Question About Corporate SEO Salary

So here's the deal. I work a 9-5 as an in-house SEO/internet marketing guy. I am the only one on my team (currently) who "gets" SEO/IM.

To answer your question about salary, it really depends on the company and where you live. Obviously, if you live in a major metro, the salary is going to be a lot different than if you live in some small town. I strongly recommend looking at http://www.glassdoor.com to find out what the average salary is for similar positions in your area. If you are just starting out in the corporate world, they will try to low ball you. If you can make it look on your resume that you have years of experience, obviously you will demand a higher salary.

The benefits of the corporate gig are:

1) Guaranteed salary and benefits. This is huge for me, my job has amazing benefits (insurance and 401k). I have a nice chunk of retirement money saved up and I'm still relatively young. The guaranteed check every 2 weeks is also nice. I know what I'm going to make.

2) Potential for career growth. SEO is great and all, but there is so much more potential for learning marketing. I've learned a lot in regards to media buying (both online and offline), direct response, print, etc. I am a much more well-rounded marketer than when I started.

3) Don't have to hustle (at least not as hard as affiliate/freelancing). You pretty much work at your own pace. Granted, you can get bosses who are assholes, but for the most part, I fuck around on the web for the better part of the week, and even do some client work/work on my own sites while at work.

4) Work on some cool shit. I am transitioning my career to an ad agency which has some major clients. Clients I never would be able to land while freelancing. These guys are designing amazing sites, mobile apps, etc for huge brands. It is pretty amazing to work on such a large project with a team that knows their shit. And to be able to tell your friends/people you meet 'Yeah, I made that shit'

5) Building a resume. You might start out small, but you will work your way up over time.

Now for the cons.

1) You will work with assholes. Obviously they won't come out and say it in the interview, but every work environment will have a couple of people that you won't get along with. They either won't understand SEO and will try to tell you what to do, they will be generally incompetent, or they might just be a flat out shithead. This is probably the worst part about working a corporate gig. You can't really control who you work with. The best advice I can give is talk to as many people who work there as possible to try and get a feel for the corporate culture.

2) Lack of freedom. This really depends where you work. Have a great idea for one of the company sites? Great! Now you just have to run it past your boss, and he runs it past his boss, who may or may not understand WTF is going on. You may have the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want, when in other cases you have to go through a process of approvals, of which one of those people higher up is likely to steal your idea and take credit for it at some point. Again, get an idea of the corporate culture and how much freedom your job would allow during interviews.

3) You spend a good amount of your life inside a fucking office. This sucks. Nice day out? Too fucking bad. You're stuck in your cubicle. Commuting can also suck depending on how far away you are from work and traffic.

Anyway, there's probably a lot more that I missed. But I hope I could clear some things up for you. If you do decide to go the corporate route, just make sure that the company is a good fit for you, personality wise and skill wise.



I appreciate your thoughts on this. A lot of those issues are certainly concerns of mine.

I'm currently at a Web design/marketing agency, where I manage 3 college aged guys on our "SEO Team". I have complete and total control over all what we do, and our department brings in more revenue than all other departments combined. So they definitely understand the value I bring to the table there. We're just a small company, and I'm pretty sure that I'm near the earnings ceiling for my position, according to the owners.

With the corporate place, there's no way I'll have that much freedom, nor will I have anyone working with me, at least not at the beginning, which I'm really ok with honestly. I'd be working for the 1 client instead of the 20 that I currently have. Way less people pleasing in my opinion. I know a girl who works on the web dev team at the corp, and she said it is surprisingly laid back, which gives me a ray of hope.

The place I live is in a pretty small (pop. 150,000), but just so happens the corp headquarters are here. So, I'm definitely expecting to be lowballed. I'll just have to play the game and see what they offer. Or maybe I should throw out a high number from the get go.

I've got a second interview next week, and I'm pretty much the only person being considered for the position. Hopefully we'll talk financials this time around and I can get a clearer picture of what they're willing to pay.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

I'll be sure to let you know what happens if you're interested.
 


I appreciate your thoughts on this. A lot of those issues are certainly concerns of mine.

I'm currently at a Web design/marketing agency, where I manage 3 college aged guys on our "SEO Team". I have complete and total control over all what we do, and our department brings in more revenue than all other departments combined. So they definitely understand the value I bring to the table there. We're just a small company, and I'm pretty sure that I'm near the earnings ceiling for my position, according to the owners.

With the corporate place, there's no way I'll have that much freedom, nor will I have anyone working with me, at least not at the beginning, which I'm really ok with honestly. I'd be working for the 1 client instead of the 20 that I currently have. Way less people pleasing in my opinion. I know a girl who works on the web dev team at the corp, and she said it is surprisingly laid back, which gives me a ray of hope.

