Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy

[Moxie]

Last month Christians didn't kill anyone. Can you name someone killed by a Christian last month in a religiously-motivated attack?

Do you remember the chart in another thread that had over 100 being killed and churches being destroyed on one April day in Nigeria? Christians there were also killing and destroying mosques.

Nigeria election riots: How leaders stoke Muslim-Christian violence - CSMonitor.com


Also, the Lord's Resistance Army has "intensified it's attacks."

UN: 300,000 Congolese displaced by Ugandan rebels - CBS News

LRA rebels kill one and abduct five in W. Equatoria - Sudan Tribune: Plural news and views on Sudan

Since 9/11/01, Jihadists have killed almost THREE TIMES Hitler's amount,

WTF? :eek7:

For 2009, according to http://wits.nctc.gov they killed 9,280 and Christian terrorists killed 1,052.

 

[sennin436]

I hear ya. Blame the US media for this. Part of the problem here (in the US) is that the media fails to report this enough. There's this general impression here in the States that Muslim countries/govts/leaders, etc, aren't doing much in trying to stop the terrorists.

The media is a problem anywhere. But numbers like the 17 THOUSAND Jihad attacks killing roughly 17 MILLION people worldwide since 9/11 is just so far past ridiculous... It makes HITLER look like an AMETEUR...

I mean, what does it take?? What if they kill a Even BILLION people... Will that do it? Far more than we could kill with nukes? What about Half the world's population??? Should we start to get a little concerned then?

SERIOUS fucking measures must be taken... Or you may personally be very sorry one day. (Like when they blow up a plane in the US daily and your children are on it...)

What was really interesting & enlightening about all this, at least for me, was right after Osama was taken out and this BBC (or was it CNN) correspondent was reporting on the situation in Pakistan. He said Al Queda was hated by Americans for obvious reasons (9/11) and a major concern, but the locals in pakistan hated them (Al Queda) even more than us. WTF??!! I sort of did a double-take on that comment. He said that Al Qaeda ruined their (local Pakistanis) lives, killed thousands of ppl - many of them relatives and acquintances - and ruined their livelihood/economy as well. The correspondent said in his years there in the Middle East this sentiment was held by the majority of muslims in the Middle East. They HATED Al Qaeda for the cancer and destruction they've caused and were causing. Assuming that that's all true, the question remains: What exactly are muslims - the religous leaders, the govt leaders, etc - doing to fight this war against Al Qaeda as well as other terrorists? Perhaps someone who has a better grasp of foreign (middle eastern) languages/news media coverage where more iof this is covered could answer this. I sure don't have enough data to go on since I don't have the ability to read non-english news reports.

 

[lukep]

"That could be a TRILLION Murders so far" Run the population numbers since Islam became a religion, good luck making that claim work.

No one can. That's why I said "COULD BE." They kill so many and so much of it was before records were kept... Who knows? Humans may have been on this earth for 10 million years, there is no way to know how long Islam has been terrorizing... For all we know Mankind was larger a million years ago in the middle east than they are today, and were massively slaughtered, all before writing began.

-And don't give me that shit that Muhammad wasn't around a million years ago so Islam couldn't have been... You don't know that was the start of all their evil.

'kept that shit in Europe"? I take it your map lacks Latin America? Missed the day in 3rd grade learning about the whole sale slaughter of the indigenous population, did you?

I have to concede this point; I'd forgotten about the later inquisitions and was only thinking about the medieval and spanish ones.

Please, source your count of 18 million people murdered in the last ten years by Islamic extremists. Otherwise, I get to make shit up too...

I said "almost three times hitler's amount," but I believe it to be higher... Mainly because these numbers are compilied exclusively through media reports (like the BBC and Al Jeezera) so all the Islamic murders that don't get reported for any reason, or aren't a "big enough story" that day to make it to the press, aren't entered into the total number.

Be prepaired to have you socks knocked off:

^This is an official tally of the number of events with deaths.

These deaths are usually explosions that kill many people, and many cases, such as 9/11 and embassy bombings kill large amounts of infidels, so the average number of people dead per attack is in the high hundreds.

You can do a monthly total of all news reports for the month on that site too, and find out that number for each month for the last few months.

