Obama hates Israel...

Sorry dude but you need to read the history of what actually happened.

Yes Jews emigrated to Israel. And they had very good reasons to do so as they were being killed and thrown out of their home countries with practically no possessions and no where to go.

The country was not an Arab country in the first place, it was Turkish ruled for centuries (since the 1500s until 1917) and then British ruled. There were Arabs, Christians and Jews there living peacefully together (albeit with a higher Arab population).

The violence was initiated by the Arabs who were unhappy with the number of Jews coming into "their" country. I can understand their frustration, but at the same time I understand the point of view of the Jews at the time that they are going to stay safe and non-persecuted no matter what. There was no need for violence, but what happened happened and unfortunately for the Arabs in that region they have had to live with the consequences ever since.

This statement:-

"Israeli Jews (not necessarily Jews from other countries) tend to look at themselves as being part of a "master race" for lack of a better term, at least according to the Talmud. They are a very racist bunch who can't live side-by-side with Muslims or Christians, so they try and eradicate them."

is completely ignorant and goes against every historical example of the Jews. Where exactly in the Talmud does it state that the Jews are a "master race"? If you mean "chosen people" then you are taking that term completely out of context and does not mean what you think it means and Jews certainly do not feel superior to others because of it.

Please tell me where in history does it show the Jews (of any country) as being violent and not living peacefully (ruled actually) with almost every nation on earth. So all of a sudden a new type of Jew appeared out of nowhere and decided to kill and steal peoples lands? I don't think so.

From what evidence I can see the Jews felt enough was enough and were going to protect themselves and their families at all costs and never allow what happened during the holocaust ever to happen again. That's why they are perceived now as so aggressive, they are like a dog backed into a corner with everyone around them wanting them annihilated.

I feel awful for the Arab population who are genuinely suffering, but killing more Jews is not the answer to the problem and unfortunately the ones who are in control there think it is. Until that ends then there will be no solution as every land concession that Israel gives just puts the mortars closer to their civilians.

Just my two cents.

The Jews did not simply emigrate to Palestine. That's only a part of the truth (your post reeks of bias), because you neglect the fact that there were ideological motives behind the organized emigration of Jews to Palestine post ~1920 which was "supervised" by colonial powers.

And yes, a new type of Jew appeared out of nowhere - the zionist - and decied to steal peoples lands. It's well documented and you'd be naive to think otherwise.

In 1919, the American King-Crane Commission spent six weeks in Syria and Palestine, interviewing delegations and reading petitions. Their report stated, “The commissioners began their study of Zionism with minds predisposed in its favor...The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission’s conferences with Jewish representatives that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, by various forms of purchase...

The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
 


The Jews did not simply emigrate to Palestine. That's only a part of the truth (your post reeks of bias), because you neglect the fact that there were ideological motives behind the organized emigration of Jews to Palestine post ~1920 which was "supervised" by colonial powers.

And yes, a new type of Jew appeared out of nowhere - the zionist - and decied to steal peoples lands. It's well documented and you'd be naive to think otherwise.

My post reeks of bias? I am just stating the facts of the situation not taking one side over the other. What have I said that is not a fact?

Zionism is not some type of conspiracy it is an open desire for Jews to get away from antisemitism and self-govern, which is pretty much exactly what I said.

Do I wholly agree with it? No
Do I understand it? Yes

And when it comes to stealing land I am not going to even dignify that with a response as you need to read the history and not the rhetoric before you can start to debate that issue, even in your own post it states "by various forms of purchase", which of course is quoted from a lovely unbiased source :)



Great source there mate, very unbiased as well :)

When I was talking about the history I obviously meant prior to the current problems.
 
My post reeks of bias? I am just stating the facts of the situation not taking one side over the other. What have I said that is not a fact?

Once again, you're only stating some facts, and not the entire truth. Like I wrote in my previous post: "That's only a part of the truth."