The place I live is in a pretty small (pop. 150,000), but just so happens the corp headquarters are here. So, I'm definitely expecting to be lowballed. I'll just have to play the game and see what they offer. Or maybe I should throw out a high number from the get go.

I've got a second interview next week, and I'm pretty much the only person being considered for the position. Hopefully we'll talk financials this time around and I can get a clearer picture of what they're willing to pay.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

I'll be sure to let you know what happens if you're interested.

I'd definitely like to know what kind of offer they give you. Also do you have a college degree? If so, which? Just curious as to what corporations are looking for.
 
I'd definitely like to know what kind of offer they give you. Also do you have a college degree? If so, which? Just curious as to what corporations are looking for.

Yeah. I've got a business admin degree. i'll be sure to post some info about their offer.
 
never understood why an seo would get into a 9-5 job.

If you work hard you can make money money from affiliate gigs than you would in a 9-5 job.

I'm making around 45K from my seo'd sites which isn't a lot. But goddamn, I get to run my own shit, and have a lot more freedom and independance.

I actually started of doing the 30 day challenge, and then got an SEO job, I thought I'd learn so much advanced stuff and have access to knowledge and shit.. It turned out the people who do seo 9-5 are clueless. They thought I was a genius, but my knowledge was so basic.

I hated the lack of freedom having to be at the office at a fixed time and leave at a ficed time, and In wasn't doing anything different for a company that I would be doing for myself.. Except for the extra work. A lot of the time I spent creating reports to people, doing free teaser consultations which most of the time did not convert into a paid contract, so you're working for free.. Plus the biggest bitch was having to deal with clients who want to know why they're not #1 for "windows laptops" after 2 months.


My problem is I have no self control, with no boss standing over me I just do 1 or 2 hours of work a day and sleep/play video games the rest of the day.

So now I have all my old income, plus my extra salary. Plus I now live in a pretty cool city.
 
Wow. Time flies. It's been a while since I visited this forum. Totally forgot I was going to report back on what happened here.

Well, I ended up getting offered 60k to take an SEO/Web Analytics position, and I ended up taking it. It wasn't great money, but definitely a step up compared to where I was (small town agency). Plus the benefits are way better (that is they actually exist).

For those making the argument that work from home > corporate life, you may be right. I certainly deal with my fair share of bullshit here. But stability was a big selling point for me.

Funny thing about all this is, I no longer do SEO. I've moved into a higher level MGMT position in the company, and I have a team of 2 under me doing all the SEO.

I'm now first in line for an Executive Director position in E-commerce, which should have me making more than double what I started at less than 2 tears ago. I never thought this would be where I'd end up, but the talent pool within this company is minimal, so I come off as a web genius to damn near every one in the building. It's pretty nice to not have anyone question your choices on a day to day basis, yet work in the corporate environment.

All in all, it was the right move for me.
 
Good for you OP.

Everyone will find their own happiness in different avenues.

At the end of the day it's not really about the money. In our field, you can make a great income whether you work for yourself or for a corp. Doesn't really matter all that much. It's all about whether you're happy doing what you do and whether you still have time to enjoy life/friends/family/traveling, etc...

A lot of IM guys make 6-7 figures working in their basement but spend 14 hours a day in front of the computer, have zero social life and are totally unhealthy both physically and mentally. Others work 9 to 5s for a measly 50k but have an active social life, family, tons of friends and have time (or make time?) to hit the gym and go on vacations with their family/friends on a regular basis. Which one is truly enjoying life you think?
 
^ I honestly do not give a crap how much you make or if you're management (don't take it personal bro). The corporate world is full of douchebags who annoy the hell out of you only because they know they'll get away with it in a corporate setting. After all you can't just get up and punch the retard in the mouth the 6th time he makes his loud 'signature' sound or go to joke. That shit is living hell. I've had two jobs, both part time as an SEO. Both places were cool and had few shitheads. My first SEO management job I quit within a week because the shithead and douchebag count was off the scale. Horrible. Good money yes, more than 90% of my age people made, but no way in hell was I going to indulge in the sociopathic shitfest that is a large corporation. I shudder just thinking about it.
 
Good for you OP.

Everyone will find their own happiness in different avenues.

At the end of the day it's not really about the money. In our field, you can make a great income whether you work for yourself or for a corp. Doesn't really matter all that much. It's all about whether you're happy doing what you do and whether you still have time to enjoy life/friends/family/traveling, etc...