In April, there were 907 deaths reported. (We'll leave the much larger number of injured out of this.) You can see every last one of them here.

So, 907 ppl times 17,183 = 15.5 Million Deaths.

As I said, Hitler was an amateur, and this is only the last decade... Meanwhile they've been slaying infidels since as far back as records are kept!

Ever hear of the Treaty of Medina?

No. Nor is it in wikipedia, unless you're talking about the Treaty of Medina del Campo in 1489 where spain's princess was married to England's king. -Neither Islamic. Your point?

 

[lukep]

Terrorism is too BIG of a problem right now, the good muslims can't possibly solve it by themselves, nor should they take the blame.

1. If they can't solve it by themselves then they shouldn't be granted freedom in our world until they do. They have unfinished business.

2. Taking the blame for the attacks is not the same as taking the blame for not cleaning their house. I am not suggesting every muslim get the death sentence.

Like the above poster said, the US has provided high-class training and weaponry to Ben Laden and his troops to fight the Russians. Look what happens now! It's a double-edged sword. It's not the Arab countries that are responsible for making Al Qaeda so powerful. The Talibans were nothing before the CIA trained them!

That argument might be a good one if the CIA trained them 2,000 years ago.

You're basically saying a good and smart Muslim like dr OZ should stop his job (performing 200 critical heart surgeries a year in the US!) and leave his family to go fight terrorists worldwide? Does this make sense to you?

There are other options. He could send his money to an organization back home to fight them.

PS: He's ALWAYS on TV! How the hell could he be performing 200 heart surgeries a year?!?

As you can see from recent news, some Muslim countries are trying their best to get rid of terrorists/extremists in their territory, and remember that serious counter-terrorism efforts only started after 2001, so barely 10 years.

I do not see them doing their best. I see some clerics saying "we cannot condone these attacks" and I see our presidents practically twisting the arms of politicians over there to get them to take actions... I see no fighting over there that matters at all from a resistance, much less a fight that does what it needs to do. Can you show me a serious, unified attack against Islam in the middle east?

The cancer has spread now. It's the world's problem... and America has a bigger part in this than other countries, for obvious reasons.

You really make too big a deal out of Osama's sect. They just got some guns, some moves, and a shitload of press.

Meanwhile the death counts have been stratospheric since the dawn of time from his people. He may have been the Michael Jordan of the Sport of Islam, but he wasn't the only player.

Anyway, it may be too big for them to stop themselves now... At least we agree that it's a huge fucking problem.

If good muslims came out and said publicaly: "Please help us; We know Islam is fucked but we are no longer powerful enough to stop it..." then I'd probably be cool with the president or the UN helping them destroy islam... With some hard-hitting rules; like demolishing mecca, and forsaking that evil, pedophile of a terrorist Mohammad, for instance... Those things are at the core of islam and need to be forgotten about.

 

[Moxie]

^This is an official tally of the number of events with deaths.

These deaths are usually explosions that kill many people, and many cases, such as 9/11 and embassy bombings kill large amounts of infidels, so the average number of people dead per attack is in the high hundreds.

You can do a monthly total of all news reports for the month on that site too, and find out that number for each month for the last few months.

In April, there were 907 deaths reported. (We'll leave the much larger number of injured out of this.) You can see every last one of them here.

So, 907 ppl times 17,183 = 15.5 Million Deaths.

Your own source lists the 907 deaths happening in 152 attacks. This would be about 6 deaths per attack.

1,000 deaths a month would be 12,000 a year, which would translate to 120,000 over ten years.

You would need over 120,000 EACH MONTH for 15.5 million over ten years.

 

[gondreus]

BBC News - Tenerife: British woman beheaded in attack in Canaries
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British woman beheaded in attack in Canaries.
of course no religion mentioned on the report, because the suspect not looks like a muslim, otherwise it will be a different story, no?

 

[jamesc32]

Christians nuked Japan, Christians are responsible for the holocaust, Christians are responsible for apartheid, Christians were behind the Spanish inquisition, Christians trained Osama Bin Laden, Christian drug lords are responsible for over 20,000 murders every year, etc, etc, etc.

A country nuked Japan, not religious fanatics.