Zionism is not some type of conspiracy it is an open desire for Jews to get away from antisemitism and self-govern, which is pretty much exactly what I said.

Do I wholly agree with it? No
Do I understand it? Yes

The emigration was ideologically motivated. You do not mention this, and you barely acknowledge the problematic nature of Zionism in practicality. The purpose of the emigration of Jews after the Balfour declaration was to establish a Jewish nation on already inhabited land. How would one go about doing this without violence? The resistance of the Palestinians was highly justifiable.

From the same source:

“Even if nobody lost their land, the [Zionist] program was unjust in principle because it denied majority political rights... Zionism, in principle, could not allow the natives to exercise their political rights because it would mean the end of the Zionist enterprise.” Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, “Original Sins.

And when it comes to stealing land I am not going to even dignify that with a response as you need to read the history and not the rhetoric before you can start to debate that issue, even in your own post it states "by various forms of purchase", which of course is quoted from a lovely unbiased source :).

I've read the history.

The quote I provied you with is sourced. And not only are the authours of the sourced book on the website itself, Jewish, but so are the authors of the website as well.

Why do you believe it's biased?
 
every land concession that Israel gives just puts the mortars closer to their civilians.

Look at the map. The older borders might give them new targets, but the Palestinians already have enough locations to launch all the mortar attacks that they want.

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Zionism is not some type of conspiracy it is an open desire for Jews to get away from antisemitism and self-govern,

Settlements continue to be built where you would if you were trying to stir up antisemitism, not what you would do if you wanted to avoid it.

Look at the settler woman in part 2. She makes it pretty clear she is on a mission to take over land and it doesn't matter if doing so makes her life more stressful or gets people killed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWkP3b-7wbI]YouTube - ‪60 Minutes (ISREAL & PALESTINE)part 1‬‏[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDfWbvKLiY]YouTube - ‪60 Minutes (ISREAL & PALESTINE)part 2‬‏[/ame]



"The Palestinians are virtually in like a concentration camp." - Ron Paul

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gTWqWrI4M]YouTube - ‪Ron Paul on Gaza 1-3-09‬‏[/ame]
 
The emigration was ideologically motivated. You do not mention this, and you barely acknowledge the problematic nature of Zionism in practicality.

Many interpret Zionism differently and it is Nicksters right to do so.

However, I agree with you. At its root its just a state built on bullshit religious rhetoric and in the end its no better than Iran.

I shouldn't be in this thread, laters.
 
first post: obamana hates is ra el? (google it) i dont think so, he thinks he is of the first tribe of is ra el (do it), the first people on earth or whatever, it give them no right to rule the earth and the means to destroy it, i think people are millions of years old, (forbidden archeology michael a. cremo) so what dose it matter. You see that hot chick's veins in her eye, in the gun scope? Freaky!
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The Israel army is a bunch of faggots and horny chicks, their so called powerful military forces myth disappeared in 2006 when 1000 hezbollah guys kicked their ass, without tanks, jet fighters or satellites.

They can't even take care of the Hamas, a buch of starving guys in Gaza...

The best of Israel is in the past, the future looks very depressing for them, in fact I think they have been shitting in their pants since then..
 
"The Palestinians are virtually in like a concentration camp." - Ron Paul

I didn't know Ron Paul said that, well now I know he really has no chance to get elected
 
As i said previously, I do not agree with Zionism. And yes there are fundamentalist nut jobs on both sides. But the question is what can be done about the current situation? What is the solution to the problem that doesn't end in an all out war or the extermination of one group of peoples? Because it is clear that land concessions just bring about bloodshed. Hamas are not interested in moving to the 1967 borders and will never be satisfied with that, and will start shelling from the border if they got it, so what is the point? What would you do if you were in their positions?
 
The quote I provied you with is sourced. And not only are the authours of the sourced book on the website itself, Jewish, but so are the authors of the website as well.

Why do you believe it's biased?

