not what this thread was intended for.
Whether I agree with you or not that's irrelevant and look at what, that one statement and a few of your Obama remarks, turned this thread into.
This thread was intended to talk about the article and what it means for everyone here. Not what Obama is doing to control the media by using the FTC, media outlets, etc.
I hope you go into politics. Because you'll never make much money sitting around here arguing with people, like yourself just playing for the other team, with such clear cut ideology and pride their opinions are unmoving.
It's the same fucking people, every fucking time.
And instead of this thread going anywhere the right and the left just say the same old shit in this thread littered with a few keywords like "FTC" mixed in.
The "Industry News" sub-forum should be made into a "no-political zone". Anyone who brings up politics, left or right, with clear partiality (read: not trying to stir up shit... But trying to help the thread move to a profitable ending) gets their post deleted or banned for a week. Whatever works.
Let it be an area for people to go to talk and stay on topic. Bring up politicians only if it's in regards to formulating a plan to combat the FTC's guidelines (or whatever the problem may be at the time).
That way threads don't turn into this:
Really on-topic. Right, bro?
It does not matter who comes first, the chicken or the egg. What matters is the damage they are doing to America and our liberties.
Big Business is not the same as Big Media. Media is often driven by some sort of agenda. The problem we got here is failing Big Media selling out their POV for a bailout. Sold out POV will over long term shape the public opinion for more taxation and regulation. Do you want that?
This is completely different from general Big Business not directly engaged in influencing public opinion.
How can you combat FTC if you do not want to learn how they operate, who is pulling the strings and how to push their buttons ??? You can hate FTC all day long, but if you want to influence their decisions you need to first understand how the system works and how to work the system.
FTC is a government agency run by political appointees put there to advance the political agenda of those who appointed them. Did you see this kind of blatant Anti-Business garbage coming out of there under Bush? Thought so. FTC has nothing to do with "consumer protection" or "regulating the marketplace". Like any government agency it is merely a vehicle for patronage, rewarding political friends and punishing political enemies.
You cannot win any argument with FTC by just appealing to reason. There is only one way to get any government agency to do anything. Show how their actions you DO NOT want will make them look bad with the public and with their patrons. Show how the actions you DO want will make them look like heros. That's it.
This is Lobbying 101. Exposing corrupt political motivation of FTC is the best way to roll back the bad things harmful to our business. You can rail about people who talk about politics all day long and then one day wake up to find your business banned or crippled.
Do you realize that the whole Visa/MC decision to shut down rebills was driven by them being dragged into one Senate hearing? Have you thought who called the hearing and for what political benefit? Really people, you are making it so easy to get our industry painted as villains and lose the battle over regulation and public opinion.
Jesus F. Christ!
lol, hellblazer must know right. stick around here. he'll help you out.
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Words cannot express what a fucking retard you are.
Honestly. You have to be 12 years old.
You and your little friends have fun here - I'm sure your political views being posted in random threads will enlighten the world. How couldn't they? Clearly you know everything about the FTC, right?
Your insights are much appreciated.
/posting on wickedfire