A power hungry horrible human being who happened to be Christian was the reason for the holocaust, with the goal of racial purity and actually ruling the world. He wasn't screaming religious slogans when he murdered people, he was pretending it was for the good of Germany and his regime.

Apartheid, yep Christian fanatics.

Spanish inquisition, Catholics, not Christians. There is a difference despite what many Catholics want to believe. However, the catholic church has publicly denounced its actions as being against their teachings and apologized, which is more than most muslim leaders do, and when they do, they reference it being an attack on all muslims as pointed out in a previous post, not on ALL people.

The army trained Osama Bin Laden using government military not some "religious" military that was fighting in the "name" of their religion/God and for the reason of pushing their religion or defending their religion. You need not be Christian to be in the US military.

Hindu, muslim, so-called buddhist, catholic and christian drug lords are responsible for well over that amount every year. Many murders go unreported, and guess what? The murders aren't driven by religion, they are driven by profits.

etc.,etc.,etc...

Your points are irrelevant because you have failed to look at the events as to why each event occurred, how it got started, what the driving force behind each of the events was and is.

You don't have a clue do you?

I don't have time for a history lesson, but you must have missed every book ever written on history.

Honestly, you don't have a clue. You have clearly missed the history of countries like Turkey, and go google the history of the region, starting with the Byzantine Empire.

Islam has ALWAYS been spread through force, including murder, rape, and destruction of many cultures and their artifacts, books and systems.

I'm not defending any particular religion, but if you are going to try to prove your point at least do it with accurate reasoning, facts, and logic.

At the moment, Lukep is wiping the floor with most of you, at least from a debate and logic perspective.

Left this in here mainly because I enjoy it

 

[avatar33]

If good muslims came out and said publicaly: "Please help us; We know Islam is fucked but we are no longer powerful enough to stop it..." then I'd probably be cool with the president or the UN helping them destroy islam... With some hard-hitting rules; like demolishing mecca, and forsaking that evil, pedophile of a terrorist Mohammad, for instance... Those things are at the core of islam and need to be forgotten about.

Man... you're a special case I gotta tell ya. Attacking the religion as a whole is the stupidest thing you could do. It just makes things worse. Imagine the apocalypse if everyone was like you? Do you hear people saying the Bible is fucked up and should be eradicated because of the KKK for example? Last I checked that's one form of Christian extremism (over 5000 reported deaths).

What really bothers me with you is that you target only Muslims. Had you targeted all religions, since they pretty much all have caused millions of deaths at one point or the other, I would have completely understood and we wouldn't be having this debate.

 

[avatar33]

I'm +repping the hell outta him. I hope nobody who is outraged by this thread locks their doors at night. Remember, peace can only be found by blindly trusting everyone who walks the planet. Who cares if they belong to a group that has a large minority of people who are prone to extreme violence -- we don't have the right...it's prejudice to do so.

None of us have the right to feel threatened, or avoid threatening situations because the few bad people on this planet have no chance against all the wishful thinking in this thread.

WTF?

Everything you just said goes completely against what lukep is saying, yet you're +repping him? I'm confused here. Are you just being sarcastic?

 

[IMHopeful]

^^I was in the process of changing that post when you responded, so that's why it's no longer there.

Had you targeted all religions, since they pretty much all have caused millions of deaths at one point or the other, I would have completely understood and we wouldn't be having this debate.

I like to call it Smart. All Religion is evil.

He has already stated that all religion is evil.

WTF?

Everything you just said goes completely against what lukep is saying, yet you're +repping him? I'm confused here. Are you just being sarcastic?

I'm not being sarcastic at all. This thread took a turn when many members took offense to the fact that eliquid shelters his children from dangerous people. Because he referenced muslims...Immediately everyone jumps in claiming it is religious prejudice.

This thread is about muslims beheading people in the name of their religion. So it isn't inappropriate to discuss the potential dangers that religion can present to us and our children (regardless if only a minority of people in that religion are responsible for present day problems.) Although it also been stated that ANY group or person who presents a threat would be treated in the same way.

