Obama hates Israel...

PJ: you and your babe are at the beach. Dude and his boys are passing by. Dude kicks sand in your face. His boys laugh and call you a fucking pussy.

Who are you going to kick the shit out of?

Me, I'm fighting all of them.

Except in this situation, Israel is the one getting sand kicked on them, but running over to the US saying "big brother, he kicked me, help!"

Israel has nukes and a more advanced military than anyone in the region. They do not need our help. They can buy arms from us, I don't care, but we shouldn't give them free money or weapons when we can't even pay for our own shit.

If your analogy was a guy getting sand kicked in his face on the beach, except he had an AR-15 laying on the towel next to him.

Not. Our. Problem.
 


Why is Israel special?


They're not. But let's see who we give aide to...


AIDS/hungry africans?
M.E. muslims?
jews/israel?


OK, so Africans are still dieing out no matter how many billions of dollars we pour into that shithole. They either starve to death, kill each other, or die of AIDS.

Muslims, do we really need to go over the reasons why we shouldn't give anything to them?

Jews? At least they fucking do something with the money like build a military, infrastructure, and technology.

If you're going to pour money into a country at least give it to someone who is smart and doesn't hate your guts. Ideally, we keep all our money IMO. But if you had to choose, the choice is pretty obvious to me. I'd rather light my money on fire than to give it to a muslim country.
 
So what? The US should avoid any entangling alliances and kick all countries off the US taxpayers tit.

Anyway, the 1967 borders aren't unreasonable. See the map below.

 
Muslims hate everyone who's not a muslim, you act as if they wouldn't hate us with or without our support for Israel. Muslims fucking hate and attack anyone who isn't muslim.

Jews > muslims
Dear sir,

LOL, once again. mainstream media have successful in brainwashing you.
You better read back and study history before posting in this thread again.
because you look liked someone who emotionally posting without thinking. :stonedsmilie:
 
Dear sir,

LOL, once again. mainstream media have successful in brainwashing you.
You better read back and study history before posting in this thread again.
because you look liked someone who emotionally posting without thinking. :stonedsmilie:

Oh there is definitely an emotional part to my opinions. Just like emotions are involved with the opinions you form. Don't like like you don't decide things or take sides in arguments based on emotion. Yes, I like Jews and I generally dislike Muslims. So yes, some emotion plays into my opinion just as it does with anyone else.
 
They're not. But let's see who we give aide to...


AIDS/hungry africans?
M.E. muslims?
jews/israel?


OK, so Africans are still dieing out no matter how many billions of dollars we pour into that shithole. They either starve to death, kill each other, or die of AIDS.

Muslims, do we really need to go over the reasons why we shouldn't give anything to them?

Jews? At least they fucking do something with the money like build a military, infrastructure, and technology.

If you're going to pour money into a country at least give it to someone who is smart and doesn't hate your guts. Ideally, we keep all our money IMO. But if you had to choose, the choice is pretty obvious to me. I'd rather light my money on fire than to give it to a muslim country.

25% of the people in Israel are non-Jewish.

25% in the Palestinian territories are non-Muslim.

In theory, the US doesn't just hand out cash, they have a say in what it gets spent on. Often it is not money being delivered but actual American goods, such as food or weapons.

Countries with mostly Muslim populations are among the biggest recipients of military funding from the US.

United States foreign aid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
GirloftheIsraeliAirForce.jpg

I think I'm in love..

I like jews, they gave us Natalie Portman and pastrami.

There is no answer to the middle east problems though. Even if Israel did everything, completely gave over jerusalem, moved back to the 1967 borders, recognized a palestinian state there would still be the problem of the koran saying "there will come a day when the trees will cry out "there is a jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"" They will just keep attacking. The best thing we can do I guess is not play favorites and just let them deal with it. Israel is a nuclear power and apart from that they have a very good military, probably better than the US but smaller so not as powerful. No one can invade them fereals because they could just nuke them and they are capable of defending themselves otherwise.
 
But if we had to give it to anyone, give it to Israel.

Why the fuck are we giving aid to anyone? Nobody says we "have to". Fuck Israel, fuck Palestine, fuck the Middle East... in fact fuck anybody who wants to freeload off of America. And fuck the politicians who are giving away handouts and letting all this retarded shit happen.

We have enough economic problems here in our own country.

Think of it this way:
If you were behind on your mortgage and credit card payments, would it make any sense for you to give money to your "friend" (who happens to have a job and should be able to take care of himself)?
 
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As far as I can see the US gives Israel around 2 billion in MILITARY aid. Then Israel then just goes ahead and spends that money on purchasing weapons from US arms manufacturers. So the net result is just funneling the US taxpayers money into the pockets of the big arms companies once again.

Oh and then the US taxpayer gets a small share of that money back in corporation taxes :)

I bet that the lobbying is very hard and it is not just coming from Jewish groups.

p.s. Just saw this article and it looks like that's about right - http://www.haaretz.com/news/exclusive-despite-row-u-s-and-israel-sign-massive-arms-deal-1.266650
 
A lot of the lobbying comes from neo-conservatives and christian groups too. Here is a good book about it [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374177724]Amazon.com: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (9780374177720): John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt: Books[/ame]
 
Except in this situation, Israel is the one getting sand kicked on them, but running over to the US saying "big brother, he kicked me, help!"

Israel has nukes and a more advanced military than anyone in the region. They do not need our help. They can buy arms from us, I don't care, but we shouldn't give them free money or weapons when we can't even pay for our own shit.