Dude the website is a conspiracy theory nut job site and highly racist. Don't believe me? Just took a random link from the homepage Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies

Why does it matter that the article was written by a Jew? Strange logic.
 
As i said previously, I do not agree with Zionism. And yes there are fundamentalist nut jobs on both sides. But the question is what can be done about the current situation? What is the solution to the problem that doesn't end in an all out war or the extermination of one group of peoples? Because it is clear that land concessions just bring about bloodshed. Hamas are not interested in moving to the 1967 borders and will never be satisfied with that, and will start shelling from the border if they got it, so what is the point? What would you do if you were in their positions?

Many think it will eventually end up like South Africa. In the end, become one state.
 
Dude the website is a conspiracy theory nut job site and highly racist. Don't believe me? Just took a random link from the homepage Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies

Why does it matter that the article was written by a Jew? Strange logic.

Sorry I just noticed that that link was from the site source from the other guy.

The site you sourced is highly biased as well, everything is anti-Israel slanted on there with not one objective article. Also link to the source of the article is to a non-existent domain. Not sure what you think biased means.
 
As i said previously, I do not agree with Zionism. And yes there are fundamentalist nut jobs on both sides. But the question is what can be done about the current situation? What is the solution to the problem that doesn't end in an all out war or the extermination of one group of peoples? Because it is clear that land concessions just bring about bloodshed. Hamas are not interested in moving to the 1967 borders and will never be satisfied with that, and will start shelling from the border if they got it, so what is the point? What would you do if you were in their positions?

I believe that Hamas would lose a lot of support if the 1967 borders became a reality (if they maintain an anti-Israel policy). And I also think most people want the same things in life, i.e. peace, love, prosperity and happiness, Palestinians included.

Obviously the 1967 borders will not be enough for some Palestinians, just like it won't be enough for some Israelis. All I know though is that the current status quo is not the best solution for the region (and the world as well).

I think the current Israeli gov. benefits from the status quo as the resistance from the Palestinians (often manifested in suicide bombings) gives them a reason to justify the occupation.
 
Sorry I just noticed that that link was from the site source from the other guy.

The site you sourced is highly biased as well, everything is anti-Israel slanted on there with not one objective article. Also link to the source of the article is to a non-existent domain. Not sure what you think biased means.

Please then, show me what you consider to be an unbiased source of the conflict.

And which link are you talking about? The source on the site is not a link as far as I can see. Quoted in “The Israel-Arab Reader” ed. Laquer and Rubin. It's a book.
 
I believe that Hamas would lose a lot of support if the 1967 borders became a reality. And I also think most people want the same things in life, i.e. peace, love, prosperity and happiness, Palestinians included.

Obviously the 1967 borders will not be enough for some Palestinians, just like it won't be enough for some Israelis. All I know though is that the current status quo is not the best solution for the region (and the world as well).

I think the current Israeli gov. benefits from the status quo as the resistance from the Palestinians (often manifested in suicide bombings) gives them a reason to justify the occupation.

What nation is going to allow the shelling of their own citizens for the sake of lessening support of their enemies? Would the US?
 
who cares, Israel can defend itself, their problems are not our problems. why do people care so damn much about this?

Exactly.... The Jewish state has a military that is at least as good as ours if not better in some areas. Plus they are a tenacious bunch of folks.

What gets me is why the US has such a love and nanny complex for Isreal.
 

Yes, an article that ends in "[SIZE=+1]Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out."
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Is obviously 100% unbiased and definitely not anti-semetic. At least there was a source for each incident on that list, oh wait - there wasn't a single one. Well at least it was written in an unbiased and journalistic matter. Wait, it wasn't (phrases like "[SIZE=+1]destroyed a peaceful Iraqi nuclear reactor" [/SIZE]are biased as they seek to subjectively qualify the type of reactor). Well, at least it came from a reputable site. Oh wait, it came from a site that's sole purpose is to bash jews/israel...

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