I'm +repping him because he is at least providing factual evidence as to why he feels the way he does. While the other debaters are crying "racism" or "religious prejudice." I don't believe we should blow them all (Muslims) up but I'm not going to pretend that any fanatical religion isn't a threat to me, or my country. Trust is earned and I mentioned earlier I have a Muslim friend and that his parents are fanatics, with deep-seeded hatred toward this country -- yet live among us as doctors.

ALL religions present a problem and your reference to the KKK earlier is a great example. In fact they've washed themselves of the "skinhead" label and have adapted more of a terrorist approach to their mission (I.e., looking professional, not getting tattoos, working in corporate jobs, etc.) rather than the publicly hateful persona they once used. So while their previous victims may feel safe, they're more likely to get stabbed after getting a smile from their enemy and not see it coming -- just as muslim terrorists would do.

There is no question that other religions participate in terrorism, but the reason muslim terrorists are on everyone's mind is because we never have a moments rest from their threats. The same isn't true of other religions with ties to global terrorism.

 

[clyde]

If good muslims came out and said publicaly: "Please help us; We know Islam is fucked but we are no longer powerful enough to stop it..." then I'd probably be cool with the president or the UN helping them destroy islam... With some hard-hitting rules; like demolishing mecca, and forsaking that evil, pedophile of a terrorist Mohammad, for instance... Those things are at the core of islam and need to be forgotten about.

They have came out,
Wafa Sultan,
British ex-Muslim council
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Magdi Allam
Mithal Al-Alusi
Shaker Al-Nabulsi
Nonie Darwish
Afshin Ellian
Tawfik Hamid
Shahriar Kabir
Hasan Mahmud
Wafa Sultan
Amir Taheri
Ibn Warraq
Manda Zand Ervin
Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi

These people are risking their life daily condemning things that you hate. Surely they deserve some recognition?

ISIS | Center for Inquiry

We need more brave people like this guy, but again, not everybody that denounce Islam can leave for the US.
Muslims are regular people too, with jobs, families etc and saying what this guy just did in an Islamic country would warrant the death sentence.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHq25tnZoFs]YouTube - Son of Hamas Leader: The God of Islam Suffers from Split Personality; Muhammad - a False Prophet[/ame]

 

[IMHopeful]

They have came out,
Wafa Sultan,
British ex-Muslim council
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Magdi Allam
Mithal Al-Alusi
Shaker Al-Nabulsi
Nonie Darwish
Afshin Ellian
Tawfik Hamid
Shahriar Kabir
Hasan Mahmud
Wafa Sultan
Amir Taheri
Ibn Warraq
Manda Zand Ervin
Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi

These people are risking their life daily condemning things that you hate. Surely they deserve some recognition?

ISIS | Center for Inquiry

YouTube - Son of Hamas Leader: The God of Islam Suffers from Split Personality; Muhammad - a False Prophet

+rep for you sir! Now we can't argue that a few brave Muslims haven't asked for help. The terrorists numbers are too large for any small group to have an impact. It's great to have hope, but the simple fact is that we're at their mercy every single day.

I'm positive in almost all aspects of my life, but outcry and pleading videos won't stop terrorism.

 

[clyde]

+rep for you sir! Now we can't argue that a few brave Muslims haven't asked for help. The terrorists numbers are too large for any small group to have an impact. It's great to have hope, but the simple fact is that we're at their mercy every single day.

I'm positive in almost all aspects of my life, but outcry and pleading videos won't stop terrorism.

My pleasure!

FYI, they're not fighting terrorism, they're just fighting Islam.

Only an army can fight another army.

 

[Moxie]

This thread took a turn when many members took offense to the fact that eliquid shelters his children from dangerous people. Because he referenced muslims...Immediately everyone jumps in claiming it is religious prejudice.

He won't "associate with" Muslims and wants to punch them when he sees them. You don't see how this is different than not wanting to let the random mechanic guy down the street babysit your children?

Although it also been stated that ANY group or person who presents a threat would be treated in the same way.

I've pointed out how southern US white males technically present a bigger threat than many other groups. How rational is it to say you won't sit next to one on a bus, or that you are moving to Canada or Finland purely based on reasons of fear?

he is at least providing factual evidence as to why he feels the way he does.