A lot of IM guys make 6-7 figures working in their basement but spend 14 hours a day in front of the computer, have zero social life and are totally unhealthy both physically and mentally. Others work 9 to 5s for a measly 50k but have an active social life, family, tons of friends and have time (or make time?) to hit the gym and go on vacations with their family/friends on a regular basis. Which one is truly enjoying life you think?

Totally agree. Do what makes you happy.
 
I would never want an office job again but for some people the money and security are worth it.

lol wut security lol

The benefits of the corporate gig are:

1) Guaranteed salary and benefits. This is huge for me, my job has amazing benefits (insurance and 401k). I have a nice chunk of retirement money saved up and I'm still relatively young. The guaranteed check every 2 weeks is also nice. I know what I'm going to make.

2) Potential for career growth. SEO is great and all, but there is so much more potential for learning marketing. I've learned a lot in regards to media buying (both online and offline), direct response, print, etc. I am a much more well-rounded marketer than when I started.

5) Building a resume. You might start out small, but you will work your way up over time.
1. thinking you have a gar. salary and "benefits" is stupid. you dont
2. fastes way to grow you career is to leave
5. future employers dont care about a resume, trust me on this

Plus the benefits are way better (that is they actually exist).
when you actually look at your "benefits" you will realize you could have had them all along no matter where you were at, for probably cheaper.

Never understood how a 9 to 5 is secure.
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I dont understand why people feel secure when someone else is in control of their next pay check.
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Why can I say all this? I've worked in the digital world for over 17 years, 13 of which have been in marketing as both a consultant and an employee for large and small agencies/companies ranging from b2b and b2c markets
 
Before I took this job I was more than willing to make a blanket statement about corporate life being shitty, which is true the majority of the time.

I feel pretty lucky to be where I am, though. It's actually a privately held company that happens to have a corporate structure. The culture here is very laid back in my opinion.

Who knows though, I've only been here for just under 2 years. I may lose my shit and move on if things take a turn for the worse.
 
Consider that working for a big profitable company also opens channels of introduction (ie, opportunity) that aren't normally be open to free lancers - at all.

I think there's an opportunity cost for anyone who doesn't spend a few years working in a corporate environment. Connections made working at CS First Boston and Morgan Stanley years ago still pay off for me today, the perspective never hurt - and all the while the den-of-inequity culture sucked balls (and by all accounts only got worse).
 
If you can get the following:

- High salary
- Great benefits
- Flexible hours (no forced 9 to 5 bullshit)
- 4+ weeks vacation (or 2-3 weeks but option to work remotely a couple weeks a year)
- Stress-free atmosphere with no boss shitting on you every day.
- Promising company that provides products/services you actually believe in (that's a tough one)

I say go for it without hesitation! You'd probably have a better life than grinding in your basement solo with very little access to the outside world. Problem is it's really hard to have all those components in North America today.

I only know 1 guy that did it. He moved to Switzerland to work for a non-profit (in their IT department) that helps people with AIDS in 3rd world countries. $130k NET/Tax-Free salary + 6 weeks off + 1 trip to his home country paid every year + all benefits + that feeling that you're doing something that helps the world = priceless.
 
It's not the 'job' that is the problem it is working for a 'corporation' particularly a large one.

Small biz and upstart biz are usually great to work in, no room for timewasters and douches, but when a company grows, professional assholes and good for nothings fill up the bureaucracy slots and culture changes to where you don't know half the people in your office.

Plus, strict 9-5 is simply just an outdated way of work. Only those who can't prove production except for number of hours prefer working like that. I had it very good in my first SEO/digital agency job. Could come and go as I pleased pretty much. Usually worked 2.5 days a weak on an hourly salaray.

Part time office work is great, full time is death. You think you've grown close to those co-workers? If you quit or get fired, one week later, you're practically forgotten. I've seen it happen several times. There is no loyalty towards you in a corporate enviroment.
 
The security you used to have when you were making mad bank in IM while holding down a day job you barely did. Remember?

Mad Bank, yes

Held Job, yes

Did I ever say I was there because I felt it would be there forever as a gar. paycheck ( security ), no

You can hold a job while knowing its not secure. I've been in 3 corporate positions in my life with either I or my department was laid off. 3 times. One of the companies that has me under contract right now, just laid off around 15 people in the last 4 days and several of those people worked in a department where the whole department was let go without notice. None of them caused the dilemma there are in now. Holding a job is no more secure then being a freelancer, however sometimes the money is better or EASIER to get by holding a job then by being a freelancer/self employed. It is by no means more secure.

Don't get your panties in a bunch guerilla just because someone points something out to you they do not agree with. You like to make stances on points in the forum, but when someone takes a different stance you view it as a personal attack, thus pointing out something from the past and twisting it in a round about way.