If your analogy was a guy getting sand kicked in his face on the beach, except he had an AR-15 laying on the towel next to him.

Not. Our. Problem.

Yes it's true the Israeli military are a formidable force. And yes I Do think a lot of these countries should pay for our help -- I'm a capitalist fer christ's sakes!

Israel is our ally, a real ally. Not like others in that region that say they are but would not lift a finger to help us if we needed it. What we get from Israel in terms of intelligence alone is a big help to our global defense.

How can you ignore a freind in a life and death fight? Dude you ain't got my Back?
 
I agree with PapaJohn in that it's none of our business what goes on between Israel in Palestine. If you really want a debate, though, here's my own 2 cents.

This mess laregely started because of international intervention. Namely, the powers that be decided the Jews should have their own state, and that it would consist of parts of Palestine. This is interesting because it's where the Jews were originally from after clearing it out of its inhabitants in Exodus.

Now, for quite a while Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in peace in the Middle East, and it was no different in Palestine/Israel until Zionism took root. Israeli Jews (not necessarily Jews from other countries) tend to look at themselves as being part of a "master race" for lack of a better term, at least according to the Talmud. They are a very racist bunch who can't live side-by-side with Muslims or Christians, so they try and eradicate them.

The Christians have all but fled Palestine and the Muslims are fighting for it. The more they are oppressed, the more violent they become. A move to give them their own state would be beneficial, I think, but Israel wants the whole thing for the Jews specifically. There's also the problem now of Jewish girls marrying Arab men and mixing the race, which is causing outrage in the country. If they live side-by-side, their blood may mix, and that would destroy them.
 
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Israel WILL never ever agree to pre 1967 borders. They are surrounded by countries that want them DEAD.

Hell we rounded up the Japanese in our country - Israel already has 100x's as many Palestinians inside their borders along with the hostility outside their borders.

Makes bad strategic sense for them to give up an inch of ground. America wouldn't do it, nor would you do it with your backyard.

Besides we all know GOD is on Israels side: Introduction - The Miracles of the Six Day War
 
So much foreign policy fail in this thread.



Foreign Aid to a country = Political Sway with that Country

How do you think we got to be so rich?
 
I agree with PapaJohn in that it's none of our business what goes on between Israel in Palestine. If you really want a debate, though, here's my own 2 cents.

This mess laregely started because of international intervention. Namely, the powers that be decided the Jews should have their own state, and that it would consist of parts of Palestine. This is interesting because it's where the Jews were originally from after clearing it out of its inhabitants in Exodus.

Now, for quite a while Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in peace in the Middle East, and it was no different in Palestine/Israel until Zionism took root. Israeli Jews (not necessarily Jews from other countries) tend to look at themselves as being part of a "master race" for lack of a better term, at least according to the Talmud. They are a very racist bunch who can't live side-by-side with Muslims or Christians, so they try and eradicate them.

The Christians have all but fled Palestine and the Muslims are fighting for it. The more they are oppressed, the more violent they become. A move to give them their own state would be beneficial, I think, but Israel wants the whole thing for the Jews specifically. There's also the problem now of Jewish girls marrying Arab men and mixing the race, which is causing outrage in the country. If they live side-by-side, their blood may mix, and that would destroy them.

Sorry dude but you need to read the history of what actually happened.

Yes Jews emigrated to Israel. And they had very good reasons to do so as they were being killed and thrown out of their home countries with practically no possessions and no where to go.

The country was not an Arab country in the first place, it was Turkish ruled for centuries (since the 1500s until 1917) and then British ruled. There were Arabs, Christians and Jews there living peacefully together (albeit with a higher Arab population).

The violence was initiated by the Arabs who were unhappy with the number of Jews coming into "their" country. I can understand their frustration, but at the same time I understand the point of view of the Jews at the time that they are going to stay safe and non-persecuted no matter what. There was no need for violence, but what happened happened and unfortunately for the Arabs in that region they have had to live with the consequences ever since.

This statement:-

"Israeli Jews (not necessarily Jews from other countries) tend to look at themselves as being part of a "master race" for lack of a better term, at least according to the Talmud. They are a very racist bunch who can't live side-by-side with Muslims or Christians, so they try and eradicate them."

is completely ignorant and goes against every historical example of the Jews. Where exactly in the Talmud does it state that the Jews are a "master race"? If you mean "chosen people" then you are taking that term completely out of context and does not mean what you think it means and Jews certainly do not feel superior to others because of it.

Please tell me where in history does it show the Jews (of any country) as being violent and not living peacefully (ruled actually) with almost every nation on earth. So all of a sudden a new type of Jew appeared out of nowhere and decided to kill and steal peoples lands? I don't think so.

From what evidence I can see the Jews felt enough was enough and were going to protect themselves and their families at all costs and never allow what happened during the holocaust ever to happen again. That's why they are perceived now as so aggressive, they are like a dog backed into a corner with everyone around them wanting them annihilated.

I feel awful for the Arab population who are genuinely suffering, but killing more Jews is not the answer to the problem and unfortunately the ones who are in control there think it is. Until that ends then there will be no solution as every land concession that Israel gives just puts the mortars closer to their civilians.

Just my two cents.
 
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So much foreign policy fail in this thread.



Foreign Aid to a country = Political Sway with that Country

How do you think we got to be so rich?

Apparently you are the one who doesn't understand foreign policy.

Obvious Example:
We sent aid to Afghanistan in 1989 to help them fight the Soviets.
Where is our "political sway" now?