Really? I've mostly only noticed appeals to emotion. He doesn't seem to know if it is 50 or 5,000 people a day that get killed by terrorists and I'm not sure if he realizes how the difference in those two numbers greatly changes the level of risk.

There is no question that other religions participate in terrorism, but the reason muslim terrorists are on everyone's mind is because we never have a moments rest from their threats.

How many people have died in the USA from terrorism since 9/11? How many have died from things that are rarely on most people's minds, such as homicide? How many rapes have happened in the USA since 9/11?

 

[Scalped]

Beheaded

That video is sick. I couldnt watch that urghhhh....

More to the point, yesterday I was out shopping with my gf and we saw loads of policemen and ambulances. Also shit loads of people gathered round.

"Nah, probably an accident of some sort..." I thought to myself....

When we got home, we where told a 28 year old girl had been chased by a "tramp" (for lack of a better word) and had her head chopped off.

he then apparently started running around down the street with her head under his arm as people chased him to kick the shit out of him...

I never saw anything and frankly i dont want to either.

But here is a video of a guys testimonial and I also found this picture...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9SOAhdq9Yw]YouTube - British woman decapitated in Los Cristianos[/ame]

British woman decapitated in Los Cristianos VIDEO

PS: I dont want to detract the thread obviously. But also point out these horrible things can be done by anyone, irrelevant of where they are from or their "beliefs"...

Un Fucking Believable.... urghhh

The murderer was Bulgarian and had "mental issues"....allegedly allegedly

 

[Ar Scion]

FUCKIN PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES DECAPITATE A RETIREE!

TIME TO KILL EVERYBODY WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES!

IF U LOOK AT THE STATS OF THE NUMBER OF CRIMES COMMITTED BY PEOPLE WHO PLEADED TEMPORARY INSANITY, ANXIETY, DEPRESSION OR OTHER MENTAL ILLNESS, ITS MINDBOGGLING!

 

[TigerUK]

there's no story because this issue is much more complicated than muslims just hating on non-muslims, of course the blog doesn't bother letting people know this because it has a pretty obvious agenda to push

yes, the video is fucked up and it's awful that the groups (who aren't known in Thailand at all, most are anonymous) did this, but the Thai army has done a lot of messed up shit to Muslims in the south over the past few decades like loading them into trucks en masse and letting them suffocate, etc etc

if this was a muslims vs. non-muslims issue you'd see shit like this happening a lot more in Malaysia which is 60% muslim 20% buddhist, but you don't because it has much more to do with Thailand and local politics than it does with one religion screwing around with another one

Quoted for truth. That blog is biased, doubt it checks references or gets the full facts before publishishing.

 

[avatar33]

Remind me of this story... you guys probably never heard about it. Had it been a Muslim though, it would still be on the front page today.

Man Decapitated ‘Beheaded’ Aboard Greyhound Bus – Canada – Updates : Homeland Security News

 

[IMHopeful]

Remind me of this story... you guys probably never heard about it. Had it been a Muslim though, it would still be on the front page today.

Man Decapitated ‘Beheaded’ Aboard Greyhound Bus – Canada – Updates : Homeland Security News

Hate to throw fuel on the fire bro:

Is Vince Weiguang Li a Muslim?

He was. He killed the guy cause he is crazy. But he was in fact a Muslim.

The reason it isn't all over the news is because he was thoroughly questioned and assessed -- found to be bat-shit crazy.

 

[avatar33]

Hate to throw fuel on the fire bro:

Is Vince Weiguang Li a Muslim?

He was. He killed the guy cause he is crazy. But he was in the SERPs.

The reason it isn't all over the news is because he was thoroughly questioned and assessed -- found to be bat-shit crazy.

What kind of link is that? There's not even a single credible site in that list.

I spent a year and half in China and I can tell you that that's NOT a muslim-chinese name, at all. He could be, but highly unlikely, especially since he was working at a Catholic Church in Winnipeg!

Vincent Weiguang Li is from Dandong, North-East China (at the border of North Korea). Chinese Muslims come from the complete opposite part of China (Xinjiang). Of course the average guy doesn't know that and believes anything the media says. That's why I keep saying: Travel the world and you'll understand that 90% of what the media is feeding you is bullshit.

Honestly though, why do you all get your news from fucked up websites?